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Sadly if China attacks and then invades Taiwan is toast since the US, "IF" it choses to get involved, won't be able to substantially enter the fight until it is virtually over.

Taiwan main island is 100 miles from mainland China.
Taiwan is 5300 miles from Hawaii, 6500 miles from the US west coast, and 1700 miles from Guam.
 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic


You forgot Okinawa. There are US forces stationed there.

It's really not far from Taiwan.

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I guess they should rename the Quad Alliance.

Quad Alliance - U.S., Australia, Japan, and India
+ S Korea, + Taiwan of course.

That makes 6 countries. and I believe the Philippines would help out as well, once they realized they are not alone.
China has been really been sticking it to the Philippines lately.
(Stole their ocean rights, stole their reefs, and now have a giant fleet of ships parked in Taiwan (Edit: should have been PI fishing waters), fishing waters.
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


I’ve stated this before, but the most likely scenario seems to be this: the Chinese will wait until Russia invades Ukraine, keeping the US occupied in the East. They’ll unleash NK on the South, keeping the Koreans, the US, Japan and Austrialia occupied in the Pacific. Finally, they’ll instigate Pakistan and India. Taiwan stands alone.

Equally likely, China cashes in some of their chips with corrupt Joe and the US stands by and does nothing while Taiwan is overrun.
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I guess they should rename the Quad Alliance.

Quad Alliance - U.S., Australia, Japan, and India
+ S Korea, + Taiwan of course.

That makes 6 countries. and I believe the Philippines would help out as well, once they realized they are not alone.
China has been really been sticking it to the Philippines lately.
(Stole their ocean rights, stole their reefs, and now have a giant fleet of ships parked in Taiwan (Edit: should have been PI fishing waters), fishing waters.
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


I’ve stated this before, but the most likely scenario seems to be this: the Chinese will wait until Russia invades Ukraine, keeping the US occupied in the East. They’ll unleash NK on the South, keeping the Koreans, the US, Japan and Austrialia occupied in the Pacific. Finally, they’ll instigate Pakistan and India. Taiwan stands alone.

Equally likely, China cashes in some of their chips with corrupt Joe and the US stands by and does nothing while Taiwan is overrun.
 Quoting: Larphillips


Chicoms have already moved into Burma for a convenient Indian ocean port. Their plans go all the way to Australia.
Xiden... Will do nothing ,he's on their payroll.
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04/09/2021 03:09 PM
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i think we are at a critical tipping point.

the CCP has to be stopped here and now, before they grow too powerful. It will never get better than having a friendly Taiwan right there willing to stand toe to toe against CCP expansion.


If Taiwan is allowed to fall, the situation gets a lot worse.

China would take over the Philippines almost immediately afterwards, or perhaps during its attempt on Taiwan, cementing its hold on the stolen S. China Sea.

Mainland china relies heavily on imported food and oil. BLockading that would be something our navy could do rather easily.

Our largest impediment right now is a gutless, amoral cretin sitting in the oval office.
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


lol you have no idea what China can and will do to blow your blockade out of the water lol.

China is not Iraq, Their military can bring a shotload of hurt to the USNavy and Airforce. Dont believe the propaganda that Chinese people still walk around with pushcarts lol.

So many numbskulls here 😂
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How comes all of Sudden Dutch on here are all Military experts, they generally couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, to be honest I thought the Netherlands was one big pavement from Germany to France.
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S Korea will cooperate with the "Quad Alliance" to balance CHina's power in the region.
Quad Alliance - U.S., Australia, Japan, and India
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


where is SK?

still afraid of China controlled NK?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79901388


SK recently (as stated in one of these videos), said it would support the quad alliance. Not sure what that would mean. I think they have their plate full just dealing with the North and keeping their economy strong in the face of this crazy world.

They do have the world's best tank though, so a few of those might get sold/transferred.


 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


That would be the perfect opportunity for the North
to Roll on them while they're busy saving Taiwan.

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i think we are at a critical tipping point.

the CCP has to be stopped here and now, before they grow too powerful. It will never get better than having a friendly Taiwan right there willing to stand toe to toe against CCP expansion.


If Taiwan is allowed to fall, the situation gets a lot worse.

China would take over the Philippines almost immediately afterwards, or perhaps during its attempt on Taiwan, cementing its hold on the stolen S. China Sea.

Mainland china relies heavily on imported food and oil. BLockading that would be something our navy could do rather easily.

Our largest impediment right now is a gutless, amoral cretin sitting in the oval office.
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


lol you have no idea what China can and will do to blow your blockade out of the water lol.

China is not Iraq, Their military can bring a shotload of hurt to the USNavy and Airforce. Dont believe the propaganda that Chinese people still walk around with pushcarts lol.

So many numbskulls here 😂
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How comes all of Sudden Dutch on here are all Military experts, they generally couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, to be honest I thought the Netherlands was one big pavement from Germany to France.
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Obviously you have not been out much.
The Dutch once ruled the world.

Unlike the USA and the numbskulls living there, we know what it feels like to be bombed and whole cities disappear.

Many of us wonder how you would deal with it, as your arrogance knows no bounds and can only lead to an ultimate catastrophic outcome. Your "empire" is crumbling. We all know it, the whole world knows it.

Secondly, it may be well advised to keep in mind the rest of the world is not as impressed with your army as you are.

Since you can only win of bananarepublics or through deceit of allies, the world has cought up to these tactics and facing a real enemy like China or Russia will show the emperor has no clothes. It will be a sad and costly lesson you will learn.
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04/09/2021 04:19 PM
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Sadly if China attacks and then invades Taiwan is toast since the US, "IF" it choses to get involved, won't be able to substantially enter the fight until it is virtually over.

Taiwan main island is 100 miles from mainland China.
Taiwan is 5300 miles from Hawaii, 6500 miles from the US west coast, and 1700 miles from Guam.

WHO do you think will be able to pour reinforcements and aircraft into the fight over Taiwan quicker? One side that is 100 miles away ... or the other side who's reserves are at best 1700 miles away with most of them being 6500 miles away?

NO US aircraft carrier is going to be able to get close enough to provide support either, unless the US wants that aircraft carrier to lie at the bottom of the Ocean (since it WOULD be swarmed against with land based attack aircraft)
 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic


I think you are wrong. There is another thread on predicted war strategy and outcomes.

By the way, one of the main ways the US wins wars is by having technology that is decades ahead of anything the opponents have, which is not disclosed until after it is used.

Apparently, they actually do keep some secrets.
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


I guess we will find out who is right and who is wrong since Xi has a goal of "Reunification" before he leaves office.

My timing is that China will NOT move at least until after the time scheduled for the Chinese Olympics (Feb 2022) - UNLESS the Ukraine /Russia event turns into a total fiasco for the US this year (by dragging the US into an open conflict there) OR something equivalent happens to the US in the Middle East this year.

My projected prime time for a move is actually mid 2022 though others I follow say late this year on one side and others say 2026-2027 on the other side.

If one only looks at China's naval and aircraft construction timetable it looks like Xi is aiming for late 2025 before he plans to move, but events can accelerate that timetable if they provide an early opening for China ... but I think world events as they play out will still favor my long ago (20+ years ago) projected mid 2022 time frame.
 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic



I agree late 2021-mid 2022 timeframe. The US military is running military simulations this summer, so the data they gather from it will be implemented next year.
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I guess they should rename the Quad Alliance.

Quad Alliance - U.S., Australia, Japan, and India
+ S Korea, + Taiwan of course.

That makes 6 countries. and I believe the Philippines would help out as well, once they realized they are not alone.
China has been really been sticking it to the Philippines lately.
(Stole their ocean rights, stole their reefs, and now have a giant fleet of ships parked in Taiwan (Edit: should have been PI fishing waters), fishing waters.
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


I’ve stated this before, but the most likely scenario seems to be this: the Chinese will wait until Russia invades Ukraine, keeping the US occupied in the East. They’ll unleash NK on the South, keeping the Koreans, the US, Japan and Austrialia occupied in the Pacific. Finally, they’ll instigate Pakistan and India. Taiwan stands alone.

Equally likely, China cashes in some of their chips with corrupt Joe and the US stands by and does nothing while Taiwan is overrun.
 Quoting: Larphillips



China also has military bases in Mexico.
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I don't have a problem saying this.

I pray every Taiwanese family has a few firearms for each adult.

If Taiwan falls most of the western influence in the Pacific will be jeopardized. Joe Biden's foreign policy and domestic policy are so catastrophic they bought off rats back home who haven't come down off their high horses will start to realize the bed they decided to sleep in.

No way in hell is his approval rating above 55%. But they will tell you it is. I wouldn't be surprised to see them delete the Usdebtclock.org site while they're at it and replace it with fake numbers.

Honestly, The whole gambit is showing. We are not dumb, but we are being manipulated. Wonder where this will lead in the USA.
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That LIE was that if we lifted COMMUNIST CHINA through trade and commerce into PROSPERITY, they would see the benefits of FREEDOM, and would throw off the Dictatorship.

The American People bought the LIE, hook, line and sinker. When we saw the cheap junk from COMMUNIST CHINA we were thrilled.

We have FINANCED the GREATEST most POWERFUL ENEMY that America has ever had to face.
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Correct.

I admit I originally believed that with more economic dynamism that the leftism of PCC China would wane away.

Wrong!

I now realize just how naive and even idiotic that was given the corrupt leftism that's roiling America.

Forms of liberalism (or leftism---for people who have tender feelings for the word "liberal:) march to their own drummer.

When I witness all the deranged SJW leftism that's affecting and ruining every part of the US - from the government to corporations, from Hollywood to sports, from Silicon Valley to Wall Street - it's foolish to not think a version of that won't exist in post-Mao China.

Last year, a native of China relocated to the US wrote an essay where she mentioned she had long hoped her ancestral homeland would become more like America. She said that instead of that, the US is becoming more like China.

Thanks, liberals. Thanks for nothing.
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Why is Taiwan so dumb? Why don't they massively increase defense spending immediately
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Why is Taiwan so dumb? Why don't they massively increase defense spending immediately
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because they know that they will still get their asses kicked, DUMMYiamwithrofl

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I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THE TAIWAN SITUATION BUT...IT'S IN A 'STAR TREK' VEIN!
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The Dowd, that killed the Husnock? :)

Photon Torpedoes?

Phasors?

Q?
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Why is Taiwan so dumb? Why don't they massively increase defense spending immediately
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They did put in a large order to the US for some pretty serious firepower. maybe a year ago?

It should have been more. But who knows what else was perhaps too sensitive to announce?

[link to www.bbc.com (secure)]

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I guess they should rename the Quad Alliance.

Quad Alliance - U.S., Australia, Japan, and India
+ S Korea, + Taiwan of course.

That makes 6 countries. and I believe the Philippines would help out as well, once they realized they are not alone.
China has been really been sticking it to the Philippines lately.
(Stole their ocean rights, stole their reefs, and now have a giant fleet of ships parked in Taiwan (Edit: should have been PI fishing waters), fishing waters.
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


I’ve stated this before, but the most likely scenario seems to be this: the Chinese will wait until Russia invades Ukraine, keeping the US occupied in the East. They’ll unleash NK on the South, keeping the Koreans, the US, Japan and Austrialia occupied in the Pacific. Finally, they’ll instigate Pakistan and India. Taiwan stands alone.

Equally likely, China cashes in some of their chips with corrupt Joe and the US stands by and does nothing while Taiwan is overrun.
 Quoting: Larphillips



China also has military bases in Mexico.
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No they don't

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Why is Taiwan so dumb? Why don't they massively increase defense spending immediately
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They did put in a large order to the US for some pretty serious firepower. maybe a year ago?
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


they announced today that they can no longer send up fighter jets to face Chinese aircraft because of lack of spare parts

Sounds like they need to serouisly bump that 2% defense spending figure to 20%
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S Korea will cooperate with the "Quad Alliance" to balance CHina's power in the region.
Quad Alliance - U.S., Australia, Japan, and India
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


where is SK?

still afraid of China controlled NK?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79901388


SK recently (as stated in one of these videos), said it would support the quad alliance. Not sure what that would mean. I think they have their plate full just dealing with the North and keeping their economy strong in the face of this crazy world.

They do have the world's best tank though, so a few of those might get sold/transferred.


 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


That would be the perfect opportunity for the North
to Roll on them while they're busy saving Taiwan.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80229913


I don't think SK would get too involved in Taiwan other than supply of equipment/arms/supplies.

As you know, they have a belligerent North to deal with, who might be given marching orders by the CCP to open another front.

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S Korea will cooperate with the "Quad Alliance" to balance CHina's power in the region.
Quad Alliance - U.S., Australia, Japan, and India
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We should all be concerned that neither south korea or the philippines are in this alliance...


The loss of south korea alone likely dooms our ability to keep taiwan free and not smoking wreckage.

Losing taiwan either because china takes it intact or destroys so much infrastructure and wafer fab facilities as to make it useless to the quad alliance IMMEDIATELY puts the western free world into a downward spiral!

Especially if south korea is more than just neutral and not getting involved.

Losing south korea and taiwan is all but game fucking over to be honest
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S Korea will cooperate with the "Quad Alliance" to balance CHina's power in the region.
Quad Alliance - U.S., Australia, Japan, and India
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We should all be concerned that neither south korea or the philippines are in this alliance...


The loss of south korea alone likely dooms our ability to keep taiwan free and not smoking wreckage.

Losing taiwan either because china takes it intact or destroys so much infrastructure and wafer fab facilities as to make it useless to the quad alliance IMMEDIATELY puts the western free world into a downward spiral!

Especially if south korea is more than just neutral and not getting involved.

Losing south korea and taiwan is all but game fucking over to be honest
 Quoting: roguetechie81




Losing S Korea or letting it be destroyed is NOT an option.

Regarding the Philippines, they would definitely be on our side in a coalition war. Duterte's comments are very telling.
He said that you can't expect me to take on China all alone.

He is right, and the second unspoken part of that sentence speaks volumes.

And S Korea has already indicated it will support the alliance. (no details of course). Diplomatic language governs all such announcements unless you are in an active shooting war.

Last Edited by JustmeTX on 04/09/2021 06:00 PM
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Why is Taiwan so dumb? Why don't they massively increase defense spending immediately
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They did put in a large order to the US for some pretty serious firepower. maybe a year ago?
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


they announced today that they can no longer send up fighter jets to face Chinese aircraft because of lack of spare parts

Sounds like they need to serouisly bump that 2% defense spending figure to 20%
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80171289


Yes, without question. That military order to the US was just for some missiles, artillery and various weapons and surveillance pods for their fighters.

They need to buy some modern fighters. (which would infuriate the CCP of course if they heard about it).

S. Korea is making their own 5th gen air superiority fighter, but it is still a few years off.

And Japan I believe has been commissioned to produce their own updated version of the F-22.

India has a burning hatred of China and they have a considerable military capability. They would not sit on the sidelines. in my opinion.

What remains to be seen is how much new wiz bang tech the US would employ. They might fight the war from orbit with lasers for all anyone knows. :)

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China issues new threat to Taiwan.

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"State Department spokesman Ned Price this week expressed "great concern" about what he considers China's systematic efforts to intimidate its neighbors, including Taiwan.

"The United States maintains the capacity to resist any resort to force or any other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security or the social or economic system of the people on Taiwan," he said."

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How much infrastructure would Taiwan have underground?

They already have malls underground, an extensive railway system, and even publicly known military hangers. If an adult has been present in the room at any time during Taiwan's governance they would have made the calculated assessment that an adversary has the capability to level that island in a day. The only realistic chance for Taiwan to survive and fight a prolonged modern military engagement is to make that island one enormous underground fortress. Successive reinforced layers and levels. Fortress Taiwan. This would negate a numerical superiority held by an adversary, and force them into a war or breaching and taking armed underground facilities. Good luck.

Of course if Taiwan haven't done this then they aren't going to last a week in a modern invasion, which I'll remind anyone, has never happened with modern military technology in a total war scenario.
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They will get the same deal that Hong Kong has.

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S. Korea's baby Raptor unveiled.


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I see another thread popped up saying the US has dispatched 2 carrier groups to the Taiwan Strait?

Looks like it was only based on a Tweet so far. Fake news I guess.

Edit, I guess it was partly true.

1 aircraft carrier (Roosevelt), 1 WASP class helicopter assault ship.

And it was a naval exercise in the S China Sea. No mention of entering the Taiwan straight.

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China threatens missile strike at Australia if they help Taiwan.

[link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)]

Pretty sure the war will come soon with this level of rhetoric.



China threatens Bangladesh if they participate in Quad alliance.



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China threatens everyone.

The alliance will be everyone against China.

Are we still selling grain to China?

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