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Wife has covid. Struggling with whether or not to use HCQ

 
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I wish I could site a reference on whether the combination has any risks.
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Combination Ivermectin and HCQ:
The most recent study (Peter McCullough, Baylor Uni Medical Center) combined HCQ with IVM in 869 high risk subjects (age>50, with at least one co-morbidity) The treatment regimen associated with estimated 87.6% and 74.9% reductions in hospitalisation and death respectively

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Daughter tested positive a few days ago. She was pretty sick so I gave her ivermectin and zpak. She recovered completely within 12 hours. I know of 5 others that have done the same thing. They all had a quick recovery. Good luck!
 Quoting: always curious


What dosage did you use for her with the Ivermectin?
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I do fully understand about asking for medical advice on a forum, however, there has been a lot of solid information here over the past year and a lot of people researching and giving anecdotal results. It is a big burden to make the right call for someone else. If it were myself, I'd just make my own call and go with it. With someone else it isn't as easy. It isn't a fun situation to be in, just looking for someone else to bounce things off of and a few other sets of eyes even if they are insane. :)

We have been on steady daily Liposomal C, D3, Zinc, Iodine, Quercetin since the very start so I have to believe we are positioned as well as can be from that side. She has no other medical conditions or daily medications, on the obese side though.

I have Ivermectin Apple Paste, HCQ/Zinc Sulfate/Z-pack, Chinchona bark powder, 2x quinine tonic syrup.

She has no fever, vomiting, etc. Just headache and cough. It is about day 5 now. Doing deep breathing constantly, staying mobile, humidifier.

I may try a small initial dose of Ivermectin for her.
 Quoting: HM238


Me and my family have taken Ivermectin as a prophylactic you want a blob the size of a thick tums put it on a spoon full of strawberry jam or applesauce and you never taste anything.
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Best write-up I have for possible issues with Ivermectin..
I have personally been taking it. No issues so far, touch wood!


+ Ivermectin was discovered in the 1970's, and a Nobel prize was awarded for its
discovery.

+ It has been used in the UK, EU, US, & Australia as a first- or second-line treatment for Scabies, and around the world for other parasitic infections as well.

+ Ivermectin has been used extensively, including geriatric populations, children>5yrs, and even for livestock, pets etc. (NB: I have no data regarding pregnant women).

+ The only bits of evidence I am able to find regarding human non-suitability are that it is considered:-

Unsuitable for those with liver or kidney disease.
Those whom are pregnant (for lack of data).
Children under 5yrs, or of low weight.
Persons having some rare genetic mutations which affect the body's blood-brain-barrier
e.g. people simultaneously having two specific (and extremely rare) genetic mutations:
Serious Ivermectin Toxicity and Human ABCB1 nonsense mutations, Baudou, Lespine, Durrieu
et al. NEJM Aug 20;383(8):787-789.). The first documented Ivermectin reaction due to these
two mutations was identified in 2018 in Montpellier, France.

+ There are some side-effects documented, some associated with the effects of infestation/parasite death.

+ Some prescription drugs have mild or moderate (no major) interactions with ivermectin e.g. warfarin, diclofenac, and others which I am less familiar with, see drugs.com/drug-interactions/ivermectin-index.html ), and alcohol use is discouraged.

+ Cases of overdose have happened, causing issues which typically correct themselves over the course of a few days. Here is one example: [link to www.antigifcentrum.be (secure)]
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The only doctors I trust are named Beam and Daniels.
S-man

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Daughter tested positive a few days ago. She was pretty sick so I gave her ivermectin and zpak. She recovered completely within 12 hours. I know of 5 others that have done the same thing. They all had a quick recovery. Good luck!
 Quoting: always curious


What dosage did you use for her with the Ivermectin?
 Quoting: HM238


For me, I aimed for 150-200 micrograms/Kg of body weight.
(That's 0.15-0.2 milligrams / Kg of body weight, just to keep the units consistent..)

I used a 12 milligram tablet for me (I weigh about 70Kg /155lbs).

If you have horse paste, you can use the weight as a guide on the dispenser - that's a tube for a 1250lb horse, so if your wife is 125 lbs, use 1/10 of the tube.

You can get dosing etc. from East Virginia Medical School Marik Protocol:
[link to www.evms.edu (secure)]
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Me and my family have taken Ivermectin as a prophylactic you want a blob the size of a thick tums put it on a spoon full of strawberry jam or applesauce and you never taste anything.
 Quoting: Catnahalf


Assuming the apple paste. It seems like 18-20mg for 200lbs. Is that correct?
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ivermectin is easier, if there were issues with it thousands of people would have shared them by now.

just squeeze out a wad and eat it, both of you.
 Quoting: oiko


Dose by weight. Use the marks on the plunger to equal your/her weight.

Eat the paste. Only contraindications are severe kidney or liver disease.
Theodesus

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04/06/2021 11:20 AM

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... I also have Ivermectin for my "horse."
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rofl

Hope, you are not talking about your wife...
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Me and my family have taken Ivermectin as a prophylactic you want a blob the size of a thick tums put it on a spoon full of strawberry jam or applesauce and you never taste anything.
 Quoting: Catnahalf


Assuming the apple paste. It seems like 18-20mg for 200lbs. Is that correct?
 Quoting: HM238


Seems about right.
200/2.2 = 91 Kg.

0.2 milligrams per Kg imples:-

0.2*91 = 18 milligrams OF THE DRUG.

Apple paste is usually 1.87% pure. - yes about 2 percent.

So, use the plunger weight guide on the dispenser.

You will end up with a blob of paste about a gram (assuming it's 1.87% pure which most are).

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I concur with the person who said take tonic water, it does have the healing properties.
Also, get and take Echinacea, it boosts your immune system.
When this flu(covid) started (or when I feel under the weather), I did feel like I caught something, I immediately started taking the Echinacea and felt better towards end of next day.

Don't spend time reading all this, go out and get tonic water and Echinacea and start pumping it in her. Godspeed.
 Quoting: Ladyhawk


When referring to tonic water please make sure that it contains the original quinine and not the artificial one.
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04/06/2021 11:42 AM

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I've been pretty prepared since the start of Covid, but two days ago my wife tested positive. She is on about day 5 now. No real fever or major issues aside from a cough that is very slightly productive. I have HCQ/Zinc Sulfate/ZPack, I also have Ivermectin for my "horse." I also have a pulse oximeter. Of course the Dr. says not to without hospitalization, but I'm really torn on what to do. My main concern is avoiding pneumonia, so she is elevated, has a humidifier, is getting up and walking, doing constant deep breaths, taking C, D, Quercetin, Zinc.

Just not sure if I should go the HCQ route alone. Things don't seem to be getting worse and fairly stable/steady. I just don't want to make the wrong call.
 Quoting: HM238


Ivermectin, doxycycline and zinc protocol where I would be, certainly by day 5
Clear the virus and stop its replication asap, get the doxy going for a concurrent bacterial imfection with the cough
You can get a prescription pack ( similar to ziverdo) overnight via telemed

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I concur with the person who said take tonic water, it does have the healing properties.
Also, get and take Echinacea, it boosts your immune system.
When this flu(covid) started (or when I feel under the weather), I did feel like I caught something, I immediately started taking the Echinacea and felt better towards end of next day.

Don't spend time reading all this, go out and get tonic water and Echinacea and start pumping it in her. Godspeed.
 Quoting: Ladyhawk


When referring to tonic water please make sure that it contains the original quinine and not the artificial one.
 Quoting: Theodesus


Craft syrup to make your own tonic water boosts its quinine content
And/ or mix up a recipe of quinine from grapefruit peel, available online

Last Edited by Dodger007 on 04/06/2021 11:50 AM
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This is Dr. Zelenko's protocol. He was a Covid Doctor in New York during the height of the pandemic. It worked beautifully for me and my husband when we got Covid.

[link to vladimirzelenkomd.com (secure)]
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H2O2 may help

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We went the Ivermectin route. I figure I'd rather be safe than sorry if things haven't peaked yet for her because after another day or two it will be too late for any of the early options. If they never peak, then we'll be worm free.
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Sounds like you're on top of it, but the thing is with ANY respiratory infection that they can worsen quickly. Keep her warm & dry, full up with liquids and supplements and she should be okay in a week or two. They've unfortunately succeeded into terrorizing the public into regarding COVID as a "special" or particularly terrifying respiratory illness and for 99% of the public, it just isn't. I had it earlier in the year and had it for about 2-3 weeks. My husband on the other hand was hospitalize for 3 days but he was already sick anyway and it didn't take much treatment for him to get over it - probably the same steroids & antibiotics they'd use for most cases of pneumonia.

Good to know that you're keeping her elevated, don't let her sleep or recline laying down, keep the head/neck/chest somewhat up. You might also consider adding colloidal silver which I find excellent in a nebulizer or for sore throats or other problems.

The overwhelming majority of people get over a quick bout of COVID with no real problems or effects, I hope you do too.
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Sounds like you're on top of it, but the thing is with ANY respiratory infection that they can worsen quickly. Keep her warm & dry, full up with liquids and supplements and she should be okay in a week or two. They've unfortunately succeeded into terrorizing the public into regarding COVID as a "special" or particularly terrifying respiratory illness and for 99% of the public, it just isn't. I had it earlier in the year and had it for about 2-3 weeks. My husband on the other hand was hospitalize for 3 days but he was already sick anyway and it didn't take much treatment for him to get over it - probably the same steroids & antibiotics they'd use for most cases of pneumonia.

Good to know that you're keeping her elevated, don't let her sleep or recline laying down, keep the head/neck/chest somewhat up. You might also consider adding colloidal silver which I find excellent in a nebulizer or for sore throats or other problems.

The overwhelming majority of people get over a quick bout of COVID with no real problems or effects, I hope you do too.
 Quoting: PresidentElect BlueStateRebel


Thanks, and I'm sorry you had to go through this as well (twice). I'm very logical and clinical when it comes to things, I don't buy into hype from any side and have a scientific background so I can read actual scientific/medical papers for myself.

Some of the recent variants are more aggressive on the pneumonia/lung side of things, my dr has been seeing a lot more of that in the past couple weeks. At this point I've done about everything I can do on my own and that I prepared for. I can rest a bit easier that I've done what I can to this point.
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Give her the Ivermectin If it's the Apple Horse tube give her closest to her weight dosage in 50lbs notches. Have been doing Ivermectin for almost a full year now.

The whole family has been using it just fine. We also take monthly dosage of 50lbs or 1 notch.

We keep all other antibiotics and other meds we know we might need. Vitamin D3 is key for the cells to uptake nutrients.
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I wish I could site a reference on whether the combination has any risks.
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Combination Ivermectin and HCQ:
The most recent study (Peter McCullough, Baylor Uni Medical Center) combined HCQ with IVM in 869 high risk subjects (age>50, with at least one co-morbidity) The treatment regimen associated with estimated 87.6% and 74.9% reductions in hospitalisation and death respectively

[link to quadrant.org.au (secure)]
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You can do black walnut hull tincture if your worried about toxicity. It is a natural anti parasite, really valid, only side effect I ever had was, well, it’s like a laxative if you have a parasite.

I would check online for drug interactions if she takes pharma of any kind, but I’m taking all the same supplements you listed and had no issue.

I only take half a dropper in water once a week, she if she’s really not great could do the regular dosage.

There is also an artemisia, black walnut hull, clove tincture which does the same thing. Natural alternative to invermectin.

[link to www.gaiaherbs.com (secure)]

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Its threads like this

That make me think

That a lot of the content

Is AI generated

It's to fluffy to be taken seriously
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This is Dr. Zelenko's protocol. He was a Covid Doctor in New York during the height of the pandemic. It worked beautifully for me and my husband when we got Covid.

[link to vladimirzelenkomd.com (secure)]
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Dr. Zelenko is excellent.
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If it is hydroxycloroquin then that is in ordinary tonic water. I drink about a litre a day with no side effects.

Just keep giving her that.

Saying whether she should take it is like saying you are unsure if you should wear clothes when you go shopping at the mall.
 Quoting: Anonyrnous Coward


I think a litre of tonic water gives you 1/3 of the quinine you would get in a normal dose of HCQ. The quinine content has to be kept under therapeutic levels to be sold as a soft drink and not as medicine.

If a person gets Covid, they should take HCQ immediately. If it gets to the point that she needs to go to the hospital, she has already incurred lung damage.
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Its threads like this

That make me think

That a lot of the content

Is AI generated

It's to fluffy to be taken seriously
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I guess trying to be conversational and real is too foreign to you. Not every interaction online has to be an Aspie-fest or antagonistic. A lot of people here helped me along the way with research and being as prepared as I am now, and I'm thankful for that. It is likely going to mean a much better outcome and less severe symptoms than if not for them and the info found here.
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Ivermectin is much more effective than HCQ.

Should be gone in 2 - 3 days.

I’ve taken both. As well as horse version of Ivermectin.

Just be real careful the dose and schedule.

Divide the length of the tube that is full by the subjects weight. The entire tube is usually for a 1250 lb horse. I recommend using one that doesn’t have Titanium Dioxide (the white paste) but maybe it’s still safe.

Do not exceed 5 consecutive days. Less is prob better.
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[link to covid19criticalcare.com (secure)]

Link to dosage schedule

If your wife has breathing problems she may need corticosteroids
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I've been pretty prepared since the start of Covid, but two days ago my wife tested positive. She is on about day 5 now. No real fever or major issues aside from a cough that is very slightly productive. I have HCQ/Zinc Sulfate/ZPack, I also have Ivermectin for my "horse." I also have a pulse oximeter. Of course the Dr. says not to without hospitalization, but I'm really torn on what to do. My main concern is avoiding pneumonia, so she is elevated, has a humidifier, is getting up and walking, doing constant deep breaths, taking C, D, Quercetin, Zinc.

Just not sure if I should go the HCQ route alone. Things don't seem to be getting worse and fairly stable/steady. I just don't want to make the wrong call.
 Quoting: HM238


Was she taking C, D, Quercetin, and Zinc before she came down with Covid or did she just start taking them?





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