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Want to Plant the Ultimate Survival Garden This Spring? You Better Start Planning Right Now

 
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SO I HAVE A GRASS BACKYARD AND WANT TO USE A PORTION OF IT TO GROW FOOD, WHAT TOOLS DO I NEED TO TEAR UP THE GRASS
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That is sod, Hon. It will be too hard to bust up for a lady.
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If you are 16-48 years old and that homestead isn't very big, you might be able to rear tine tiller it. But I wouldn't. You don't know what you are getting into. It may be too much for you.

It is better to pay someone to bust sod the first time especially in clay soil or if some neighbor says they have field stone. Eventually you likely will buy equipment and that is a good investment. If there are lots of homesteads out there, someone is doing sod busting as a business, right?

A 16-36 years old in good shape can double dig by hand and doing sections at a time. Better have some naproxen and good leather gloves. That is not a job for wimps and you have to have a sturdy cart as you moving earth from row to row.
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LOL or just determined. I have invasive grass species and do it by hand every year and I am over 60 female 125lbs. I put the rolls on a sled and pull it around.
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A step by step illustration of double spading and forming beds.

This is the ideal time to add soil amenities.

At the end of the gardening season with a new garden, you plant some green manure crop like buckwheat, and till that under. That has many benefits to root growth, enriches the soil, adds decaying matter, encourages worms, etc.
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re-read the "time to get in shape" post, it is hard work. :)
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If you are 16-48 years old and that homestead isn't very big, you might be able to rear tine tiller it. But I wouldn't. You don't know what you are getting into. It may be too much for you.

It is better to pay someone to bust sod the first time especially in clay soil or if some neighbor says they have field stone. Eventually you likely will buy equipment and that is a good investment. If there are lots of homesteads out there, someone is doing sod busting as a business, right?

A 16-36 years old in good shape can double dig by hand and doing sections at a time. Better have some naproxen and good leather gloves. That is not a job for wimps and you have to have a sturdy cart as you moving earth from row to row.
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LOL or just determined. I have invasive grass species and do it by hand every year and I am over 60 female 125lbs. I put the rolls on a sled and pull it around.
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Are you cute, sweet, and can cook? If so, you sound like a winner.
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If you are 16-48 years old and that homestead isn't very big, you might be able to rear tine tiller it. But I wouldn't. You don't know what you are getting into. It may be too much for you.

It is better to pay someone to bust sod the first time especially in clay soil or if some neighbor says they have field stone. Eventually you likely will buy equipment and that is a good investment. If there are lots of homesteads out there, someone is doing sod busting as a business, right?

A 16-36 years old in good shape can double dig by hand and doing sections at a time. Better have some naproxen and good leather gloves. That is not a job for wimps and you have to have a sturdy cart as you moving earth from row to row.
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LOL or just determined. I have invasive grass species and do it by hand every year and I am over 60 female 125lbs. I put the rolls on a sled and pull it around.
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PS, my garden is about an acre. It can be done, I did the entire acre by hand with a shovel, rolling up the sod. There is always more to do each year to maintain it and work in new areas, the paths and around resting crop spaces. I can do a 20ft x 20ft area in half a day without much pain.
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If you choose to till it yourself do it early on a sunny day to kill most of the grass. Just let it sit after tilling than the next day do the same again. It really depends on what your wallet and back can afford to do.
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I am excited and happy for spring, getting my plants started, plowing, planting and all that. It is also nice to chat with the other self reliant glps this time of year. Over the many years we have learned a lot from each other and shared our experiences, good and bad.
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Me too almost morel season, love morel mushrooms
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Anyone here winter sowing seed? My first time and I have jugs going already. It was in the 30's here last night but I want to get my tomatoes and peppers out in my jugs anyway.
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If you are 16-48 years old and that homestead isn't very big, you might be able to rear tine tiller it. But I wouldn't. You don't know what you are getting into. It may be too much for you.

It is better to pay someone to bust sod the first time especially in clay soil or if some neighbor says they have field stone. Eventually you likely will buy equipment and that is a good investment. If there are lots of homesteads out there, someone is doing sod busting as a business, right?

A 16-36 years old in good shape can double dig by hand and doing sections at a time. Better have some naproxen and good leather gloves. That is not a job for wimps and you have to have a sturdy cart as you moving earth from row to row.
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LOL or just determined. I have invasive grass species and do it by hand every year and I am over 60 female 125lbs. I put the rolls on a sled and pull it around.
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PS, my garden is about an acre. It can be done, I did the entire acre by hand with a shovel, rolling up the sod. There is always more to do each year to maintain it and work in new areas, the paths and around resting crop spaces. I can do a 20ft x 20ft area in half a day without much pain.
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SO I HAVE A GRASS BACKYARD AND WANT TO USE A PORTION OF IT TO GROW FOOD, WHAT TOOLS DO I NEED TO TEAR UP THE GRASS
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That’s is what I did, used a shovel. Leveled the soils and put bricks down. And leveled them. You could use the hay bail method and use the bails as border and fill,with dirt for the bed, you can als make raised beds with wood , and maybe some railroad ties, don’t take em from the railroad. Buy em.lots of plans on line
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SO I HAVE A GRASS BACKYARD AND WANT TO USE A PORTION OF IT TO GROW FOOD, WHAT TOOLS DO I NEED TO TEAR UP THE GRASS
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That is sod, Hon. It will be too hard to bust up for a lady.
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THAT IS WHAT I HAVE TO DO
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SO I HAVE A GRASS BACKYARD AND WANT TO USE A PORTION OF IT TO GROW FOOD, WHAT TOOLS DO I NEED TO TEAR UP THE GRASS
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That’s is what I did, used a shovel. Leveled the soils and put bricks down. And leveled them. You could use the hay bail method and use the bails as border and fill,with dirt for the bed, you can als make raised beds with wood , and maybe some railroad ties, don’t take em from the railroad. Buy em.lots of plans on line
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i think i will do the raised bed thing
i saw a local guy that makes them and other things
and it was only like 50 to 75 for a big size raised bed thing already made
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For folks where it's still too cold, you can lay a black tarp on the ground to warm it up and kill off grasses before spading it up. Generally you do that over winter.

A cloche is a French idea where you take wire hoops covered in clear plastic and that row then stays much warmer than normal so you early jump on growing and come autumn you do the same thing to extend the season.

It's subtropical here with mild winters. We only have one real snowfall of 6" more or less and usualy late in February. That means an early spring, summer, and a warm autumn that finally gets cool mid October to early November. So that is an unusually long growing season.

20'*20' per day double digging is a respectable amount.
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The soil is a tad wet here, but maybe in a couple days put in peas and spinach. Cabbage family plants in the ground by March 15. Usually April 15 for summer crops like tomatoes and peppers.

Ask local gardeners based on your zone. It may seem arm enough but many new plants are not hardy and a frost might get them. The length of sunlight is not long enough for growth.

With a cloche you can slowly harden them to the temperature swings. In summers you take the cloches down as otherwise they would bolt ie go to seed.
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Planning started last fall. The seeding started this week. Planting starts next month.
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
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SO I HAVE A GRASS BACKYARD AND WANT TO USE A PORTION OF IT TO GROW FOOD, WHAT TOOLS DO I NEED TO TEAR UP THE GRASS
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That’s is what I did, used a shovel. Leveled the soils and put bricks down. And leveled them. You could use the hay bail method and use the bails as border and fill,with dirt for the bed, you can als make raised beds with wood , and maybe some railroad ties, don’t take em from the railroad. Buy em.lots of plans on line
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i think i will do the raised bed thing
i saw a local guy that makes them and other things
and it was only like 50 to 75 for a big size raised bed thing already made
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If you do raised beds than you can put cardboard down over the grass inside the frame than add your soil, compost,etc.
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SO I HAVE A GRASS BACKYARD AND WANT TO USE A PORTION OF IT TO GROW FOOD, WHAT TOOLS DO I NEED TO TEAR UP THE GRASS
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That is sod, Hon. It will be too hard to bust up for a lady.
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THAT IS WHAT I HAVE TO DO
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Get yourself a shovel and dig your garden down about a foot, then rent a tiller and till it all up as deep as possible. Cover it with weed barrier and plant seeds that can grow through holes in your weed barrier. Without weed barrier, you will have a lawn again pretty quick. planting tomatoes or other plants that you get in small pots works great.
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
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I have onions going. Here in Maine its a bit early to be starting seedlings. We've a small greenhouse or two to put over them so we can put them out a bit earlier than mid May.
Goal for the summer is to build a walipini for the winter growing. Besides that we have large quantities of Cicken manure that has been composting and a few raised beds that will be multiplying over the summer. We're clearing out land here and doing our best. Last years garden did well, and the goal is to do 4x as much this year.
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Many Americans don't actually have a lawn of fescue, but a meadow that is mowed. Big difference. If in a suburb,likely sod was placed. If in a city, you likely have a trimmed meadow.

This is why as it grows, many wild edibles are in your yard. A black tarp absorbs sunlight and bakes that soil and thus kills whatever is there and it gets spindly and kills weed seeds.

Fescue or any wild grasses bolt easily when allowed to grow. Humans have lived on grass seed because of this and certain ones were cultivated like rye. You never eat any grass seed with black rust on it as that is dangerous ergot.

By all means get a wild edible book and likely east of the Mississippi River you probably have Common plantain brought over from Europe as soldier's herb for wound care. Similarly many immigrant brought over the first daffodil bulbs, so on some old forgotten homestead, they might spring up. Chicory is that way from French immigrants.
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French aristocrats created lawns and this got emulated as a sign of wealth that the inhabitant did not need to garden, thus indicating wealth. It is stupidity to have a lawn as it is useless.

The French also would grow herbs in patterns which is lovely to have in a garden.

Historically sycamore trees were woven into a patten and still show up in some very old areas in America.
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It takes a lot more than a pack of seeds and a shovel to enhance your food security with a backyard survival garden. You need a solid, practical plan. Maybe you’ve never planted a single seed before, or maybe you’ve been working in the family garden since you were old enough to walk. Either way, there’s work you should be doing right now, even if the ground is frozen. You can start planning ahead.

Look Back to Gardening History Before Looking Ahead
Many Americans planted “Victory Gardens” during World War I and II, with the goal of increasing the nation’s food supply. In 1943, for example, there were more than 20 million war gardens in the U.S. The need and interest were there, and the citizenry responded. This patriotic planting produced an estimated 8 million tons of food, which was nearly half of the food consumed that year in the nation.

Jumping forward to last year, Americans responded to a crisis once again by rolling up their sleeves and getting dirt under their fingernails. For those who were paying attention to the self-reliance boom that took place at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, you may have noticed that a lot of stores ran out of basic gardening supplies and seeds. This spring, supply chains are in much better shape than those at the end of winter and early spring of 2020, but it’s wise to remember those empty shelves. Buy the things you need when they are available. Late winter is a great time to buy seeds and garden supplies. You can get them before the spring rush hits and you’ll have the best selection. If you want to grow the ultimate garden this spring, you don’t want to wait until the resources are “picked over” in late spring.

Scout the Best Survival Garden Location
Abundant sunlight and good soil are two of the biggest factors in a successful garden, and these are features that you can begin scouting for even in the winter. If you can get a soil map of your area (these are usually available at your local agricultural extension office), you can get some great insight into the type of soil you already have. You can also get a soil test, to determine your soil type and which nutrients are lacking. And even when the leaves are down from deciduous trees and the winter sun is lower in the sky, you can still get an idea about sunny locations. It’s a major rookie mistake to build your garden where a tree or some structure will cast a shadow across it. You’ll want at least 10 hours of uninterrupted sunlight shining down on your garden, though more daylight is better.



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A jardin potager laid out for functionality and culinary and medicinal use. Some Dark Age French wise woman healer would have such a plan. Likely she would save villagers too. Abbeys and nunneries did the same thing. They saved those herbs and made tinctures, salves, teas, syrups as this is before the common people had any physicians.
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If you are 16-48 years old and that homestead isn't very big, you might be able to rear tine tiller it. But I wouldn't. You don't know what you are getting into. It may be too much for you.

It is better to pay someone to bust sod the first time especially in clay soil or if some neighbor says they have field stone. Eventually you likely will buy equipment and that is a good investment. If there are lots of homesteads out there, someone is doing sod busting as a business, right?

A 16-36 years old in good shape can double dig by hand and doing sections at a time. Better have some naproxen and good leather gloves. That is not a job for wimps and you have to have a sturdy cart as you moving earth from row to row.
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LOL or just determined. I have invasive grass species and do it by hand every year and I am over 60 female 125lbs. I put the rolls on a sled and pull it around.
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PS, my garden is about an acre. It can be done, I did the entire acre by hand with a shovel, rolling up the sod. There is always more to do each year to maintain it and work in new areas, the paths and around resting crop spaces. I can do a 20ft x 20ft area in half a day without much pain.
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Holy shiz! An entire acre tilled by hand? That’s a lot of work and one hell of a garden. I don’t think most folks realize just how much work goes into that.

Anyway, good on ya. I don’t recall seeing a garden that size since I was a kid at my great grandparents farm in Tennessee. And that was for the family. They had several acres of burley tobacco also.
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A good way to get in the mood is to watch the Civil War romantic drama Cold Mountain. Practically every female character is in touch with the land or leans to be in case of Ada Munroe. She doesn't have any practical skills versus Ruby who teaches her.

An old wise woman lives on her own in a crude hut. Has a goat. Collects herbs. And because of all that saves Enman, a Confederate soldier and Ada's one true love. She houses him. Feeds him, doctors him, and saves him from a horrible deep neck wound that should have killed him in his starving state and with a fragile immune system.

You can bet she put comfrey and common plaintain in that salve as well as opioids for pain.
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Ruby wakes up Ada at the crack of dawn to milk that poor cow who hasn't been milked in a long time.

Ada is bewildered by how much work is done on a farm.
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If you are 16-48 years old and that homestead isn't very big, you might be able to rear tine tiller it. But I wouldn't. You don't know what you are getting into. It may be too much for you.

It is better to pay someone to bust sod the first time especially in clay soil or if some neighbor says they have field stone. Eventually you likely will buy equipment and that is a good investment. If there are lots of homesteads out there, someone is doing sod busting as a business, right?

A 16-36 years old in good shape can double dig by hand and doing sections at a time. Better have some naproxen and good leather gloves. That is not a job for wimps and you have to have a sturdy cart as you moving earth from row to row.
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LOL or just determined. I have invasive grass species and do it by hand every year and I am over 60 female 125lbs. I put the rolls on a sled and pull it around.
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Are you cute, sweet, and can cook? If so, you sound like a winner.
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If you are 16-48 years old and that homestead isn't very big, you might be able to rear tine tiller it. But I wouldn't. You don't know what you are getting into. It may be too much for you.

It is better to pay someone to bust sod the first time especially in clay soil or if some neighbor says they have field stone. Eventually you likely will buy equipment and that is a good investment. If there are lots of homesteads out there, someone is doing sod busting as a business, right?

A 16-36 years old in good shape can double dig by hand and doing sections at a time. Better have some naproxen and good leather gloves. That is not a job for wimps and you have to have a sturdy cart as you moving earth from row to row.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61274407


LOL or just determined. I have invasive grass species and do it by hand every year and I am over 60 female 125lbs. I put the rolls on a sled and pull it around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80105754


PS, my garden is about an acre. It can be done, I did the entire acre by hand with a shovel, rolling up the sod. There is always more to do each year to maintain it and work in new areas, the paths and around resting crop spaces. I can do a 20ft x 20ft area in half a day without much pain.
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Holy shiz! An entire acre tilled by hand? That’s a lot of work and one hell of a garden. I don’t think most folks realize just how much work goes into that.

Anyway, good on ya. I don’t recall seeing a garden that size since I was a kid at my great grandparents farm in Tennessee. And that was for the family. They had several acres of burley tobacco also.
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Thank you. When you lift the sod it leaves the ground loose and ready to plant when the chickens are done scratching for the bugs, no tilling needed, just some raking and leveling, a few additives as needed. The chickens love planting season LOL under foot trying to get the next bug first.
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It is amazing what one person can do when they are determined. When you think you can not go on after a few hours in the morning, you get a second wind and can work until dark. Your imagination is your limit, not much you can not do when you put your mind to it.

What amazes me is how old timers were able to build log cabins alone with primitive tools. Where there is a will there is a way.
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It is sad and heart breaking the last few generation hate any kind of labor and think of it as abuse. There is nothing more satisfying, joyful and fulfilling than the accomplishment of a good hard days work. It is good for the mind, body and spirit.





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