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Want to Plant the Ultimate Survival Garden This Spring? You Better Start Planning Right Now

 
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Also hugulekultire.put a log down and put organic material on it like leaves and grass clipping and build up a mound and then it rearains moisture and fertilizes.

It was on homestead rescue season 6 episode 8 troubled water
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Careful about hugelkultur. The wood is buried deep and acts like a sponge and slowly rots. Essentially you are creating a swale. Look it up.

So this means far less watering, but that creates a mound, so you need a real sunny spot as the mound is going to cast its own shadow. This means the mound is aligned with the east -west motion of the sun, right? If careless and you don't bury it deep enough, you acidify the soil so your pH is out of whack.

That Hugelkultur won't work everywhere but will help arid places that are drought-prone. Likely those places lack windbreaks so moisture wicks away by the sun and annual rainfall is less. Most likely those are garden plots west of the Mississippi River.

If east of the Mississippi River, that "sponge" might retain too much water, so an ever present swale. This means less watering, but a beginner might accidentally overwater.

Another point is Hugelkultur is polyculture whereas most gardeners do monoculture. Polyculture is where plants of various types are interplanted, often as companion plants, so care must be taken so some taller plant does not crowd out the sun from a shorter plant. Most gardeners grow the same crops in rows which is monoculture even of they do double dug beds. Some that are clever intersperse various plants as polyculture, so those are the experienced folks who really understand companion planting, and might benefit from Hugelkultur more.
You need to do some reading if experimenting with this. Typically that is tried when clearing the periphery of a meadow that has some handing trees. That is a lot of shoveling to bury it and may require earth moving equipment or a lot of people helping. Read Sepp Holzer as he is the main proponent of that system. One does not just wing it. Several permies groups admire Sepp Holzer so you easily be able to find articles and videos on it.
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Those permies are proposing ways to provide long lasting benefits to enhance the soil and promote easier angriculture that increases yields over time. Not exploit the soil and deplete it as poor agriculture most often does.

For example, suburbs on the edges of a developed area most often are "spent farmland" ie the farmer applied chemical fertilizer and pesticides and so that soil is very poor with hardpan just 6-8 inches down. So anyone in a suburb then is beginning with poor soil, and trying to remedy it, likely by busting up the hardpan (as those roots for 20+ years never really penetrated which is very unnatural in a meadow) so double digging is suggested or deep rear tine tilling or green manures like buckwheat or rapeseed then tilled under.

See in nature, many meadow plants will produce deep taproots to break that 6-8" depth and along comes sumac as the first shrub to prepare a meadow to change back to a spot appropriate for pines. Which far later, as deciduous seeds get dropped among the pines, then transform that into a regular complex forest.

Nature erodes cliffs by mosses and fungus and lichens so pools form and further erode, and then some meadow seeds get deposited by birds in their fecal matter, and some decay is collecting to start meadows.

Everything is cyclical over thousands of years.
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You as a new gardener are absolutely like an agriculture physician / steward of the Earth just as the Trinity intended humans to be.

You start with a very artificial lawn, most often a scrub meadow, and you are filling under and trying increase the productive rich topsoil by composted manure and by composting on the side and adding that to you beds.

At first, that soil is like a sickly patient who badly needs a healer. You at trying over many seasons to remedy it so it turns into black loam which is ideal. Most likely you started with clay with very little topsoil.
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A gardener has less than a couple acres and so is quite busy with just that and healing that soil so the plants grow optimally.

A farmer has acres and acres and just can't invest the amount of time so most use chemicals and pesticides to optimize yields. But at a heavy price as these contaminate the groundwater very badly. Nobody knows the long term effects.

An organic farmer will apply things like green sand and rock phosphate and manures and tilling under green manures and doesn't use chemical pesticides and tries to heal that very sickly land, but at a lot of expense and labor. Which is why organic produce is so expensive.

As a gardener, you are not limited to standard seeds, which often are types of produce that ship well, but are not as flavorful. You should try some heirloom seeds and see what varieties you like, and can start saving seeds for successive gardening seasons.
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Do not quit, give up or be ashamed if you fail a few times. My first gardens were as shameful as my first few building projects. That is how you learn, trial and error.

Reminds me of how my social, religious and political skills / views were when I was young. OH my. Give the kids a break, we made mistakes when we were young.

Please keep growing yourselves.
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Do not quit, give up or be ashamed if you fail a few times. My first gardens were as shameful as my first few building projects. That is how you learn, trial and error.

Reminds me of how my social, religious and political skills / views were when I was young. OH my. Give the kids a break, we made mistakes when we were young.

Please keep growing yourselves.
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I do not regret supporting Nixon. LOL
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I am an old lady now living alone in the woods, growing my own food, cut my own fire wood, drop trees, fixing my own rigs and tools, building my own building, fences, raising butchering and harvesting and preserving as much as I can, working as hard as I can, more happy and as independent as I ever could have dreamed possible.

When I was young I thought I could not do any of all this or that without a man. It was the way I was raised, women can not and should not, are not able to do any of this. I am not liberal, not feminist, not butch, I love men, but I did not want to be forced to " put out" for work I learned how to do myself, I put out when I want to for my own reasons, not out of need and manipulation.
Yes men tried to hold back my fair pay for the equal work to try to stay in control. Women are good at doing twice the work as a man with less than half the pay in half the time and considered half as good. Deal with it with a sense of humor and smile. AND THAT IS THE TRUTH
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Women do not loose our desire for a man after menopause, just our animal hormonal crazy sex impulse, that part can still be aroused by a man but he has to be more trust worthy to make it happen, not wait for the hormones in us to kick in, to do it for him. More friendship, lacking impulse. Older men know this, they are the most beautiful. Young men all look and act the same to me, superficial, stupid arrogent, but an old man.......... so beautiful, how can I count the ways I love old men, they are the best, most beautiful creatures ever created when you find a good one. Old muscles and bodies and scars that have been through hell and back, the lines on the faces tell every tell, the experiences, talents and skills, I could go on forever how much I love old men.
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There is nothing Biblical about the idea that Christian ladies cannot do agricultural work that I am aware of. It just is heavy labor.

The basic Biblical relationship is between a husband and wife within Christian marriage and it is for joy as well as to satisfy our innate desire for romance, friendship, and to have and care for children.

There is nothing Biblical about putting out which I find sounds like a distasteful perversion of romance akin to permitted rape.

That post is ardently bigoted against men and is sad, pathetic, and would induce loneliness. If adopted, it would be ruinous and bring about alienation and extinction.
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I have been managing this piece of property for ages, my farm. Can anyone tell me why my favorite Chantrelle mushroom started growing on it's own this last year. I did not put out spores in any way it was not over the septic tank, I did eat a few.. How did they get here?
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There is nothing Biblical about the idea that Christian ladies cannot do agricultural work that I am aware of. It just is heavy labor.

The basic Biblical relationship is between a husband and wife within Christian marriage and it is for joy as well as to satisfy our innate desire for romance, friendship, and to have and care for children.

There is nothing Biblical about putting out which I find sounds like a distasteful perversion of romance akin to permitted rape.

That post is ardently bigoted against men and is sad, pathetic, and would induce loneliness. If adopted, it would be ruinous and bring about alienation and extinction.
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for many years I did not get a glp flag either, when they moved the server you got it LOL
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If one were preparing their land for the first time, under emergency situations, which is practically the case now, then prudence dictates using chemical fertilizer the first year as the soil is likely quite barren.

You would gather some soil, bring it in to air dry, and either buy a soil test kit or ask a friend to test your. In the US, you can work with a local agency in your county, and they will provide a box for that soil sample, and it will be analyzed at a state university, then send you back the results. But you are looking at a 2 week delay.

That first year, you would "side dress" with fertilizer, which is quite traditional with cabbage family plants. Look that up. If one was broke and no access to chemical fertilizer, you would urinate into a container, dilute it, and chemically it is identical and free with minimal smell as it should be sterile. Look up that for proof.

Meanwhile look up directions on how to start a compost pile. You can "dose" it with bacteria starter and you can chop up your food waste with a lawn mower, and add most everything except meat scraps. Save those for making soup or for your pets. Cover the compost pile with a black tarp and it will greatly accelerate decomposition due to the sun's rays. You want it stay damp, not soaked, and turn it to facilitate that breakdown.

It takes a tremendous time to create topsoil, so you composting can greatly enrichen the soil in a fairly rapid fashion.

There are free programs and apps on gardening and it is wise to record when you applied soil amenities and put down any pesticides. I would recommend you remove pests by hand and use very mild pesticides based on gardening recommendations, but use simple methods like very diluted soap and hot pepper juice and things like diatomaceous earth instead.

You don't have to become an all organic gardener overnight and some people are gardening on minimal budgets too. It is a whole lot easier to listen to a known master gardener than just wing it and hope your ideas will work.
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There is nothing Biblical about the idea that Christian ladies cannot do agricultural work that I am aware of. It just is heavy labor.

The basic Biblical relationship is between a husband and wife within Christian marriage and it is for joy as well as to satisfy our innate desire for romance, friendship, and to have and care for children.

There is nothing Biblical about putting out which I find sounds like a distasteful perversion of romance akin to permitted rape.

That post is ardently bigoted against men and is sad, pathetic, and would induce loneliness. If adopted, it would be ruinous and bring about alienation and extinction.
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thank you, hard work and good skills do not make a good woman any less than a good woman.
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What some people do is convert an old food disposal and hook that up outside to a faucet. Then run their food waste into a slurry which they catch in a bucket. And they dump that on the compost pile, even adding a little diluted urine to really accelerate the breakdown, and then turn it.

It is a little bit of trouble, but some rig up a plastic or metal barrel which is on rollers and put their lawn clippings in there. So they end up with a LOT of compost in short order.
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This is our last safe space. Do they want to sensor garden skills too?
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What some people do is convert an old food disposal and hook that up outside to a faucet. Then run their food waste into a slurry which they catch in a bucket. And they dump that on the compost pile, even adding a little diluted urine to really accelerate the breakdown, and then turn it.

It is a little bit of trouble, but some rig up a plastic or metal barrel which is on rollers and put their lawn clippings in there. So they end up with a LOT of compost in short order.
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Great minds think alike, I liquid compost.
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I have a few big buckets of compost fish scraps, chicken dung, deer droppings, turkey turds and other things I make compost tea in, I strain into a big big tub that gravity feeds my garden when I water.
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A greenhouse is expensive and difficult to heat and maintain humidity. So what many have done is build an inexpensive structure that is essentially a cloche using plain old clear plastic sheeting.

So you could experiment doing some limited greenhouse operations even if your budget is tight. I've seen people do that successfully all the way back to the early sixties.

Young gardeners are often exhuberant and spend too much money that they do not have, and there is no need for that. Old tools work but may need cleaning or sharpening. Save that money as there may be some rare plant specimen you want to attempt to grow. Never be shy about asking some gardener for cuttings. Chances are they got cuttings from mentors for free. Sometimes people need help digging out some clustered bulbs and so they give you some when they thin them out.

Don't be afraid to try to build something to use in the garden too. It doesn't have to be perfect and you are the only one who is likely to see it. A lot of stuff is cobbled together or repurposed.
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Someone may have built a garden cart and you can build one yourself too. Or buy one that looks neat up but still is functional.

To buy one new ready made from the store might be very expensive. Save your money.
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I save my piss for the garden liquid buckets, it helps compost the vegetation.
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an old farmers trick, how to use your own dung, count the many ways
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The best way to use dung is to dry it
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You can put an attachment on a hose to dispense some liquid soil amenities, but I would not do that. Dragging a length of hose will end being unwieldy and may knock over fragile plants. What you want is multiple places you can dispense water and ideally have some form of drip irrigation as most water runs off uselessly. You want slow irrigation and that can be as simple as taking old 2 liter bottles stuck in the soil.

But you likely will need a hand pump dispenser/sprayer that is adjustable.

Also remember that water in a hose can bake in the sun and get very hot which you do not want. That is not good for your plants.
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You can use a dry turd in more ways than a wet and smelly one. You can use it to burn for fuel to cook on or mixed with soil for rapid growth, but you think of it as waste to be disposed, dirty.
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My grandpa used this kind of greenhouse and now I am the grandpa. This one costs $100 and is made of plastic sheet panels which are easily replaced with a plain old staple gun.
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If you read up on growing potatoes on top of the ground, and you screw up and use hay instead of straw, then you just planted a bunch of alfalfa as the seeds drop. Straw is missing the seeds. Beginners make that kind of error.

Have leather gardening gloves not cloth. You see a thistle and remove it with cloth gloves an next thing you know is you have the worst rash all over your fingers. Warn your kids too. When a dig up a yard, a bunch of weeds will also grow.

Wheelbarrows are useless. You want a decent garden cart to save your back muscles. All that shoveling and putting down mulch and dragging something heavy ends up straining your intrinsic lower back muscles. That hurts for a whole week.

Manure when fresh is full of weed seeds. You put down composted manure and especially over winter.

Bunnies hate human hair. It freaks them out as they think of predators. Go to a beautician and get floor sweepings for free. Otherwise you just prepare a banquet for rabbits. Can't blame 'em as they are cute rascals.

Squirrel, birds, cute little chipmunks, snakes, etc will all pay visits to eat and likely to prey on some. Your cat may chow down as some field mouse takes a bite of squash or a tomato.
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The best solution to rabbits and squirrels pillaging your garden is to make a stew out of 'em. I pick them off with a pellet gun, they're usually at it in the morning or evening.

Pretty soon they get the ideal and don't bother your garden any more.

If you're growing a garden and edible critters are sharing your product, the best thing to do is eat them.
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A cold frame does not have to be fancy. It might be just some old repurposed wood and some old discarded storm windows. Don't buy a cold frame, just make something that works.
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It takes a lot more than a pack of seeds and a shovel to enhance your food security with a backyard survival garden. You need a solid, practical plan. Maybe you’ve never planted a single seed before, or maybe you’ve been working in the family garden since you were old enough to walk. Either way, there’s work you should be doing right now, even if the ground is frozen. You can start planning ahead.

Look Back to Gardening History Before Looking Ahead
Many Americans planted “Victory Gardens” during World War I and II, with the goal of increasing the nation’s food supply. In 1943, for example, there were more than 20 million war gardens in the U.S. The need and interest were there, and the citizenry responded. This patriotic planting produced an estimated 8 million tons of food, which was nearly half of the food consumed that year in the nation.

Jumping forward to last year, Americans responded to a crisis once again by rolling up their sleeves and getting dirt under their fingernails. For those who were paying attention to the self-reliance boom that took place at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, you may have noticed that a lot of stores ran out of basic gardening supplies and seeds. This spring, supply chains are in much better shape than those at the end of winter and early spring of 2020, but it’s wise to remember those empty shelves. Buy the things you need when they are available. Late winter is a great time to buy seeds and garden supplies. You can get them before the spring rush hits and you’ll have the best selection. If you want to grow the ultimate garden this spring, you don’t want to wait until the resources are “picked over” in late spring.

Scout the Best Survival Garden Location
Abundant sunlight and good soil are two of the biggest factors in a successful garden, and these are features that you can begin scouting for even in the winter. If you can get a soil map of your area (these are usually available at your local agricultural extension office), you can get some great insight into the type of soil you already have. You can also get a soil test, to determine your soil type and which nutrients are lacking. And even when the leaves are down from deciduous trees and the winter sun is lower in the sky, you can still get an idea about sunny locations. It’s a major rookie mistake to build your garden where a tree or some structure will cast a shadow across it. You’ll want at least 10 hours of uninterrupted sunlight shining down on your garden, though more daylight is better.



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Square Foot gardening
; it really works for most things you plant.
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What some people do is convert an old food disposal and hook that up outside to a faucet. Then run their food waste into a slurry which they catch in a bucket. And they dump that on the compost pile, even adding a little diluted urine to really accelerate the breakdown, and then turn it.

It is a little bit of trouble, but some rig up a plastic or metal barrel which is on rollers and put their lawn clippings in there. So they end up with a LOT of compost in short order.
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Dried up cowshit is the best fertilizer in my experience, well aged stuff so you dont get any live seed in it. Till it deep into the soil about this time of year , and it doesn't hurt to burn leaves and branches in the garden area and till them in too. This will also tend to kill most of the weed roots present.

Horseshit is a good too, BTW. Chemical fertilizers work good but they are an unnecessary expense and it's easy to overdo it..





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