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December 23rd 2007 - More Astonishing facts

 
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Christmas Day, also referred to as Yule in pagan cultures was supposed to always be on the Winter Solstice.
Because of the problems with the calender system, a set date of december 25th was given.

How Britain got the Calendar Wrong
Similarly Christmas Day became December 25 because it was the traditional winter solstice date. But the solstice has slipped to the 21st/22nd.
[link to www.hermetic.ch]

The ancient Pagan celebrations on the Winter Solstice predate Christianity.

Yule is a winter festival celebrated in Northern Europe since ancient times. In pre-Christian times, Germanic pagans celebrated Yule from late December to early January on a date determined by a lunar calendar.[1] During the process of Christianization and the adoption of the Julian calendar, Yule was placed on December 25, in order to correspond with the Christian celebrations later known in English as Christmas.[2]

Wicca

In general, many Wiccan based sects favor a plethora of sources on winter solstice holidays to recreate a type of Yule holiday. While the name "Yule" is used, it is not a reconstruction of the historical holiday. Wreaths, Yule logs, decoration of trees, decorating with mistletoe, holly, and ivy, exchanges of presents, and even wassailing are incorporated and regarded as sacred. The return of the Sun as Frey is commemorated in some groups. In most Wiccan sects, this holiday is also celebrated as the rebirth of the Great God, who is viewed as the newborn solstice sun.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Lets look at that last bit again.

this holiday is also celebrated as the rebirth of the Great God, who is viewed as the newborn solstice sun

Christianity wanted to Christianiz these ancient Pagans so badly, they incorporated their beliefs into the new christian Mould.

English historian Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum contains a letter from Pope Gregory I to Saint Mellitus, who was then on his way to England to conduct missionary work among the pagan Anglo-Saxons. Pope Gregory suggested that converting heathens would go easier if they were allowed to retain the outward forms of their traditional pagan practices and traditions, while recasting those traditions spiritually towards the Christian God instead of to their pagan "devils": "to the end that, whilst some gratifications are outwardly permitted them, they may the more easily consent to the inward consolations of the grace of God"

So now, what do we discern from this.
That the whole Christmas Festival is based on the "Rebirth" of the Sun God on the Winter Solstice.
That is where Christmas has come from.
The Celebration and Worship of this event was that important it influenced the Building of many stone circles and Sun temples, such as StoneHenge.

This event must of been that powerful and significant that it has survived be it in whatever form over thousands of years.
I believe the event that happens on the 23rd is a repeat of the event that happened so long ago, one that is the base behind so many belief and religious systems.

Once again, the Sun will be on the Cross.. And it will be reborn anew...



More info on the Remarkable Planetary/Galactic series of events that is happening on the 23rd.
Wiki have updated on the Config. Any doubts about the GC involvement is banished. The whole Solar system is in Allignment with the GC through Pluto, which itself is in an even grander conjunction:-

2007

A very remarkable planetary/galactic configuration occurs on December 23rd and 24th 2007. The configuration on December 23 — Mars, Earth, Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Galactic Centre — is shown in the graphic simulation linked below; it becomes even more remarkable in that it will be accompanied by the Full Moon (conjunct Mars) at about 2 a.m. on December 24 when a simultaneous Venus square Neptune occurs. It is even more remarkable in that the Pluto/Sun conjunction appears exactly on the Winter Solstice, just past conjunction with the Galactic Centre.

Link below is the view from Mars toward the Jupiter, Mars, Earth, Mercury, Pluto alignment toward the Galactic Centre on 23 December 2007 which occurs just after the Pluto/Jupiter (Heliocentric) conjunction on 23 November 2007. NASA Solar System Simulator for 23rd Dec 2007

Solar System on Dec 22, 2007. What is not shown is Pluto (which would be to Jupiter's right) Saturn, which follows down from Venus, and Uranus and Neptune. Saturn and Neptune form the cross's t-member. It is a 23/12 configuration. There will be a full moon on Dec. 23, 2007
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

2007 - A grand conjunction in which the solar system will align with the galactic center
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Oh btw, with what was mentioned about Jupiter above, Jupiter will of course be in conjunction with the Sun as well.

JUPITER is too close to the Sun to be seen this month. It is at conjunction with the Sun on the 23rd, and will become visible in the morning sky next month.
[link to www.aaa.org]

December 23 Jupiter is in conjunction with the Sun, entering the morning
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Very Good info! Thank You!
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MJ, what can i say?
You have put a theory forward that explains many mysteries in the History of mankind.
It feels like there is much truth involved too, i can feel it when i read your posts. Many thanks for all your hard work.
JK
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Yo MJ GEt A Fvking life you pice of shit...nothing will happen ...get that in your fvking deluded head of yours u nut job and stop trying to scare people you prick..
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Yo MJ GEt A Fvking life you pice of shit...nothing will happen ...get that in your fvking deluded head of yours u nut job and stop trying to scare people you prick..
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Another scared, addicted to the 3D-miserable life...
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Its people like MJ that needs to be eliminated for the crap that they post that cause's panic and fear into the population we don't need assholes like him in our world...
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Yo MJ GEt A Fvking life you pice of shit...nothing will happen ...get that in your fvking deluded head of yours u nut job and stop trying to scare people you prick..
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iamwith

No one said anything about doom.

But lets face it, we need change, even if that means a little bit of doom in the process. I know im not the only one who is fucking bored with existence on this planet as it stands.. things could be so much better, but we've had long enough to do something abou it.

The fail safe is about to kick in.. i sure fucking hope it is. The thought of having to wait 5 more years is just fucking depressing.

hf
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Yo MJ GEt A Fvking life you pice of shit...nothing will happen ...get that in your fvking deluded head of yours u nut job and stop trying to scare people you prick..

Another scared, addicted to the 3D-miserable life...
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I can't speak for others but my life is great...i'm just sick and tired of assholes like MJ spewing garbage to the population we have seen it before like y2k,5/5/2000, etc and nothing fucking happened...the freaks like MJ were so fucking convinced something was gonna happen and nothing did and nothing will for this new prediction...

GET A LIFE YOU MORONS that believe in this crap!!!
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Hi again MJ

I've been thinking about the part of Newgrange in all this..and got confused!! lol

Maybe you could help?

Ok, so the Sun will still be shining through the lightbox on the 23rd..

It is known that Venus has been visible through the lightbox around the Solstice at certain times during its 8 year cycle too..is this year one of those times, do you know?

..also the Moon has been visible through the lightbox around the Solstice at times during its 19 year cycle (something to do with its the same declination, and therefore the same rising azimuth, as the midwinter sunrise??) - Is this one of those years too, do you know?

To me, the Venus one seems likely this year, but I can't seem to pin it down..

..and if the Moon event is occurring this year too - well, that will make it a very special year indeed.

Hope you can help - and if not, I hope it gives you some food for thought - it did me!!

All the best & thanks.



hf
Everything is permitted..
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Its people like MJ that needs to be eliminated for the crap that they post that cause's panic and fear into the population we don't need assholes like him in our world...
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Do you always think that people who post truth should be killed?
You would of fit in well in Nazi germany.
i have read all of MJ's threads and i have not once seen him use fear or Doom.
On the contrary, i find his threads full of facts and theraputic.
It is people like you that need to be watched. Truth suppressers, advocating Murder just for free speech. Denial and lies in the face of the purest facts.
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MJ,

Lets say that December and January comes and goes uneventfully.

Will you then come back and admit you were wrong or will you hide behind another moniker?
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I can't speak for others but my life is great...i'm just sick and tired of assholes like MJ spewing garbage to the population we have seen it before like y2k,5/5/2000, etc and nothing fucking happened...the freaks like MJ were so fucking convinced something was gonna happen and nothing did and nothing will for this new prediction...

GET A LIFE YOU MORONS that believe in this crap!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 137291


Stop putting pineapples up your anal passage, it's not healthy.

Unlike Y2K and other dates, this one actually has something tangible to it. If you can't handle that idea, then don't post on this thread. Simple.
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THESE LOSERS DON'T HAVE A LIFE...THEY ARE SO FUCKING MISERABLE THAT THEY WANT TO SINK THE SINK AND TAKE EVERYONE WITH THEM DOWN UNDER...
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looks like we are gonna have another uneventfull christmas.
It's time for us to fight back against these socialist scumbags
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MJ,

Lets say that December and January comes and goes uneventfully.

Will you then come back and admit you were wrong or will you hide behind another moniker?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 339256

MJ has already stated in other threads that he will carry on posting. he said he has posted here on and off for around 5 years. Anyway , the stuff he presents is hardly him making a story up, all the info is out there, he just threaded it together. Quite well in my opinion.
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I can't speak for others but my life is great...i'm just sick and tired of assholes like MJ spewing garbage to the population we have seen it before like y2k,5/5/2000, etc and nothing fucking happened...the freaks like MJ were so fucking convinced something was gonna happen and nothing did and nothing will for this new prediction...

GET A LIFE YOU MORONS that believe in this crap!!!


Stop putting pineapples up your anal passage, it's not healthy.

Unlike Y2K and other dates, this one actually has something tangible to it. If you can't handle that idea, then don't post on this thread. Simple.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 304329


HAHAHA YEA RIGHT AFTER THIS PREDICTION BECOMES A FAILER LIKE THE REST OF THEM, THEN WHAT? OH THE NEXT ONE WILL BE 07/07/2008 OR SOMETHING haha SERIOUSLY YOU FOLKS NEED TO FIND A NEW HOBBY :)
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Same losers posting insults and rudeness.
I will not lower myself to their levels, not worth my energy.
This info again is for the people who can see.
You know who you are.
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it feels good to be alive doesn't it :)
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it feels good to be alive doesn't it :)
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indeed!





hf
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Where's the DOOM in this post???? Maybe you might wanna read it completely before going off... Just a suggestion.
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Its people like MJ that needs to be eliminated for the crap that they post that cause's panic and fear into the population we don't need assholes like him in our world...

Do you always think that people who post truth should be killed?
You would of fit in well in Nazi germany.
i have read all of MJ's threads and i have not once seen him use fear or Doom.
On the contrary, i find his threads full of facts and theraputic.
It is people like you that need to be watched. Truth suppressers, advocating Murder just for free speech. Denial and lies in the face of the purest facts.
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you called that truth...I call it BULLSHIT!!!
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Obviously a Troll, not capable of debate.
I know who i would rather be. And its not you.
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No jk, its just Phoenix behind a Proxy..
Its good having friends who can... LMAO
You gotta give the Jew kid credit, he is relentless lol
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Christmas Day, also referred to as Yule in pagan cultures was supposed to always be on the Winter Solstice.
Because of the problems with the calender system, a set date of december 25th was given.

How Britain got the Calendar Wrong
Similarly Christmas Day became December 25 because it was the traditional winter solstice date. But the solstice has slipped to the 21st/22nd.
[link to www.hermetic.ch]

The ancient Pagan celebrations on the Winter Solstice predate Christianity.

Yule is a winter festival celebrated in Northern Europe since ancient times. In pre-Christian times, Germanic pagans celebrated Yule from late December to early January on a date determined by a lunar calendar.[1] During the process of Christianization and the adoption of the Julian calendar, Yule was placed on December 25, in order to correspond with the Christian celebrations later known in English as Christmas.[2]

Wicca

In general, many Wiccan based sects favor a plethora of sources on winter solstice holidays to recreate a type of Yule holiday. While the name "Yule" is used, it is not a reconstruction of the historical holiday. Wreaths, Yule logs, decoration of trees, decorating with mistletoe, holly, and ivy, exchanges of presents, and even wassailing are incorporated and regarded as sacred. The return of the Sun as Frey is commemorated in some groups. In most Wiccan sects, this holiday is also celebrated as the rebirth of the Great God, who is viewed as the newborn solstice sun.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Lets look at that last bit again.

this holiday is also celebrated as the rebirth of the Great God, who is viewed as the newborn solstice sun

Christianity wanted to Christianiz these ancient Pagans so badly, they incorporated their beliefs into the new christian Mould.

English historian Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum contains a letter from Pope Gregory I to Saint Mellitus, who was then on his way to England to conduct missionary work among the pagan Anglo-Saxons. Pope Gregory suggested that converting heathens would go easier if they were allowed to retain the outward forms of their traditional pagan practices and traditions, while recasting those traditions spiritually towards the Christian God instead of to their pagan "devils": "to the end that, whilst some gratifications are outwardly permitted them, they may the more easily consent to the inward consolations of the grace of God"

So now, what do we discern from this.
That the whole Christmas Festival is based on the "Rebirth" of the Sun God on the Winter Solstice.
That is where Christmas has come from.
The Celebration and Worship of this event was that important it influenced the Building of many stone circles and Sun temples, such as StoneHenge.

This event must of been that powerful and significant that it has survived be it in whatever form over thousands of years.
I believe the event that happens on the 23rd is a repeat of the event that happened so long ago, one that is the base behind so many belief and religious systems.

Once again, the Sun will be on the Cross.. And it will be reborn anew...



More info on the Remarkable Planetary/Galactic series of events that is happening on the 23rd.
Wiki have updated on the Config. Any doubts about the GC involvement is banished. The whole Solar system is in Allignment with the GC through Pluto, which itself is in an even grander conjunction:-

2007

A very remarkable planetary/galactic configuration occurs on December 23rd and 24th 2007. The configuration on December 23 — Mars, Earth, Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Galactic Centre — is shown in the graphic simulation linked below; it becomes even more remarkable in that it will be accompanied by the Full Moon (conjunct Mars) at about 2 a.m. on December 24 when a simultaneous Venus square Neptune occurs. It is even more remarkable in that the Pluto/Sun conjunction appears exactly on the Winter Solstice, just past conjunction with the Galactic Centre.

Link below is the view from Mars toward the Jupiter, Mars, Earth, Mercury, Pluto alignment toward the Galactic Centre on 23 December 2007 which occurs just after the Pluto/Jupiter (Heliocentric) conjunction on 23 November 2007. NASA Solar System Simulator for 23rd Dec 2007

Solar System on Dec 22, 2007. What is not shown is Pluto (which would be to Jupiter's right) Saturn, which follows down from Venus, and Uranus and Neptune. Saturn and Neptune form the cross's t-member. It is a 23/12 configuration. There will be a full moon on Dec. 23, 2007
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

2007 - A grand conjunction in which the solar system will align with the galactic center
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Oh btw, with what was mentioned about Jupiter above, Jupiter will of course be in conjunction with the Sun as well.

JUPITER is too close to the Sun to be seen this month. It is at conjunction with the Sun on the 23rd, and will become visible in the morning sky next month.
[link to www.aaa.org]

December 23 Jupiter is in conjunction with the Sun, entering the morning
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No jk, its just Phoenix behind a Proxy..
Its good having friends who can... LMAO
You gotta give the Jew kid credit, he is relentless lol
 Quoting: MJ 340426


Not my style. Proxies are to slow and this shit is far from worth that effort. Easier to raise the flag and call it a day.

I got your jew hanging btw! Fuckface.


:bullshitb:
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Can always spot the Shills MJ, didnt know Phoenix was Jewish though. Then again the only people he is decent to is Campbell and Gaia, so it does not suprise me really.
He has trolled these threads since day 1. When this stuff goes down karma will fuck him over badly.
You carry on MJ, most of us appreciate your research.
Peace
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You gotta give the Jew kid credit, he is relentless lol
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You're such a tool. "Jew kid"?
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I got no problem with the people of Israel.
Just vindictive, spiteful Ashkenazi shills, which you have shown yourself over and over to be part of.
It will all catch up with you one day soon.
Im just glad everyone can see it now, you really outed yourself in these threads lol...





GLP