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Lets start a thread where we could share ideas for living off grid. One never knows when shit will hit us hard, a power outage could leave us in a cold and dark scenario similar to what occurred in Texas recently.
A few things that come to my mind immediately are water, electricity,shelter. We always need water/electricity to run appliances, heaters, lights etc, and of course shelter to keep us safe and out of the elements.

This has the potential to turn into a life saving thread.

Lets start off with a few videos I came across that show how to pump water, regulate the flow, build a relatively cheap off grid cabin, with solar/battery and/or, a water powered generator.

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I am really hoping this thread generates input.
We all get an opportunity to save money at the same time.

lets have some fun sharing, and learning.

Simple off grid Cabin that anyone can build & afford


Free power- How to convert an old washing machine into a water powered generator


How to Make a "Water Ram" off-grid Water Pump, requires no electricity


Control liquid flow using a Tesla valve. (gas, water)


1.2kw Solar Panels Off Grid - 24v battery bank running air conditioner and more.


In interest of using what you have and not what you want.


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Awesome dogs those Malinois!
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Nice share. My concern would be rain water running downslope and drenching you in that scenario. OK for sure for a one nighter, I wouldnt be so elaborate though. Mine would be more aligned to a lean to type set up, nice fire and reflector. Cozy
Im done for the night folks, please keep em coming, if I missed a video you shared I will catch up tomorrow, I`m tired.
Thank you everyone for contributing.

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Starting a fire when its pissing down rain.
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Portable wood burning Stove perfect for bug out.


Complete camp stove kit that includes 6 feet of chimney pipe, legs, flue brush, damper tool and racks in a portable carrying case
73 Sq. In. cooking surface with included racks for drying small items or for indirect heat
Easy-adjust door damper allows for heat output adjustment
Heavy duty steel construction for reliability
Perfect for camping, backpacking, ice fishing, and hunting
Dimensions: 14 inches long, 7-4/5 inches wide (19.38 inches with grates) and 15-2/3 inches tall (22 inches with legs extended); Can use wood up to 13 inches long and 3 inches in diameter
Firebox measures 13-1/2 inches long, 7-3/4 inches wide and 5-7/8 inches tall; Included 6 foot chimney consists of 7 interlocking stainless steel sections that store easily in the carry case



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Mad Max The Reality Tv Series
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Portable wood burning Stove perfect for bug out.


Complete camp stove kit that includes 6 feet of chimney pipe, legs, flue brush, damper tool and racks in a portable carrying case
73 Sq. In. cooking surface with included racks for drying small items or for indirect heat
Easy-adjust door damper allows for heat output adjustment
Heavy duty steel construction for reliability
Perfect for camping, backpacking, ice fishing, and hunting
Dimensions: 14 inches long, 7-4/5 inches wide (19.38 inches with grates) and 15-2/3 inches tall (22 inches with legs extended); Can use wood up to 13 inches long and 3 inches in diameter
Firebox measures 13-1/2 inches long, 7-3/4 inches wide and 5-7/8 inches tall; Included 6 foot chimney consists of 7 interlocking stainless steel sections that store easily in the carry case



[link to www.amazon.ca (secure)]
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I`ve read the reviews on that particular stove and I think this one would be more suitable.


[link to www.cabelas.com (secure)]
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cpl notes for ya from watching other off-grid or prepper ppl over the years-

1> water being close is critical. so is pumping or moving it. the better your plan here the happier u will b.

every person who has attempted living off-grid breathes a huge sigh of relief when they get a water system put in so they no longer have to carry water in buckets. even acroos the back yard becomes a chore very quickly. moving water is their #1 accomplishment within the 1st few years. this they are most happy to have solved.

this matters to them more than doing without or having less electricity daily. matters more than any other hard work.

2> firewood. u will need and burn much much more than u think. whatever u think u need to survive winter-TRIPLE IT. yes today we have better insulation and construction methods than Colonial or Pioneer Americans. however, the amount of firewood needed is way under spec'd.

watched a show that took groups of ppl and had them live like colonial ppl for the summer. then they were graded. even the duxde who cut the most firewood would not survive thru the entire winter. he would have been a month or 2 short. he had cut firewood constantly.

by the way, most use chain saws now. they won't run in a full SHTF for long. how ready are u to use an axe and split mauls? nor are we ready to live with temps near 50.which u would have to do to conserve the wood.

3> that brings me to point 3. even a small family can not do everything alone. there is not enuf time in the day to do it all. u do need to sleep and keep watch over your land. u need to grow food,cut firewood,do recon work for news and supplies,make stuff-tools,clothing,etc. and teach others.

the AMISH have larger families and have trained them from babies up to work. Americans and other 1st world nations are spolied. we are not ready.

hence it will take a community working together and weeding out the bad apples to survive. even then ,many will die of starvation, lack of medicines,etc. the emotional toll will take down many others.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


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Portable wood burning Stove perfect for bug out.


Complete camp stove kit that includes 6 feet of chimney pipe, legs, flue brush, damper tool and racks in a portable carrying case
73 Sq. In. cooking surface with included racks for drying small items or for indirect heat
Easy-adjust door damper allows for heat output adjustment
Heavy duty steel construction for reliability
Perfect for camping, backpacking, ice fishing, and hunting
Dimensions: 14 inches long, 7-4/5 inches wide (19.38 inches with grates) and 15-2/3 inches tall (22 inches with legs extended); Can use wood up to 13 inches long and 3 inches in diameter
Firebox measures 13-1/2 inches long, 7-3/4 inches wide and 5-7/8 inches tall; Included 6 foot chimney consists of 7 interlocking stainless steel sections that store easily in the carry case



[link to www.amazon.ca (secure)]
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I`ve read the reviews on that particular stove and I think this one would be more suitable.


[link to www.cabelas.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Bandito del Cielo


Purchased this stove and I am glad I did 5 out of 5 *****
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cpl notes for ya from watching other off-grid or prepper ppl over the years-

1> water being close is critical. so is pumping or moving it. the better your plan here the happier u will b.

every person who has attempted living off-grid breathes a huge sigh of relief when they get a water system put in so they no longer have to carry water in buckets. even acroos the back yard becomes a chore very quickly. moving water is their #1 accomplishment within the 1st few years. this they are most happy to have solved.

this matters to them more than doing without or having less electricity daily. matters more than any other hard work.

2> firewood. u will need and burn much much more than u think. whatever u think u need to survive winter-TRIPLE IT. yes today we have better insulation and construction methods than Colonial or Pioneer Americans. however, the amount of firewood needed is way under spec'd.

watched a show that took groups of ppl and had them live like colonial ppl for the summer. then they were graded. even the duxde who cut the most firewood would not survive thru the entire winter. he would have been a month or 2 short. he had cut firewood constantly.

by the way, most use chain saws now. they won't run in a full SHTF for long. how ready are u to use an axe and split mauls? nor are we ready to live with temps near 50.which u would have to do to conserve the wood.

3> that brings me to point 3. even a small family can not do everything alone. there is not enuf time in the day to do it all. u do need to sleep and keep watch over your land. u need to grow food,cut firewood,do recon work for news and supplies,make stuff-tools,clothing,etc. and teach others.

the AMISH have larger families and have trained them from babies up to work. Americans and other 1st world nations are spolied. we are not ready.

hence it will take a community working together and weeding out the bad apples to survive. even then ,many will die of starvation, lack of medicines,etc. the emotional toll will take down many others.
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Great advice. Thank you
When it comes to cutting firewood , my rule of thumb is; when you think you have enough, cut 10 x more.
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Portable wood burning Stove perfect for bug out.


Complete camp stove kit that includes 6 feet of chimney pipe, legs, flue brush, damper tool and racks in a portable carrying case
73 Sq. In. cooking surface with included racks for drying small items or for indirect heat
Easy-adjust door damper allows for heat output adjustment
Heavy duty steel construction for reliability
Perfect for camping, backpacking, ice fishing, and hunting
Dimensions: 14 inches long, 7-4/5 inches wide (19.38 inches with grates) and 15-2/3 inches tall (22 inches with legs extended); Can use wood up to 13 inches long and 3 inches in diameter
Firebox measures 13-1/2 inches long, 7-3/4 inches wide and 5-7/8 inches tall; Included 6 foot chimney consists of 7 interlocking stainless steel sections that store easily in the carry case



[link to www.amazon.ca (secure)]
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I`ve read the reviews on that particular stove and I think this one would be more suitable.


[link to www.cabelas.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Bandito del Cielo


Purchased this stove and I am glad I did 5 out of 5 *****
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A good addition
[link to www.competitiveedgeproducts.com (secure)]

review
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Why not just a singlewide with all the comforts of home on a cheap piece of property? Add in solar panels and cut down a tree on your dirt road and you are off the grid..why live in literal dirt huts. the only evidence i would exist would be county tax record which would probably go to shit anyway if SHTF.

anyway here is my setup 80 miles north in florida towards Cross city

I have a freshwater creek loaded with Crayfish, Sunfish, Catfish, probably others...I have orange trees and chickens i transplanted and they roam freely on the property and are wild to it. Wildlife is extremely abundant, Fowl, Gators, Pigs, Deer...the place Well stocked with rice, canned goods, whisky in the deep freezer..etc. Plenty of DVD's and things to do and an internet dish if i wanted to pay for it. I did all this last year after Covid started.


Property - $6000
Used Singlewide - $10000
Solar Setup - $7200
Well - $600

I did the septic myself...just a barrel with holes in it a few feet underground (it will work)

I mean for only $25000 its not a bad setup.

https://imgur.com/a/viMjZKg
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Just trying to give people idea's. It would be a comfy way to ride out the apocalypse and its extremely affordable. To all those who think this is sort of setup is unreasonable, look again at the price and do some google searches. Used Singlewides are a dime a dozen and they are easy to move there are many haulers who will do it for less than $50 a mile and that may seem expensive its really not...you shop in the county you have property in5a

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Howdy OP:

What do you consider living off grid?

Off grid used to mean living without elec/water from a company/city and bartering for most essentials.

It didn't mean doing without those items.

What do you consider off grid?
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For the people that are going to bug out and move around. Be aware that local folk will shoot you if you go onto their land. They don't take kindly to strangers...

I'm going to bug in. Have all my preps including a Solar system and large stock tank for water...
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Exactly. Plus private-use drones with IR cameras for less than $1,000 and other high-tech gear that is easily and relatively inexpensively available to civilians now makes bugging out undetected much more difficult than it was even ten years ago.

A well-concealed underground shelter with sufficient supplies to stay hidden for a bare minimum of 90 days is the way to go. Heat is not a huge problem since temps remain pretty constant underground.

Let the looters ransack your house. It's not defendable against a large armed group anyway. Hunker down out of sight and out of mind and let the people up top kill each other off. Once things have settled down, then poke your nose out a little and see if it's safe to come up yet.
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I somehow missed this great thread since I'm doing bunch of chores outdoors while weather is decent here in SE US.

One of the things our ancestors would chide us now on would be not learning the different types of wood, their properties and how to max your fire w/ what you have.

One of my most valued possessions is my Foxfire Book series set, tho' I'm missing 2 volumes.

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Why not just a singlewide with all the comforts of home on a cheap piece of property? Add in solar panels and cut down a tree on your dirt road and you are off the grid..why live in literal dirt huts. the only evidence i would exist would be county tax record which would probably go to shit anyway if SHTF.

anyway here is my setup 80 miles north in florida towards Cross city

I have a freshwater creek loaded with Crayfish, Sunfish, Catfish, probably others...I have orange trees and chickens i transplanted and they roam freely on the property and are wild to it. Wildlife is extremely abundant, Fowl, Gators, Pigs, Deer...the place Well stocked with rice, canned goods, whisky in the deep freezer..etc. Plenty of DVD's and things to do and an internet dish if i wanted to pay for it. I did all this last year after Covid started.


Property - $6000
Used Singlewide - $10000
Solar Setup - $7200
Well - $600

I did the septic myself...just a barrel with holes in it a few feet underground (it will work)

I mean for only $25000 its not a bad setup.

https://imgur.com/a/viMjZKg
.

Just trying to give people idea's. It would be a comfy way to ride out the apocalypse and its extremely affordable. To all those who think this is sort of setup is unreasonable, look again at the price and do some google searches. Used Singlewides are a dime a dozen and they are easy to move there are many haulers who will do it for less than $50 a mile and that may seem expensive its really not...you shop in the county you have property in5a
 Quoting: BLARGON


Some people might not be able to afford that. Its what you can afford.
I`m trying to include anybody and everybody.

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Howdy OP:

What do you consider living off grid?

Off grid used to mean living without elec/water from a company/city and bartering for most essentials.

It didn't mean doing without those items.

What do you consider off grid?
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Off grid is not paying for water or electricity, and heat.
Setting up an affordable way to get off "The Grid"
Then there are ways to do it old style, straight off the land, survival.
I`m inclined to keep all options open.
If your shack or shelter, cave or whatever is destroyed, whats your back up plan?
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Why not just a singlewide with all the comforts of home on a cheap piece of property? Add in solar panels and cut down a tree on your dirt road and you are off the grid..why live in literal dirt huts. the only evidence i would exist would be county tax record which would probably go to shit anyway if SHTF.

anyway here is my setup 80 miles north in florida towards Cross city

I have a freshwater creek loaded with Crayfish, Sunfish, Catfish, probably others...I have orange trees and chickens i transplanted and they roam freely on the property and are wild to it. Wildlife is extremely abundant, Fowl, Gators, Pigs, Deer...the place Well stocked with rice, canned goods, whisky in the deep freezer..etc. Plenty of DVD's and things to do and an internet dish if i wanted to pay for it. I did all this last year after Covid started.


Property - $6000
Used Singlewide - $10000
Solar Setup - $7200
Well - $600

I did the septic myself...just a barrel with holes in it a few feet underground (it will work)

I mean for only $25000 its not a bad setup.

https://imgur.com/a/viMjZKg
.

Just trying to give people idea's. It would be a comfy way to ride out the apocalypse and its extremely affordable. To all those who think this is sort of setup is unreasonable, look again at the price and do some google searches. Used Singlewides are a dime a dozen and they are easy to move there are many haulers who will do it for less than $50 a mile and that may seem expensive its really not...you shop in the county you have property in5a
 Quoting: BLARGON


Some people might not be able to afford that. Its what you can afford.
I`m trying to include anybody and everybody.
 Quoting: Bandito del Cielo


I mean you could always find cheaper property and a cheap singlewide.

I just don't like the idea camping. The urge to go back and take my chances after a few weeks would be high...you could evan haul a shed right now and do what i did for half the price. everyones got 401k's...its time to liquidate or loan them.

https://imgur.com/a/Aq1z7yl


Again Idea's. Roaming around isnt a good idea

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Why not just a singlewide with all the comforts of home on a cheap piece of property? Add in solar panels and cut down a tree on your dirt road and you are off the grid..why live in literal dirt huts. the only evidence i would exist would be county tax record which would probably go to shit anyway if SHTF.

anyway here is my setup 80 miles north in florida towards Cross city

I have a freshwater creek loaded with Crayfish, Sunfish, Catfish, probably others...I have orange trees and chickens i transplanted and they roam freely on the property and are wild to it. Wildlife is extremely abundant, Fowl, Gators, Pigs, Deer...the place Well stocked with rice, canned goods, whisky in the deep freezer..etc. Plenty of DVD's and things to do and an internet dish if i wanted to pay for it. I did all this last year after Covid started.


Property - $6000
Used Singlewide - $10000
Solar Setup - $7200
Well - $600

I did the septic myself...just a barrel with holes in it a few feet underground (it will work)

I mean for only $25000 its not a bad setup.

https://imgur.com/a/viMjZKg
.

Just trying to give people idea's. It would be a comfy way to ride out the apocalypse and its extremely affordable. To all those who think this is sort of setup is unreasonable, look again at the price and do some google searches. Used Singlewides are a dime a dozen and they are easy to move there are many haulers who will do it for less than $50 a mile and that may seem expensive its really not...you shop in the county you have property in5a
 Quoting: BLARGON


Some people might not be able to afford that. Its what you can afford.
I`m trying to include anybody and everybody.
 Quoting: Bandito del Cielo


I mean you could always find cheaper property and a cheap singlewide.

I just don't like the idea camping. The urge to go back and take my chances after a few weeks would be high
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If something catastrophic happened, you might not have a choice. Keep all options open. Hone up on every skill you have, and can learn. Teach it to your kids pass it on, to everyone you care about. In the end its going to be survival of the fittest.
The foolish man built his house upon the sand.

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To get a truly realistic idea of how important bush craft skills are in the scheme of heavy shit scenario, just read William Forstchen's books series, starting w/ One Second After (a series of EMPs wipes out many countries across the globe).

That will scare the absolute shit out of you and then you will fall into depression. It is that realistic.

And not out of the realm of possibility at all. Whether man does something stupid or our very own Sun has a hissy fit (Carrington event like).
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To get a truly realistic idea of how important bush craft skills are in the scheme of heavy shit scenario, just read William Forstchen's books series, starting w/ One Second After (a series of EMPs wipes out many countries across the globe).

That will scare the absolute shit out of you and then you will fall into depression. It is that realistic.

And not out of the realm of possibility at all. Whether man does something stupid or our very own Sun has a hissy fit (Carrington event like).
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will solar panels survive a carrington event? im not even sure. I know most are emp proof because the primary effect of an emp amplifies through a grid
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Nice thread! Are you a Bandito MC member? Just curious...
There's never a dull moment here on planet earth, unless GLP ceased to exist...

Oh, and Biden can't dress himself....
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Howdy OP:

What do you consider living off grid?

Off grid used to mean living without elec/water from a company/city and bartering for most essentials.

It didn't mean doing without those items.

What do you consider off grid?
 Quoting: Underground_Dude


Off grid is not paying for water or electricity, and heat.
Setting up an affordable way to get off "The Grid"
Then there are ways to do it old style, straight off the land, survival.
I`m inclined to keep all options open.
If your shack or shelter, cave or whatever is destroyed, whats your back up plan?
 Quoting: Bandito del Cielo


By that definition we've been off grid for 30 years with the bartering an off and on depending if I'm retired or not.

We are where most people would run to and have tried to over the years. In that light if it was destroyed we would rebuild on the same spot but I'm not sure how that would happen without something extremely catastrophic happening.

Man/woman power is not in short supply here. 351 (all vets) + wives and children, we aren't retired at the moment.

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Low cost structures: Geodesic domes, a dome frame and plywood skin can be used as a form to make concrete domes.

It would be used to hold the rebar and construction cloth and as a backer to hold either spay on gunite or aircrete.

Remove the frame and skin from the inside to be used on other domes.

Relatively cheap, durable and very concealable.
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03/22/2021 10:49 PM
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Re: Living off the grid/survival thread
Micro hydro is you friend just pick a system to suite and build.








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