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Lacey Underall
 User ID: 80068884  United States04/01/2021 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tell me, at what point did George Floyd tell the officers that he had ingested lethal amounts of fentanyl? Quoting: <~> Fentanyl is really strong morphine correct? Did it look like George Floyd had ingested a lot of really strong morphine??? His skin would have been cold and clammy a sign that at least one of the officers should have identified...yes? Floyd was complaining about trouble breathing while he was still standing up, a sign of Fentanyl overdose. Floyd resisted getting into the police car, that's why they were detaining him on the ground until the transportation wagon arrived. If he would have gotten into the police car when he was told to, the officer could have taken him to the hospital before jail and had him checked out. Last Edited by StopsniffinmeBrandon on 04/01/2021 11:03 AM |
| Lacey Underall
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| SonyaDV
User ID: 80064536 United States04/01/2021 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NO neck injuries, NO trauma of any kind on his body. But tons of drugs in him enough to kill three people. And he had Covid. Quoting: telling it straight Read it yourself. George Floyd actual autopsy report: [link to www.hennepin.us (secure)] Excellent article by Ann Coulter about this: [link to townhall.com (secure)] So can I come over and put my knee on your neck for 9 minutes.... Dumbass. The optics of that are horrible (to me anyway) but then I think- what were they supposed to do dealing with a huge man on drugs who was determined to resist, as they waited for an ambulance. Maybe he would have run out into traffic or something irrational and harmful. I am not trying to justify the cop's action as the optimal one- I am just wondering what would have been proper and acceptable. It seems like cops don't really have proper training- but then maybe I expect super hero stuff? SonyaDV |
| SafeandSound
User ID: 78729715 United States04/01/2021 10:59 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the media LIED to us. They said it was racism that killed him. Now the facts say it was something else. Quoting: SafeandSound No, you don’t get it ALL POCs eventually die of racism direct or indirect. This was a simple mistake of indirect obfuscation due to racist Trumpism, and he died of racism. It wasn’t a knee on the neck it was an all pervasive, systemic system. That sounds like a direct quote from a liberal college professor. Thanks for informing me about the systemic systematic racist homicides. |
| SonyaDV
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| Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States04/01/2021 11:00 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s funny how they keep spinning you back to what the cop did... Quoting: <~> 1. The man had 3 times the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. THATS IT.... CASE CLOSED.... Let’s take this away from Floyd and fentanyl.... A man grabs a power line and receives 3 times the lethal amount of electricity. Alive or Dead? A man gets a shot and receives 3 times the lethal amount of oxygen in his blood stream. Alive or Dead? A man drinks 3 times the lethal amount of acid. Alive or Dead? A man allergic to peanuts receives 3 times the lethal amount. Alive or Dead? Stop letting them move the argument to the cop, focus on the amount of LETHAL DRUGS THIS MAN HAD IN HIS SYSTEM.... Its real simple. When your heart and lungs are stopped, you are clinically dead. Now if you are kept cold enough, you might be clinincally dead for an hour, then rewarmed and revived. The doctor is not some magical arbiter of death. George was still breathing and his heart was still pumping when they decided to arrest him. It stopped while under their tender and merciful care. They continued to sit on the guy as he expired. You aren't the one that closes the case. The judges and ultimately the vast hoards of pissed off citizens are. So all those people would be dead but not Floyd right? Hahahahaha No one believes your bullshit ;) Look, let's say he was in the process of dying from an OD. He is cuffed and on the ground unconscious. What possible reason is there for the cop to remain perched on top of George? He should have immediately gotten off the guy. And being the perceptive and caring officer that we all hope he is, he checks the man's vitals. If he notices the guy is in the process of dying, he gets on his radio and begs for an ambulance. He tries to start CPR if the heart has stopped. If he thinks the guy took an overdose of something and he has a shot that might fix the guy, he admisters the shot. Or if the ambulance is 30 seconds away, he puts the guy in a recovery position of some sort. I understand that cops have to make split second decisions all the time. I could not do that job. A lot of people can't do that job. I feel taht the cop should be given some leeway typically. But this was visibly flagrant abuse. And if other cops actually support what he did, then god help us. Last Edited by JustmeTX on 04/01/2021 11:00 AM Justme |
Lady Jayne Smith
Forum Administrator 04/01/2021 11:03 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People here have been breathing all their lives, yet have no idea how it works. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi I can simply load weight onto a person's torso and they will wear out and stop breathing. Dead. No signs of any trauma. Just a video of a bunch of guys piled onto a guy until he goes limp and then they stay there for several minutes ... Why?? The guy is motionless, cuffed, on the ground, surrounded by cops. Why are you still on top of the man? The people around the victim pleading for the cop to get off him. The cop was either super low IQ, or he wanted to kill the guy. Not sure which, but I guess that only changes whether it was manslaughter or murder. But it was definitely one or the other. Up to the jury to decide which. When you arrest someone, you are now responsible for their life. Even if they are dying from drugs, you have a duty to render aid. That aid does not include keeping him pinned down with your weight impeding his ablity to breathe or to circulate blood. And if history is any indication, there will be a lot of violence if people feel that justice has not been carried out. Having a cop sit casually on the man's neck or back while he drew his last breath and died is incredibly bad. If anyone doesn't understand that, I guess they will be very surprised when the country goes up in flames. So the lethal amounts of Fentanyl in his system that he ingested had nothign to do with his problems breathing? How many times did the guy say "I'm gonna die" and "I can't breathe" before he even went to the ground? How do you not understand the duty to render aid? How do you not understand that nothing is black and white in life. Actions contribute to results. Like having 300 lbs of cops leaning on your lungs or neck. How do you not understand that once a guy is handcuffed and proned out, you get off the man? And you check his vitals and render some form of CPR if indicated? Maybe you will understand how bad the actions of that cop were after the rioting kills a bunch of people and causes billions in damage? So, is that a threat?????? Murdering innocent people, burning innocent people's businesses is the answer? I guess you are one of those who wants a civil war? Ever see anyone die? Ever see them die in war? You think it will be glamorous and glorious? Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A  |
| Lady Jayne Smith
Forum Administrator 04/01/2021 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s funny how they keep spinning you back to what the cop did... Quoting: <~> 1. The man had 3 times the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. THATS IT.... CASE CLOSED.... Let’s take this away from Floyd and fentanyl.... A man grabs a power line and receives 3 times the lethal amount of electricity. Alive or Dead? A man gets a shot and receives 3 times the lethal amount of oxygen in his blood stream. Alive or Dead? A man drinks 3 times the lethal amount of acid. Alive or Dead? A man allergic to peanuts receives 3 times the lethal amount. Alive or Dead? Stop letting them move the argument to the cop, focus on the amount of LETHAL DRUGS THIS MAN HAD IN HIS SYSTEM.... It's real simple. When your heart and lungs are stopped, you are clinically dead. Now if you are kept cold enough, you might be clinincally dead for an hour, then rewarmed and revived. The doctor is not some magical arbiter of death. George was still breathing and his heart was still pumping when they decided to arrest him. It stopped while under their tender and merciful care. They continued to sit on the guy as he expired. You aren't the one that closes the case. The judges and ultimately the vast hoards of pissed off citizens are. Careful -- lest karma make you the victim of mob rule. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
| Sardonic Dadaist
User ID: 79791218 United States04/01/2021 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They found drugs in his system. Quoting: Serpentine Green Certain drugs can remain in the system well past the users 'high' - for days and weeks even. This will get discussed later when they get around to the autopsy findings. The fentanyl was at 3 times a lethal dose if he was coming down from that did he take 10 times the lethal dose? Meth and opioids are removed from the system quickly usually 24 to 48 hours. Seeker 2 |
| Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States04/01/2021 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People here have been breathing all their lives, yet have no idea how it works. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi I can simply load weight onto a person's torso and they will wear out and stop breathing. Dead. No signs of any trauma. Just a video of a bunch of guys piled onto a guy until he goes limp and then they stay there for several minutes ... Why?? The guy is motionless, cuffed, on the ground, surrounded by cops. Why are you still on top of the man? The people around the victim pleading for the cop to get off him. The cop was either super low IQ, or he wanted to kill the guy. Not sure which, but I guess that only changes whether it was manslaughter or murder. But it was definitely one or the other. Up to the jury to decide which. When you arrest someone, you are now responsible for their life. Even if they are dying from drugs, you have a duty to render aid. That aid does not include keeping him pinned down with your weight impeding his ablity to breathe or to circulate blood. And if history is any indication, there will be a lot of violence if people feel that justice has not been carried out. Having a cop sit casually on the man's neck or back while he drew his last breath and died is incredibly bad. If anyone doesn't understand that, I guess they will be very surprised when the country goes up in flames. So the lethal amounts of Fentanyl in his system that he ingested had nothign to do with his problems breathing? How many times did the guy say "I'm gonna die" and "I can't breathe" before he even went to the ground? How do you not understand the duty to render aid? How do you not understand that nothing is black and white in life. Actions contribute to results. Like having 300 lbs of cops leaning on your lungs or neck. How do you not understand that once a guy is handcuffed and proned out, you get off the man? And you check his vitals and render some form of CPR if indicated? Maybe you will understand how bad the actions of that cop were after the rioting kills a bunch of people and causes billions in damage? So, is that a threat?????? Murdering innocent people, burning innocent people's businesses is the answer? I guess you are one of those who wants a civil war? Ever see anyone die? Ever see them die in war? You think it will be glamorous and glorious? Of course it is not a threat. Just predicting based upon previous observations. Sorry for the imprecise wording. Justme |
| Serpentine Green
User ID: 78689367 United States04/01/2021 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tell me, at what point did George Floyd tell the officers that he had ingested lethal amounts of fentanyl? Quoting: <~> Fentanyl is really strong morphine correct? Did it look like George Floyd had ingested a lot of really strong morphine??? His skin would have been cold and clammy a sign that at least one of the officers should have identified...yes? Floyd was complaining about trouble breathing while he was still standing up, a sign of Fentanyl overdose. Floyd resisted getting into the police car, that's why they were detaining him on the ground until the transportation wagon arrived. If he would have gotten into the police car when he was told to, the officer could have taken him to the hospital before jail and had him checked out. They had him in the vehicle. Apparently three or four of them couldn't keep a man who had taken a lot of really strong morphine there. Serpentine Green |
| Lacey Underall
User ID: 80068884 United States04/01/2021 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People here have been breathing all their lives, yet have no idea how it works. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi I can simply load weight onto a person's torso and they will wear out and stop breathing. Dead. No signs of any trauma. Just a video of a bunch of guys piled onto a guy until he goes limp and then they stay there for several minutes ... Why?? The guy is motionless, cuffed, on the ground, surrounded by cops. Why are you still on top of the man? The people around the victim pleading for the cop to get off him. The cop was either super low IQ, or he wanted to kill the guy. Not sure which, but I guess that only changes whether it was manslaughter or murder. But it was definitely one or the other. Up to the jury to decide which. When you arrest someone, you are now responsible for their life. Even if they are dying from drugs, you have a duty to render aid. That aid does not include keeping him pinned down with your weight impeding his ablity to breathe or to circulate blood. And if history is any indication, there will be a lot of violence if people feel that justice has not been carried out. Having a cop sit casually on the man's neck or back while he drew his last breath and died is incredibly bad. If anyone doesn't understand that, I guess they will be very surprised when the country goes up in flames. So the lethal amounts of Fentanyl in his system that he ingested had nothign to do with his problems breathing? How many times did the guy say "I'm gonna die" and "I can't breathe" before he even went to the ground? How do you not understand the duty to render aid? How do you not understand that nothing is black and white in life. Actions contribute to results. Like having 300 lbs of cops leaning on your lungs or neck. How do you not understand that once a guy is handcuffed and proned out, you get off the man? And you check his vitals and render some form of CPR if indicated? Maybe you will understand how bad the actions of that cop were after the rioting kills a bunch of people and causes billions in damage? You mean how the actions of "left wing" politics and media are using a situation to inflame racial tension and divide in our country? A classic Marxist technique. And people who believe and follow it, are weak-minded tools. |
| Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States04/01/2021 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s funny how they keep spinning you back to what the cop did... Quoting: <~> 1. The man had 3 times the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. THATS IT.... CASE CLOSED.... Let’s take this away from Floyd and fentanyl.... A man grabs a power line and receives 3 times the lethal amount of electricity. Alive or Dead? A man gets a shot and receives 3 times the lethal amount of oxygen in his blood stream. Alive or Dead? A man drinks 3 times the lethal amount of acid. Alive or Dead? A man allergic to peanuts receives 3 times the lethal amount. Alive or Dead? Stop letting them move the argument to the cop, focus on the amount of LETHAL DRUGS THIS MAN HAD IN HIS SYSTEM.... It's real simple. When your heart and lungs are stopped, you are clinically dead. Now if you are kept cold enough, you might be clinincally dead for an hour, then rewarmed and revived. The doctor is not some magical arbiter of death. George was still breathing and his heart was still pumping when they decided to arrest him. It stopped while under their tender and merciful care. They continued to sit on the guy as he expired. You aren't the one that closes the case. The judges and ultimately the vast hoards of pissed off citizens are. Careful -- lest karma make you the victim of mob rule. Is THAT a threat?? :) Justme |
| Sardonic Dadaist
User ID: 79791218 United States04/01/2021 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s funny how they keep spinning you back to what the cop did... Quoting: <~> 1. The man had 3 times the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. THATS IT.... CASE CLOSED.... Let’s take this away from Floyd and fentanyl.... A man grabs a power line and receives 3 times the lethal amount of electricity. Alive or Dead? A man gets a shot and receives 3 times the lethal amount of oxygen in his blood stream. Alive or Dead? A man drinks 3 times the lethal amount of acid. Alive or Dead? A man allergic to peanuts receives 3 times the lethal amount. Alive or Dead? Stop letting them move the argument to the cop, focus on the amount of LETHAL DRUGS THIS MAN HAD IN HIS SYSTEM.... It's real simple. When your heart and lungs are stopped, you are clinically dead. Now if you are kept cold enough, you might be clinincally dead for an hour, then rewarmed and revived. The doctor is not some magical arbiter of death. George was still breathing and his heart was still pumping when they decided to arrest him. It stopped while under their tender and merciful care. They continued to sit on the guy as he expired. You aren't the one that closes the case. The judges and ultimately the vast hoards of pissed off citizens are. Careful -- lest karma make you the victim of mob rule. Agree and to the above quote the only ones closing cases are the jury. That’s how the system works. As far as the mobs burn the cities all of them that’s why I live in an area with like minded people that all know how to end mobs. By the way has any black riot ever changed anything other than further isolating them and crashing housing prices so generational homes can be scooped up and gentrified? Seeker 2 |
| Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States04/01/2021 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People here have been breathing all their lives, yet have no idea how it works. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi I can simply load weight onto a person's torso and they will wear out and stop breathing. Dead. No signs of any trauma. Just a video of a bunch of guys piled onto a guy until he goes limp and then they stay there for several minutes ... Why?? The guy is motionless, cuffed, on the ground, surrounded by cops. Why are you still on top of the man? The people around the victim pleading for the cop to get off him. The cop was either super low IQ, or he wanted to kill the guy. Not sure which, but I guess that only changes whether it was manslaughter or murder. But it was definitely one or the other. Up to the jury to decide which. When you arrest someone, you are now responsible for their life. Even if they are dying from drugs, you have a duty to render aid. That aid does not include keeping him pinned down with your weight impeding his ablity to breathe or to circulate blood. And if history is any indication, there will be a lot of violence if people feel that justice has not been carried out. Having a cop sit casually on the man's neck or back while he drew his last breath and died is incredibly bad. If anyone doesn't understand that, I guess they will be very surprised when the country goes up in flames. So the lethal amounts of Fentanyl in his system that he ingested had nothign to do with his problems breathing? How many times did the guy say "I'm gonna die" and "I can't breathe" before he even went to the ground? How do you not understand the duty to render aid? How do you not understand that nothing is black and white in life. Actions contribute to results. Like having 300 lbs of cops leaning on your lungs or neck. How do you not understand that once a guy is handcuffed and proned out, you get off the man? And you check his vitals and render some form of CPR if indicated? Maybe you will understand how bad the actions of that cop were after the rioting kills a bunch of people and causes billions in damage? You mean how the actions of "left wing" politics and media are using a situation to inflame racial tension and divide in our country? A classic Marxist technique. And people who believe and follow it, are weak-minded tools. Yes. That. And also, people that give them an excuse to behave that way. Justme |
| Lacey Underall
User ID: 80068884 United States04/01/2021 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tell me, at what point did George Floyd tell the officers that he had ingested lethal amounts of fentanyl? Quoting: <~> Fentanyl is really strong morphine correct? Did it look like George Floyd had ingested a lot of really strong morphine??? His skin would have been cold and clammy a sign that at least one of the officers should have identified...yes? Floyd was complaining about trouble breathing while he was still standing up, a sign of Fentanyl overdose. Floyd resisted getting into the police car, that's why they were detaining him on the ground until the transportation wagon arrived. If he would have gotten into the police car when he was told to, the officer could have taken him to the hospital before jail and had him checked out. They had him in the vehicle. Apparently three or four of them couldn't keep a man who had taken a lot of really strong morphine there. You think that the 4 officers were going to sit on him all the way to hospital? He did not want to be in the car, and would have, at minimum, kicked out the windows on the way, and someone his size could have kicked the entire door off if he wanted to. |
| Sardonic Dadaist
User ID: 79791218 United States04/01/2021 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tell me, at what point did George Floyd tell the officers that he had ingested lethal amounts of fentanyl? Quoting: <~> Fentanyl is really strong morphine correct? Did it look like George Floyd had ingested a lot of really strong morphine??? His skin would have been cold and clammy a sign that at least one of the officers should have identified...yes? Floyd was complaining about trouble breathing while he was still standing up, a sign of Fentanyl overdose. Floyd resisted getting into the police car, that's why they were detaining him on the ground until the transportation wagon arrived. If he would have gotten into the police car when he was told to, the officer could have taken him to the hospital before jail and had him checked out. They had him in the vehicle. Apparently three or four of them couldn't keep a man who had taken a lot of really strong morphine there. He requested to be put on the ground multiple times while he was kicking at the cops, the crowd has yelling he is claustrophobic. He also said he was claustrophobic and ask the cops to put him on the ground. They put him on the ground discussing excited delirium, called an ambulance and followed their training to restrain and keep him as calm as possible until the ambulance arrived. Seeker 2 |
| Serpentine Green
User ID: 78689367 United States04/01/2021 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Serpentine Green Fentanyl is really strong morphine correct? Did it look like George Floyd had ingested a lot of really strong morphine??? His skin would have been cold and clammy a sign that at least one of the officers should have identified...yes? Floyd was complaining about trouble breathing while he was still standing up, a sign of Fentanyl overdose. Floyd resisted getting into the police car, that's why they were detaining him on the ground until the transportation wagon arrived. If he would have gotten into the police car when he was told to, the officer could have taken him to the hospital before jail and had him checked out. They had him in the vehicle. Apparently three or four of them couldn't keep a man who had taken a lot of really strong morphine there. You think that the 4 officers were going to sit on him all the way to hospital? He did not want to be in the car, and would have, at minimum, kicked out the windows on the way, and someone his size could have kicked the entire door off if he wanted to. No, all they had to do was wait for the EMTs. Everyone cuffed inside a car or cruiser doesn't want to be there. Serpentine Green |
| Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States04/01/2021 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Serpentine Green Fentanyl is really strong morphine correct? Did it look like George Floyd had ingested a lot of really strong morphine??? His skin would have been cold and clammy a sign that at least one of the officers should have identified...yes? Floyd was complaining about trouble breathing while he was still standing up, a sign of Fentanyl overdose. Floyd resisted getting into the police car, that's why they were detaining him on the ground until the transportation wagon arrived. If he would have gotten into the police car when he was told to, the officer could have taken him to the hospital before jail and had him checked out. They had him in the vehicle. Apparently three or four of them couldn't keep a man who had taken a lot of really strong morphine there. You think that the 4 officers were going to sit on him all the way to hospital? He did not want to be in the car, and would have, at minimum, kicked out the windows on the way, and someone his size could have kicked the entire door off if he wanted to. They had strap restraints on the gurney. They transport out of control people all the time. Actually, I suggest they get a special tilt bed pickup truck for difficult to transport people. just tilt the bed up, lean the prisoner against the bed, chain/padlock him to a big padeye. then tilt the bed back to level. Should make it simple to transport big dangerous prisoners without ending up killing them in the process. Anyway, I am just annoying everyone here apparently and have other stuff to do today. I'll leave you all to your thread. Last Edited by JustmeTX on 04/01/2021 11:23 AM Justme |
| Serpentine Green
User ID: 78689367 United States04/01/2021 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Serpentine Green Fentanyl is really strong morphine correct? Did it look like George Floyd had ingested a lot of really strong morphine??? His skin would have been cold and clammy a sign that at least one of the officers should have identified...yes? Floyd was complaining about trouble breathing while he was still standing up, a sign of Fentanyl overdose. Floyd resisted getting into the police car, that's why they were detaining him on the ground until the transportation wagon arrived. If he would have gotten into the police car when he was told to, the officer could have taken him to the hospital before jail and had him checked out. They had him in the vehicle. Apparently three or four of them couldn't keep a man who had taken a lot of really strong morphine there. He requested to be put on the ground multiple times while he was kicking at the cops, the crowd has yelling he is claustrophobic. He also said he was claustrophobic and ask the cops to put him on the ground. They put him on the ground discussing excited delirium, called an ambulance and followed their training to restrain and keep him as calm as possible until the ambulance arrived. Since when does a cuffed and non-complying suspect get his way?? Serpentine Green |
| Sardonic Dadaist
User ID: 79791218 United States04/01/2021 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People here have been breathing all their lives, yet have no idea how it works. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi I can simply load weight onto a person's torso and they will wear out and stop breathing. Dead. No signs of any trauma. Just a video of a bunch of guys piled onto a guy until he goes limp and then they stay there for several minutes ... Why?? The guy is motionless, cuffed, on the ground, surrounded by cops. Why are you still on top of the man? The people around the victim pleading for the cop to get off him. The cop was either super low IQ, or he wanted to kill the guy. Not sure which, but I guess that only changes whether it was manslaughter or murder. But it was definitely one or the other. Up to the jury to decide which. When you arrest someone, you are now responsible for their life. Even if they are dying from drugs, you have a duty to render aid. That aid does not include keeping him pinned down with your weight impeding his ablity to breathe or to circulate blood. And if history is any indication, there will be a lot of violence if people feel that justice has not been carried out. Having a cop sit casually on the man's neck or back while he drew his last breath and died is incredibly bad. If anyone doesn't understand that, I guess they will be very surprised when the country goes up in flames. So the lethal amounts of Fentanyl in his system that he ingested had nothign to do with his problems breathing? How many times did the guy say "I'm gonna die" and "I can't breathe" before he even went to the ground? How do you not understand the duty to render aid? How do you not understand that nothing is black and white in life. Actions contribute to results. Like having 300 lbs of cops leaning on your lungs or neck. How do you not understand that once a guy is handcuffed and proned out, you get off the man? And you check his vitals and render some form of CPR if indicated? Maybe you will understand how bad the actions of that cop were after the rioting kills a bunch of people and causes billions in damage? Also do cops have a duty to render aid beyond calling the EMTs? I honestly don’t know. Seeker 2 |
| Lacey Underall
User ID: 80068884 United States04/01/2021 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People here have been breathing all their lives, yet have no idea how it works. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi I can simply load weight onto a person's torso and they will wear out and stop breathing. Dead. No signs of any trauma. Just a video of a bunch of guys piled onto a guy until he goes limp and then they stay there for several minutes ... Why?? The guy is motionless, cuffed, on the ground, surrounded by cops. Why are you still on top of the man? The people around the victim pleading for the cop to get off him. The cop was either super low IQ, or he wanted to kill the guy. Not sure which, but I guess that only changes whether it was manslaughter or murder. But it was definitely one or the other. Up to the jury to decide which. When you arrest someone, you are now responsible for their life. Even if they are dying from drugs, you have a duty to render aid. That aid does not include keeping him pinned down with your weight impeding his ablity to breathe or to circulate blood. And if history is any indication, there will be a lot of violence if people feel that justice has not been carried out. Having a cop sit casually on the man's neck or back while he drew his last breath and died is incredibly bad. If anyone doesn't understand that, I guess they will be very surprised when the country goes up in flames. So the lethal amounts of Fentanyl in his system that he ingested had nothign to do with his problems breathing? How many times did the guy say "I'm gonna die" and "I can't breathe" before he even went to the ground? How do you not understand the duty to render aid? How do you not understand that nothing is black and white in life. Actions contribute to results. Like having 300 lbs of cops leaning on your lungs or neck. How do you not understand that once a guy is handcuffed and proned out, you get off the man? And you check his vitals and render some form of CPR if indicated? Maybe you will understand how bad the actions of that cop were after the rioting kills a bunch of people and causes billions in damage? Also do cops have a duty to render aid beyond calling the EMTs? I honestly don’t know. Probably depends on individual state law. Normally, calling for EMS, IS rendering aid. |
| Sardonic Dadaist
User ID: 79791218 United States04/01/2021 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Lacey Underall Floyd was complaining about trouble breathing while he was still standing up, a sign of Fentanyl overdose. Floyd resisted getting into the police car, that's why they were detaining him on the ground until the transportation wagon arrived. If he would have gotten into the police car when he was told to, the officer could have taken him to the hospital before jail and had him checked out. They had him in the vehicle. Apparently three or four of them couldn't keep a man who had taken a lot of really strong morphine there. He requested to be put on the ground multiple times while he was kicking at the cops, the crowd has yelling he is claustrophobic. He also said he was claustrophobic and ask the cops to put him on the ground. They put him on the ground discussing excited delirium, called an ambulance and followed their training to restrain and keep him as calm as possible until the ambulance arrived. Since when does a cuffed and non-complying suspect get his way?? When a mob is forming videoing in a town that has had several riots months before. I think they just thought we’re going to quit fighting and pass him to the ambulance and be done with this whole S show. I have no idea but the full 24 minute body cam shows a lot more of what happened. Also the street surveillance cam gives a overview, but no audio. I do wish they were not on him, but what no one is talking about is cops across America are trained to do that. Is there one voice fighting to change the training and use of that technique? I guess we are just waiting for round two... Seeker 2 |
| Sardonic Dadaist
User ID: 79791218 United States04/01/2021 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: MrGueermo So the lethal amounts of Fentanyl in his system that he ingested had nothign to do with his problems breathing? How many times did the guy say "I'm gonna die" and "I can't breathe" before he even went to the ground? How do you not understand the duty to render aid? How do you not understand that nothing is black and white in life. Actions contribute to results. Like having 300 lbs of cops leaning on your lungs or neck. How do you not understand that once a guy is handcuffed and proned out, you get off the man? And you check his vitals and render some form of CPR if indicated? Maybe you will understand how bad the actions of that cop were after the rioting kills a bunch of people and causes billions in damage? Also do cops have a duty to render aid beyond calling the EMTs? I honestly don’t know. Probably depends on individual state law. Normally, calling for EMS, IS rendering aid. I do know it’s been established that they have no duty to protect the public, or prevent crime. Found that out researching the last few days. Their motto is serve and protect, but they have no legal duty to protect anyone. Seeker 2 |
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User ID: 78042016 04/01/2021 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s funny how they keep spinning you back to what the cop did... Quoting: <~> 1. The man had 3 times the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. THATS IT.... CASE CLOSED.... Let’s take this away from Floyd and fentanyl.... A man grabs a power line and receives 3 times the lethal amount of electricity. Alive or Dead? A man gets a shot and receives 3 times the lethal amount of oxygen in his blood stream. Alive or Dead? A man drinks 3 times the lethal amount of acid. Alive or Dead? A man allergic to peanuts receives 3 times the lethal amount. Alive or Dead? Stop letting them move the argument to the cop, focus on the amount of LETHAL DRUGS THIS MAN HAD IN HIS SYSTEM.... Its real simple. When your heart and lungs are stopped, you are clinically dead. Now if you are kept cold enough, you might be clinincally dead for an hour, then rewarmed and revived. The doctor is not some magical arbiter of death. George was still breathing and his heart was still pumping when they decided to arrest him. It stopped while under their tender and merciful care. They continued to sit on the guy as he expired. You aren't the one that closes the case. The judges and ultimately the vast hoards of pissed off citizens are. So all those people would be dead but not Floyd right? Hahahahaha No one believes your bullshit ;) Look, let's say he was in the process of dying from an OD. He is cuffed and on the ground unconscious. What possible reason is there for the cop to remain perched on top of George? He should have immediately gotten off the guy. And being the perceptive and caring officer that we all hope he is, he checks the man's vitals. If he notices the guy is in the process of dying, he gets on his radio and begs for an ambulance. He tries to start CPR if the heart has stopped. If he thinks the guy took an overdose of something and he has a shot that might fix the guy, he admisters the shot. Or if the ambulance is 30 seconds away, he puts the guy in a recovery position of some sort. I understand that cops have to make split second decisions all the time. I could not do that job. A lot of people can't do that job. I feel taht the cop should be given some leeway typically. But this was visibly flagrant abuse. And if other cops actually support what he did, then god help us. Are you high? If you admit he was going to OD, then YES, they should have remained on top of him. They could have let him up and he could have killed MANY MORE.... If you admit he had 3x the lethal dose, and you admit he told no one, then he suicided himself. Plain and simple... If someone is willing to suicide themselves, then YES, 100% they need to be kept IN CONTROL so that they don’t kill anyone else... The ONLY way I’ll put ANY blame on the officer is if Floyd admitted he had ingested illegal drugs... Did Floyd admit at anytime that he had ingested lethal amounts of any drug? |
| Serpentine Green
User ID: 78689367 United States04/01/2021 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Serpentine Green They had him in the vehicle. Apparently three or four of them couldn't keep a man who had taken a lot of really strong morphine there. He requested to be put on the ground multiple times while he was kicking at the cops, the crowd has yelling he is claustrophobic. He also said he was claustrophobic and ask the cops to put him on the ground. They put him on the ground discussing excited delirium, called an ambulance and followed their training to restrain and keep him as calm as possible until the ambulance arrived. Since when does a cuffed and non-complying suspect get his way?? When a mob is forming videoing in a town that has had several riots months before. I think they just thought we’re going to quit fighting and pass him to the ambulance and be done with this whole S show. I have no idea but the full 24 minute body cam shows a lot more of what happened. Also the street surveillance cam gives a overview, but no audio. I do wish they were not on him, but what no one is talking about is cops across America are trained to do that. Is there one voice fighting to change the training and use of that technique? I guess we are just waiting for round two... mob? Serpentine Green |
| The Starbuckian
User ID: 69654501 United States04/01/2021 12:09 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "No life-threatening injuries identified — Quoting: Frank Crow “A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae “B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal structures “C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries “D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column injuries, or visceral injuries “E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks negative for occult trauma” From the autopsy report listed at the beginning of this thread, he was at risk of heart attack, and should not have been self-medicating with methamphetamine or even caffeine. "90% proximal narrowing of the right coronary artery" I'm not sure what else this artery services, but it sounds like he was enjoying a wild lifestyle, that would have caught up with him sooner rather than later Also curious about all the small scars that were found on his wrists. I wonder what the story was, behind all them. Being restrained for the purpose of saving his life, regardless of whatever crime he had committed, would make sense to me. But, he was likely too bull-headed to understand that, which is consistent with the drugs that were in his system. “Queen Sarah, save us from the Black Dog King!” - from the play, Dissocia [link to tasaonline.org.au (secure)] "Never be anyone's French poodle." - Mr Hamilton |
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User ID: 78042016 04/01/2021 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take the cop out of it and you have 2 key facts... 1. Floyd ingested 3 times the lethal amount of fentanyl. 2. Floyd told NO ONE that he ingested lethal amounts of a drug. 365 days a year you would call that suicide by OD. The person took lethal amounts of a drug, the person told NO ONE. What am I missing here? Lol You can cry and cry all you want about the cop, but I personally don’t see how that makes any difference. Also, has anyone checked the other amounts for their lethal rate? Was fentanyl the only lethal amount in his system? He also had meth in his system... I sure hope I don’t go look at his autopsy report and find that he also had lethal amounts of meth.... hmmm |
| Friends Matter
User ID: 75687675  Canada04/01/2021 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THE EVIDENCE WONT MATTER... BLACKS WILL BE BLACKING... THEY ALREADY HAVE THE STORES THEY WANT TO LOOT ALL PICKED OUT ALREADY ACROSS THE NATION... IF I WAS A BUSSINESS OWNER I WOULD EMPTY MY STORE OUT NOW...BOARD THE PLACE UP...AND GO TO AN AREA WHERE THIS ISNT ALLOWED... LIKE THAT STATE THAT JUST PASSED A LAW SAYING BUSSINESS OWNERS CAN SHOOT ND KILL AND DEFEND AGAINST LOOTERS... Friendship isn't about whom you have known the longest...Its about who walked into your life and said...I am here for you. |
| Lacey Underall
User ID: 80068884 United States04/01/2021 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THE EVIDENCE WONT MATTER... Quoting: Friends Matter BLACKS WILL BE BLACKING... THEY ALREADY HAVE THE STORES THEY WANT TO LOOT ALL PICKED OUT ALREADY ACROSS THE NATION... IF I WAS A BUSSINESS OWNER I WOULD EMPTY MY STORE OUT NOW...BOARD THE PLACE UP...AND GO TO AN AREA WHERE THIS ISNT ALLOWED... LIKE THAT STATE THAT JUST PASSED A LAW SAYING BUSSINESS OWNERS CAN SHOOT ND KILL AND DEFEND AGAINST LOOTERS...  |
