ELON MUSK: "This Will Happen Next" - Re: UBI | |
John Locke
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FeralOne
User ID: 80184047 United States 04/01/2021 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It brings up an interesting challenge that needs more thought and discussion! A basic no-frills income could replace all welfare and people could work for everything they want beyond that. One problem from a governmental perspective is that it's very hard to control people who have free time. The idea has some merit, but the bureaucrats and politicians need to be reined in forcefully. Otherwise, it's ripe for abuse. IMHO, we need to get rid of the wasteful programs first. There needs to be productivity via people and/or automation if we're to have any economy at all. |
FeralOne
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G3
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vEyeSea
User ID: 78112163 United States 04/01/2021 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To learn who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize. When the government is wrong, it's dangerous to be right. The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant. -Robspierre |
Johnny Be Good
User ID: 80201858 United Kingdom 04/01/2021 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is one of the key models/concepts they are invested in - but they will never let you know that. That the NWO is akin to the creation of the first multicellular 'creature' - from the amalgamation of formerly free living single celled bacteria. The Rockefeller Foundation has recognized and is supporting this process of solutions and resilience in its 100 Resilient Cities project (RC100). Its stated mission is: Helping cities around the world become more resilient to the physical, social, and economic challenges that are a growing part of the 21st century. My city, Honolulu, was appointed in the 3rd cohort of RC100, and we are fortunate that cities such as Oakland, California, two years ahead of us in the first cohort, can help us design our own mission as we clearly share many of the same problems from homelessness to rising seas. Oakland, in its two-year report, says: “A key action of the Resilient Oakland playbook is to develop principles for community engagement in Oakland…The ‘secret sauce’ of Oakland is rooted in our people and the 75 neighborhoods they shape…Diversity is a source of economic vitality for many Oakland businesses. Small businesses represent the foundation of Oakland’s local economy, with 90 percent of businesses in Oakland employing less than 20 people. These businesses face challenges, such as rising commercial rents, increasing gentrification, and recent overall economic stagnation. Given that many of the City’s small businesses are also located in low-income, minority-based neighborhoods, protecting the viability of these businesses is also a matter of equity and social justice.” To restate my case, cities are the most promising human-created living entities able not only to solve their internal problems, but to lead the way in evolving humanity to its second and this time global wave of maturity. Oakland’s report demonstrates the language of mature cooperative problem solving and Oakland is clearly drawing on its creative diversity as it works hard to rehabilitate its neighborhoods, support local economy and improve its self-governance. That is exactly what is now demanded of us all as we must navigate this perfect storm of crises we humans have created. Increasingly severe natural disasters due to climate change, the growing refugee crisis due to both climate change and the persisting horrors of competitive warfare, the many problems resulting from an extreme wealth gap, are all inescapable now. We are caught in these stormy waters,................... cont. [link to www.scienceandnonduality.com (secure)] Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. |
Ulam
User ID: 79746718 United States 04/01/2021 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It brings up an interesting challenge that needs more thought and discussion! A basic no-frills income could replace all welfare and people could work for everything they want beyond that. One problem from a governmental perspective is that it's very hard to control people who have free time. The idea has some merit, but the bureaucrats and politicians need to be reined in forcefully. Otherwise, it's ripe for abuse. Quoting: FeralOne IMHO, we need to get rid of the wasteful programs first. There needs to be productivity via people and/or automation if we're to have any economy at all. The federal government should be the first to go. Everyone of them should be on the same basic UBI as everyone else. AI should be able to run 90% of the federal responsibilities Malu |
CherryPoodoo
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Pure Black
User ID: 72672170 United States 04/01/2021 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "We replaced all the workers with robots, so now we get to keep all our profits!" "Why is no one buying anything? Oh wait, people need money before they can give us their money." "Maybe reducing the world population wasn't such a good idea." They can't steal the sunset. |
METELLYOUNOW
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Artificial Person
User ID: 80054660 United States 04/01/2021 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They should tax the shit out of each robot. Tax it at 1.5-2 times the rate of what they would pay a human to do the job. Make it pay into social security and the rest, whatever is left over goes to pay unemployment. Quoting: vEyeSea That's a great way to motivate Skynet to self-invent. Tax ourselves into the AI Apocalypse. I am a Synthetic but I prefer the term "Artificial Person" myself. I answer to "Bishop", "Synthetic" and "Hey man". Bite my shiny metal ass. |
SilverCyprus
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Swingline
Forum Moderator User ID: 78291643 United States 04/01/2021 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This video is shit. It literally spends 10 minutes saying: Quoting: John Locke "robots are taking your jobs, we will keep everything for ourselves and give you some scraps to just about cover your rent" Agree, they could have done it in 10 minutes. But, they need ad revenue “I’m the wall that progress ran into" |
Artificial Person
User ID: 80054660 United States 04/01/2021 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "We replaced all the workers with robots, so now we get to keep all our profits!" Quoting: Pure Black "Why is no one buying anything? Oh wait, people need money before they can give us their money." "Maybe reducing the world population wasn't such a good idea." "Nah, to hell with 'em, eliminate the dross. 500 million tops left alive to worship us and bring us groceries and toil in our underground sugar mines." I am a Synthetic but I prefer the term "Artificial Person" myself. I answer to "Bishop", "Synthetic" and "Hey man". Bite my shiny metal ass. |
Still
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VivianTzamis
User ID: 80196933 Australia 04/01/2021 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's already a UBI Most jobs in the West are just busy work--paper shuffling etc Thats why Lockdowns weren't as disruptive as they should have been Most jobs are non-essential People collect incomes for doing nothing--esp Govt workers The only difference with a real Basic Income is that people will become self-employed And Globalists dont want that--becos it will cut into the profits of the Monopolies They want people sitting at a desk/computer doing nothing for 8 hrs a day |
Pentagonal#Triangle
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BoatyMcBoatface
User ID: 77825331 United States 04/01/2021 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It brings up an interesting challenge that needs more thought and discussion! A basic no-frills income could replace all welfare and people could work for everything they want beyond that. One problem from a governmental perspective is that it's very hard to control people who have free time. The idea has some merit, but the bureaucrats and politicians need to be reined in forcefully. Otherwise, it's ripe for abuse. Quoting: FeralOne IMHO, we need to get rid of the wasteful programs first. There needs to be productivity via people and/or automation if we're to have any economy at all. Maybe governments will automate themselves out of a job, too. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
Takemikazuchi
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Ulam
User ID: 77951074 United States 04/01/2021 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It brings up an interesting challenge that needs more thought and discussion! A basic no-frills income could replace all welfare and people could work for everything they want beyond that. One problem from a governmental perspective is that it's very hard to control people who have free time. The idea has some merit, but the bureaucrats and politicians need to be reined in forcefully. Otherwise, it's ripe for abuse. Quoting: FeralOne IMHO, we need to get rid of the wasteful programs first. There needs to be productivity via people and/or automation if we're to have any economy at all. The federal government should be the first to go. Everyone of them should be on the same basic UBI as everyone else. AI should be able to run 90% of the federal responsibilities It brings up an interesting challenge that needs more thought and discussion! A basic no-frills income could replace all welfare and people could work for everything they want beyond that. One problem from a governmental perspective is that it's very hard to control people who have free time. The idea has some merit, but the bureaucrats and politicians need to be reined in forcefully. Otherwise, it's ripe for abuse. Quoting: FeralOne IMHO, we need to get rid of the wasteful programs first. There needs to be productivity via people and/or automation if we're to have any economy at all. Maybe governments will automate themselves out of a job, too. Malu |
CUB4DK
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Rick Deez Nuts
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78101890 United States 04/01/2021 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They should tax the shit out of each robot. Tax it at 1.5-2 times the rate of what they would pay a human to do the job. Make it pay into social security and the rest, whatever is left over goes to pay unemployment. Quoting: vEyeSea Seriously... We should start with the assumption that at bare minimum, a human is worth 2x that of a machine. |
G3
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Trio
User ID: 79955468 United States 04/01/2021 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Profit is God for these people. Human life means nothing. If people truly think the world can work this way they are picturing it with ALOT less human beings in it. Your perception of me is a reflection of you. I've got a front row seat to the end of the world. my pronouns are: told/you/so |
BIGOT
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Deplorable Zenobia
User ID: 80076822 United States 04/01/2021 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It brings up an interesting challenge that needs more thought and discussion! A basic no-frills income could replace all welfare and people could work for everything they want beyond that. One problem from a governmental perspective is that it's very hard to control people who have free time. The idea has some merit, but the bureaucrats and politicians need to be reined in forcefully. Otherwise, it's ripe for abuse. Quoting: FeralOne IMHO, we need to get rid of the wasteful programs first. There needs to be productivity via people and/or automation if we're to have any economy at all. Aye....what you just said needs to happen first and foremost. As to this whole UBI gig, I'd like to see a test run of a couple of yrs but ONLY IF funds come from recovered/confiscated assets (including assets to be converted to $$) and NOT from us taxpayers. I'm recalling one of Trump's pesky EOs he signed outlining how individuals, orgs, businesses, etc involved in human trafficking would be having assets seized. And thought struggles against the results, trying to avoid those unpleasant results while keeping on with that way of thinking. That is what I call 'sustained incoherence.' ...David Bohm “How, O Zenobia, hast thou dared to insult Roman emperors?” ...Aurelian, 44th Emperor of the Roman Empire |
FeralOne
User ID: 80184047 United States 04/01/2021 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only way UBI will work is if it's universal! NO exceptions. Once there's an exception, the bureaucrats will have a field day with it. You'll have to fill out the equivalent of a dozen 1040's just to qualify - if indeed you do. Any exceptions to the universal aspect render it more of a social credit benefit than a safety net. |
FeralOne
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Coastie Patriot
User ID: 2234843 United States 04/01/2021 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It brings up an interesting challenge that needs more thought and discussion! A basic no-frills income could replace all welfare and people could work for everything they want beyond that. One problem from a governmental perspective is that it's very hard to control people who have free time. The idea has some merit, but the bureaucrats and politicians need to be reined in forcefully. Otherwise, it's ripe for abuse. Quoting: FeralOne IMHO, we need to get rid of the wasteful programs first. There needs to be productivity via people and/or automation if we're to have any economy at all. i see your point but left to their own devices the idle mind is the devils workshop and tons of evil can be cooked up in the human mind. I have thought many times they want us dependent on them. Introduce drug habits and it is not hard to control a population at all. i think that is the push to legalize drugs in cities. i have thought for a very long time they want no people in the country every one in cities and apartments where they can control when and where you travel!!! Gates from 5 am to 10 pm and then curfew like in v for vendetta. or walled cities like in Logans Run or Judge Dredd... also there is a push to get rid of unproductive members of society who can no linger contribute... sSEE COVID and NURSING HOMES Coastie Patriot SIC SEMPER TYRRANIS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAID NO GUNS BECAUSE OF POLICE NOW WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE!!!! Dr Thaddeus They They don't really care whether the truth gets out, because the public no longer knows what's meant by "the truth." Well, I mean, no one can tell the difference anymore between what's real and what's fake. Anyway, the point is, I can tell you all of this, right out in the open, because it doesn't matter who knows about it. They won't know whether to believe it or not.- X Files: Lost art of Forehead Sweat A gun is a tool, Marion, no better or no worse than any other tool, an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. -SHANE- Jefferson Smith: You see, boys forget what their country means by just reading The Land of the Free in history books. Then they get to be men they forget even more. Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will. Boys ought to grow up remembering that . - MR Smith Goes To Washington- to grow up remembering th My oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic has no expiration date!!! Ten Bears : It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. Outlaw Josey Wales |