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Funny how all these ‘nothing burger’ trolls are glued to a thread called ‘World on Fire’

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Nothing will happen.
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Why are you here with a broken F5 key then?
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US threats keep coming.

I wonder what Germany thinks about this one:

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Here come retarded Commie Canadians too…

Canada to boost troops on ground in Ukraine

Ottawa further expands its military presence on Ukrainian soil citing alleged “Russian aggression”

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I just read a big-shot Ukrainian diplomat saying that Ukrain still wants its people and lands returned. What lands? Crimea where no Ukrainians ever live? The place that voted better than 99% to leave because their native language was not to be recognized as an official language(by the new illegitimate government)? Perhaps the Russian people of the Donbas who have been slaughtered for years by the Ukrainian military?

I suddenly have a burning hatred for the Ukrainian government. I hope when this is all said and done the Russian mob gets hold of these murdering degenerates--every last one.
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So I’m supposed to be afraid of fast metal?
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I just read a big-shot Ukrainian diplomat saying that Ukrain still wants its people and lands returned. What lands? Crimea where no Ukrainians ever live? The place that voted better than 99% to leave because their native language was not to be recognized as an official language(by the new illegitimate government)? Perhaps the Russian people of the Donbas who have been slaughtered for years by the Ukrainian military?

I suddenly have a burning hatred for the Ukrainian government. I hope when this is all said and done the Russian mob gets hold of these murdering degenerates--every last one.
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Obama after installing puppet nazi Ukrainian regime in 2014:


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I just read a big-shot Ukrainian diplomat saying that Ukrain still wants its people and lands returned. What lands? Crimea where no Ukrainians ever live? The place that voted better than 99% to leave because their native language was not to be recognized as an official language(by the new illegitimate government)? Perhaps the Russian people of the Donbas who have been slaughtered for years by the Ukrainian military?

I suddenly have a burning hatred for the Ukrainian government. I hope when this is all said and done the Russian mob gets hold of these murdering degenerates--every last one.
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Obama after installing puppet nazi Ukrainian regime in 2014:


workdone1
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I bet that sack of shit is smiling while saying "I did that" while the world approaches unparalleled destruction.
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I just read a big-shot Ukrainian diplomat saying that Ukrain still wants its people and lands returned. What lands? Crimea where no Ukrainians ever live? The place that voted better than 99% to leave because their native language was not to be recognized as an official language(by the new illegitimate government)? Perhaps the Russian people of the Donbas who have been slaughtered for years by the Ukrainian military?

I suddenly have a burning hatred for the Ukrainian government. I hope when this is all said and done the Russian mob gets hold of these murdering degenerates--every last one.
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Obama after installing puppet nazi Ukrainian regime in 2014:


workdone1
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I bet that sack of shit is smiling while saying "I did that" while the world approaches unparalleled destruction.
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Yes.
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Russia will not strike unless the red line is crossed. They have been very clear about this for a long time--no Nato forces in Ukraine and Ukraine cannot join Nato.

The ball is in Nato's court--if there is war it will because the western "leaders" desired it.
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I agree, I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly what Biden wants. A chance to have "gravitas", a chance to not look like the weak, impotent fraud that he is.

I think it is blatantly clear that the global powers that be could care less if the world population is decimated by a conflict. We are finally at the point where MAD doesn't matter to these pricks.

However, Putin may simply be flexing because he knows how weak Biden really is...and how little backing he would get to pursue war.
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I'm afraid you are correct. This is beyond stupid--it is satanic.
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It's time for America - the liberal Bowl-shevik enemy of the world - to die and die in flames.

Anyone fighting for the USA that doesn't desert deserves to die painfully and their foul corpse spat upon. Send their remains back to their families in dime bags.
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So when is the kick off? Today or tomorrow? A month from now?
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If you think Ukrainian mud as strategy, then the timing will coincide (IF it happens) with however long the Russian planners think it will take to roll in and firmly establish a hold on territory, using the frozen ground to their advantage. Conversely, one they’re properly dug in, they USE that mud as a strategic defense against any NATO ground forces moving in. Timing in that is crucial, as you don’t want to dig in too early.
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You are possibly correct, however...

It is also possible that if this goes hot and the Russians invade Ukraine they may not stop at the Polish border. Under such a scenario severe sanctions, even a blockade, would be implemented by Nato. Long term this would put any Russian government at a severe disadvantage if it just sat there. Thus, they may not just sit there at the border.

It is also very likely that some moran in Nato command will think it smart to send ground units into Ukraine. If this happens, then it is war.

Ground conditions are indeed a critical factor. The ice breakup on the rivers cannot be accurately predicted more than 10 days or so as the thawing of the nice soft Ukrainian farmlands. When the thaw hits, major operations will stall (most likely).

15 March ( a famous date) is a good ballpark time when operations would end--give or take a week. As the Russian planners would want operational freedom for a month or so (I would assume) then an attack must come within a couple of weeks. If not, then a wait until mid/late may would be in order.
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Czech is in!

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The U.S has handed over its official response to Russia's proposals on security guarantees, and Moscow has rejected the response as "unacceptable".

So while Russia's remaining Battalion Tactical Groups make their way to the Ukraine border, Putin is holding talks with military leaders with regards to the timing of the invasion.

Option 1: Launch a limited invasion to secure the southern corridor and create a land bridge to Crimea. As Ukraine responds, topple the regime in Kiev before the Beijing Olympics on Feb 4 and replace it with a puppet government that orders the Ukrainian army to stand down and let Russia occupy the south. The new government also signs a law giving full independence to Donbas and Crimea. Putin declares the military operation over and basks in a short, sharp victory.

Option 2: Launch a full-scale invasion to occupy all of Ukraine. The war drags on through and after the Olympics. China's leader Xi Jinping brushes it off as "Russia taking care of its own national security interests". The war drags on for about a year. There are many casualties but the end result is assured. Russian victory, but at a cost.

Option 3: Completely blindside NATO and use the forces positioned to annex Belarus. Ukraine is untouched, and the West is left scratching its head. Putin gives Lukashenko a powerful position as leader within the 'Union State'. Russia then occupies the strategic 'Suwalki Gap' between Poland and Lithuania, effectively severing the Baltic States from the rest of Europe with a Russian 'line of steel'.
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No, no, and no.

Option one solves nothing but adds propaganda munitions to the west.

Option two would be over in 2 weeks unless Nato ground forces move into Ukraine. In that case perhaps a month.

Option 3 would cause immediate war between Russia and the Nato alliance. While this would, at a minimum, be part of a Russian contingency plan (makes sense) as the main operation it solves nothing. If war does come the Baltic nations will be easily captured in time by Russia--it does not have to be the immediate objective.

I'm afraid any fighting will escalate to encompass all of central and western Europe. The only way to stop the Russians will be with tactical nukes--not a good move for humanities health, but one that Biden would love.
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Nice. That will give one artillery battalion enough ammo for 10 days of moderate fighting.

Sort of academic, but still a bold move by the Czechs. If shit gets real, they have thrown down the gauntlet.
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The U.S has handed over its official response to Russia's proposals on security guarantees, and Moscow has rejected the response as "unacceptable".

So while Russia's remaining Battalion Tactical Groups make their way to the Ukraine border, Putin is holding talks with military leaders with regards to the timing of the invasion.

Option 1: Launch a limited invasion to secure the southern corridor and create a land bridge to Crimea. As Ukraine responds, topple the regime in Kiev before the Beijing Olympics on Feb 4 and replace it with a puppet government that orders the Ukrainian army to stand down and let Russia occupy the south. The new government also signs a law giving full independence to Donbas and Crimea. Putin declares the military operation over and basks in a short, sharp victory.

Option 2: Launch a full-scale invasion to occupy all of Ukraine. The war drags on through and after the Olympics. China's leader Xi Jinping brushes it off as "Russia taking care of its own national security interests". The war drags on for about a year. There are many casualties but the end result is assured. Russian victory, but at a cost.

Option 3: Completely blindside NATO and use the forces positioned to annex Belarus. Ukraine is untouched, and the West is left scratching its head. Putin gives Lukashenko a powerful position as leader within the 'Union State'. Russia then occupies the strategic 'Suwalki Gap' between Poland and Lithuania, effectively severing the Baltic States from the rest of Europe with a Russian 'line of steel'.
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No, no, and no.

Option one solves nothing but adds propaganda munitions to the west.

Option two would be over in 2 weeks unless Nato ground forces move into Ukraine. In that case perhaps a month.

Option 3 would cause immediate war between Russia and the Nato alliance. While this would, at a minimum, be part of a Russian contingency plan (makes sense) as the main operation it solves nothing. If war does come the Baltic nations will be easily captured in time by Russia--it does not have to be the immediate objective.

I'm afraid any fighting will escalate to encompass all of central and western Europe. The only way to stop the Russians will be with tactical nukes--not a good move for humanities health, but one that Biden would love.
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Option 3 basically happened about a week ago.
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Ha! I'm glad they are saying something to eliminate speculation about their position.
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Nice. That will give one artillery battalion enough ammo for 10 days of moderate fighting.

Sort of academic, but still a bold move by the Czechs. If shit gets real, they have thrown down the gauntlet.
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Battle lines are being drawn.

Map table time GLP….
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The U.S has handed over its official response to Russia's proposals on security guarantees, and Moscow has rejected the response as "unacceptable".

So while Russia's remaining Battalion Tactical Groups make their way to the Ukraine border, Putin is holding talks with military leaders with regards to the timing of the invasion.

Option 1: Launch a limited invasion to secure the southern corridor and create a land bridge to Crimea. As Ukraine responds, topple the regime in Kiev before the Beijing Olympics on Feb 4 and replace it with a puppet government that orders the Ukrainian army to stand down and let Russia occupy the south. The new government also signs a law giving full independence to Donbas and Crimea. Putin declares the military operation over and basks in a short, sharp victory.

Option 2: Launch a full-scale invasion to occupy all of Ukraine. The war drags on through and after the Olympics. China's leader Xi Jinping brushes it off as "Russia taking care of its own national security interests". The war drags on for about a year. There are many casualties but the end result is assured. Russian victory, but at a cost.

Option 3: Completely blindside NATO and use the forces positioned to annex Belarus. Ukraine is untouched, and the West is left scratching its head. Putin gives Lukashenko a powerful position as leader within the 'Union State'. Russia then occupies the strategic 'Suwalki Gap' between Poland and Lithuania, effectively severing the Baltic States from the rest of Europe with a Russian 'line of steel'.
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No, no, and no.

Option one solves nothing but adds propaganda munitions to the west.

Option two would be over in 2 weeks unless Nato ground forces move into Ukraine. In that case perhaps a month.

Option 3 would cause immediate war between Russia and the Nato alliance. While this would, at a minimum, be part of a Russian contingency plan (makes sense) as the main operation it solves nothing. If war does come the Baltic nations will be easily captured in time by Russia--it does not have to be the immediate objective.

I'm afraid any fighting will escalate to encompass all of central and western Europe. The only way to stop the Russians will be with tactical nukes--not a good move for humanities health, but one that Biden would love.
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Option 3 basically happened about a week ago.
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How would you all see it playing out for a full on nuclear exchange to start? Would battlefield nuke use basically open that door?
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The U.S has handed over its official response to Russia's proposals on security guarantees, and Moscow has rejected the response as "unacceptable".

So while Russia's remaining Battalion Tactical Groups make their way to the Ukraine border, Putin is holding talks with military leaders with regards to the timing of the invasion.

Option 1: Launch a limited invasion to secure the southern corridor and create a land bridge to Crimea. As Ukraine responds, topple the regime in Kiev before the Beijing Olympics on Feb 4 and replace it with a puppet government that orders the Ukrainian army to stand down and let Russia occupy the south. The new government also signs a law giving full independence to Donbas and Crimea. Putin declares the military operation over and basks in a short, sharp victory.

Option 2: Launch a full-scale invasion to occupy all of Ukraine. The war drags on through and after the Olympics. China's leader Xi Jinping brushes it off as "Russia taking care of its own national security interests". The war drags on for about a year. There are many casualties but the end result is assured. Russian victory, but at a cost.

Option 3: Completely blindside NATO and use the forces positioned to annex Belarus. Ukraine is untouched, and the West is left scratching its head. Putin gives Lukashenko a powerful position as leader within the 'Union State'. Russia then occupies the strategic 'Suwalki Gap' between Poland and Lithuania, effectively severing the Baltic States from the rest of Europe with a Russian 'line of steel'.
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No, no, and no.

Option one solves nothing but adds propaganda munitions to the west.

Option two would be over in 2 weeks unless Nato ground forces move into Ukraine. In that case perhaps a month.

Option 3 would cause immediate war between Russia and the Nato alliance. While this would, at a minimum, be part of a Russian contingency plan (makes sense) as the main operation it solves nothing. If war does come the Baltic nations will be easily captured in time by Russia--it does not have to be the immediate objective.

I'm afraid any fighting will escalate to encompass all of central and western Europe. The only way to stop the Russians will be with tactical nukes--not a good move for humanities health, but one that Biden would love.
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Option 3 basically happened about a week ago.
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Russian forces have moved into Belarus, but most certainly not into poland or Lituanina--yet.
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No, no , no , no, no, no.

But let’s talk about it diplomatically.

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The U.S has handed over its official response to Russia's proposals on security guarantees, and Moscow has rejected the response as "unacceptable".

So while Russia's remaining Battalion Tactical Groups make their way to the Ukraine border, Putin is holding talks with military leaders with regards to the timing of the invasion.

Option 1: Launch a limited invasion to secure the southern corridor and create a land bridge to Crimea. As Ukraine responds, topple the regime in Kiev before the Beijing Olympics on Feb 4 and replace it with a puppet government that orders the Ukrainian army to stand down and let Russia occupy the south. The new government also signs a law giving full independence to Donbas and Crimea. Putin declares the military operation over and basks in a short, sharp victory.

Option 2: Launch a full-scale invasion to occupy all of Ukraine. The war drags on through and after the Olympics. China's leader Xi Jinping brushes it off as "Russia taking care of its own national security interests". The war drags on for about a year. There are many casualties but the end result is assured. Russian victory, but at a cost.

Option 3: Completely blindside NATO and use the forces positioned to annex Belarus. Ukraine is untouched, and the West is left scratching its head. Putin gives Lukashenko a powerful position as leader within the 'Union State'. Russia then occupies the strategic 'Suwalki Gap' between Poland and Lithuania, effectively severing the Baltic States from the rest of Europe with a Russian 'line of steel'.
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No, no, and no.

Option one solves nothing but adds propaganda munitions to the west.

Option two would be over in 2 weeks unless Nato ground forces move into Ukraine. In that case perhaps a month.

Option 3 would cause immediate war between Russia and the Nato alliance. While this would, at a minimum, be part of a Russian contingency plan (makes sense) as the main operation it solves nothing. If war does come the Baltic nations will be easily captured in time by Russia--it does not have to be the immediate objective.

I'm afraid any fighting will escalate to encompass all of central and western Europe. The only way to stop the Russians will be with tactical nukes--not a good move for humanities health, but one that Biden would love.
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Option 3 basically happened about a week ago.
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How would you all see it playing out for a full on nuclear exchange to start? Would battlefield nuke use basically open that door?
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Great to see you Godzilla.

Excellent question!

Not sure how many of these smaller nukes have been used in the past, and have no idea what would happen if used now.

Does depleted uranium count?

I will not be surprised if war comes to US soil.
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I don’t believe Turkey for a second.

Didn’t we just get into a spat with them over our nuclear weapons that are stationed there?


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Now appears the coup in Burkina Faso is Russian-influenced. The confrontation between Russia and the West TRULY is becoming a global one
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