There is a healthy middle-ground between porn-fap and no-fap

And vegetarianism turned into veganism. Thin end of the wedge. No thanks.

You can also fap a little, but don't go off. Just learn to edge, and stop before the point of no return. Lots of Taoist info on that.

Another option is to watch healthy vids of women dancing on youtube etc. This is better than all that deep dark porno stuff.

Compromises never stop at compromise. That's one thing I've learned about you. And attempt to apply these standards to others, especially if they are rich, and you get called a fanatic and jealous. Again, no thanks.

That does sound sensible, OP.

Ubiquitous net porn is really like a drug. People are, if not hooked, accustomed to it to the point of using it to get themselves aroused when they even aren't in the mood to begin with. It's like "Hey, I haven't jacked off today. I've better get on with it...". It's become like an compulsory routine.

Everything about this is compulsory. Fences around fences around fences. It's made some people rich and others mean.

You know nothing about me. I've been doing middle-ground-no- fap for about 18 months. I never pushed anyone to do anything. I made a suggestion in a thread about nofap.

Alright, Bye!

Collective 'you' because this is collectivism. It means some are allowed to be pimps and others forced to act like saints. No thanks.

That healthy middle ground is called having sex with your female wife.

Dumbasses.

Dumbass. You can masturbate with/to your wife, too.

In the old days ya had to wait till ya found a mag in the woods.

Or...you can stop smuggling religious concepts into psychology and physiology as though Europeans were Asians, Africans, and Middle Easterners.

This is how most people did it before internet porn

Pictures out of the Sears catalogue were condemned just as harshly by my parents as you are condemning nudies. It's only a thing because it makes some rabbis rich. If you want the 19th Century back, feel free to roll the clock back to zero. Not gonna cage my loins for the sake of people who give pimps a free pass.

Thanks for clarifying the female there.

You have to these days because some dumbass think I'm talking about his gay live in.

I was thinking prison wife.

Back on topic, Mantak Chia is one of the original nofappers.

[link to www.mantakchia.com (secure)]

Land of milk and honey.

Honey from the female.
Milk from the male.
Or it can be the pituitary/pineal secretions. (secret)

Draw it up the spine, circulate it, and use it to see paradise in meditations.

No one has to be 100% no fap, just careful with it. Using Taoist retention methods you could screw 10 times a day, and still meditate at night.

The sex organs are an invaluable resource for little brown people with crystal balls to get into people's heads by inventing sins and curses which have no basis in reality. It makes it acceptable for that princess from Dubai to be kidnapped and held against her will, and that's pretty much the point. But I'm sure he's done someone a favor so how he treats his human property is kosher, while my using porno is not. Sounds like bullshit to me.

I think that's OP's point.

Most of life is about a healthy middle-ground.

And most of culture is negotiations between rich people over how to define 'healthy' that season in a way that exclusively benefits their interests.

Actually one of the wisest posts ever written at GLP.