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Derek Chauvin Trial - Day 10 - Livestream

 
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No.

They are now saying that if an elderly person with a known heart condition is robbed at gunpoint and then dies of a heart attack then the assailant is guilty of causing that heart attack.

The difference is that George Floyd put himself in a position that would require police intervention.

This case is so weak.

I can’t believe how they are trying to stretch the truth.

Not Guilty!
 Quoting: Herstal


Right. It is not homicide in the literal sense that we have come to know through TV crime dramas. In the medical field it only means another Human was involved, and not necessarily caused the death. And I hope at least one person on the jury is educated enough to understand this. It does not portend culpability on behalf of the Chauvin.
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Dr Baden should be interesting, that old ho. He's gotta be at least 80 now but he still can sniff out the grift potential for himself in a case.
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Shall the next jump be, that if white police officers are guilty of a hate crime that leads to the death of black people, by their lack of professionalism or compassion while the subject is under their care or custody, is the next accusition going to be that white emergency room physicians, and white doctors are guilty of hate crimes when a black patient dies for that same reason?

Both professions are sworn to protect the population regardless of race, religion or color.

This is really entering into the Twilight Zone.

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 Quoting: Liberty Belle 4 ever


This has already been creeping in for a while.
I recall reading several stories about POC requesting POC doctors, because they "understand" and "care" for them more than white doctors. I've also seen this topic on Med drama tv shows.

However, the flip side is that when a "white" person requests a "white" doctor citing the same reason...they are labeled a racist. It is just another example of how white folks are the only people on the planet who can be racist, even when mimicking the actions of POC.
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Every time the topic of Floyd's drug use comes up, ABC pauses to remind the audience that millions of Americans also struggle with substance abuse.

Like a full stop, they're all like "Floyd had meth in his system WHICH MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ALSO DO."
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


I don’t get that at all. What’s their point? That because someone is on drugs we should just let him do whatever he wants because he’s a victim of his own drug use?
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Shall the next jump be, that if white police officers are guilty of a hate crime that leads to the death of black people, by their lack of professionalism or compassion while the subject is under their care or custody, is the next accusition going to be that white emergency room physicians, and white doctors are guilty of hate crimes when a black patient dies for that same reason?

Both professions are sworn to protect the population regardless of race, religion or color.

This is really entering into the Twilight Zone.

GOD BLESS THE REPUBLIC
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 Quoting: Liberty Belle 4 ever


This has already been creeping in for a while.
I recall reading several stories about POC requesting POC doctors, because they "understand" and "care" for them more than white doctors. I've also seen this topic on Med drama tv shows.

However, the flip side is that when a "white" person requests a "white" doctor citing the same reason...they are labeled a racist. It is just another example of how white folks are the only people on the planet who can be racist, even when mimicking the actions of POC.
 Quoting: Powerslave


Which brings up “Tried By Jury Of Their Peers”.

That would be a Jury of All White Cops.
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How does Medical Examiner Baker give a testimony like that and still say the manner of death was caused by Chauvins knee???


How does this happen???
 Quoting: Herstal


He hasn't ever said that as far as I know. His conclusion is that GF's heart conditions killed him and that the struggle with the cops was the thing that pushed him over the edge.
 Quoting: The Daddylorian


I could swear I heard that he listed the main cause of death as subdural pressure from knee placement and that he listed all other conditions such as heart disease, presence of drugs, etc as secondary contributing factors.

He stated this when describing the nature of the form he filled out and how it only allows him to attribute a single cause of death, while allowing multiple contributing factors on the second line of the form.
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Shall the next jump be, that if white police officers are guilty of a hate crime that leads to the death of black people, by their lack of professionalism or compassion while the subject is under their care or custody, is the next accusition going to be that white emergency room physicians, and white doctors are guilty of hate crimes when a black patient dies for that same reason?

Both professions are sworn to protect the population regardless of race, religion or color.

This is really entering into the Twilight Zone.

GOD BLESS THE REPUBLIC
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 Quoting: Liberty Belle 4 ever


This has already been creeping in for a while.
I recall reading several stories about POC requesting POC doctors, because they "understand" and "care" for them more than white doctors. I've also seen this topic on Med drama tv shows.

However, the flip side is that when a "white" person requests a "white" doctor citing the same reason...they are labeled a racist. It is just another example of how white folks are the only people on the planet who can be racist, even when mimicking the actions of POC.
 Quoting: Powerslave



Let’s stop pretending that POC is inclusive.

Persons Of Color does NOT mean Other than White.

POC means BLACK Persons ONLY!
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Right. It is not homicide in the literal sense that we have come to know through TV crime dramas. In the medical field it only means another Human was involved, and not necessarily caused the death. And I hope at least one person on the jury is educated enough to understand this. It does not portend culpability on behalf of the Chauvin.
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When it comes down to it, George Floyd was caught red handed committing multiple felonies that day.

Let's just say he didn't actually pass a fake bill. He was still driving around intoxicated with a level of drugs that would kill most people, this is a fact.

If he wasn't an unemployed titty bar bouncer, and was instead a Republican commentator for Fox News who ran over and killed a 5 year old on his way home from buying that fateful pack of cigarettes, would the media still be calling him Saint Floyd?

He deserved to go to jail that day, he was putting anyone on on near the road in grave danger.

He had no right to resist arrest. Those cops had to get him off the streets. If he had just sat down in that cruiser, he would spending his Biden bucks on Fentanyl as I type this and having a grand old time.

Doing a bunch of drugs and going out in public is always a risk, and he choose poorly.

The cops should have laid off of him when he became unresponsive, but we will never know if that was already too late... medical science just doesn't have the capability to tell us that at this time.

They were distracted by the crowd, which in my opinion bear a significant portion of the fault in this case.

Picking a fight with 4 armed men is a really bad idea, no matter what the other facts of the case are.
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The cops should have laid off of him when he became unresponsive, but we will never know if that was already too late... medical science just doesn't have the capability to tell us that at this time.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth



It’s a thankless job with everyone second-guessing the cops and that is why cops are over-trained to do everything by the book. If Chauvin did get up then George Floyd would’ve bounced back up.

Cops have it drilled into their heads that it is better to by judged by 15 than be carried by 6.
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Dr. Baker described Mr. Floyd’s cause of death as

“cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” The manner of death, he wrote, was homicide.

Now I see the politicization of a freakin’ death certificate.

This Medical Examiner is smart in the way he is wording the official cause. He is covering his a** while playing both sides.
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Dr. Baker described Mr. Floyd’s cause of death as

“cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” The manner of death, he wrote, was homicide.

Now I see the politicization of a freakin’ death certificate.

This Medical Examiner is smart in the way he is wording the official cause. He is covering his a** while playing both sides.
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You are right White People are scared. Just watching White MSM reporters today, praising the State for presenting their case beyond a reasonable doubt while catering to other Black reporters on the same show.
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Every time the topic of Floyd's drug use comes up, ABC pauses to remind the audience that millions of Americans also struggle with substance abuse.

Like a full stop, they're all like "Floyd had meth in his system WHICH MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ALSO DO."
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


I don’t get that at all. What’s their point? That because someone is on drugs we should just let him do whatever he wants because he’s a victim of his own drug use?
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Seems to be working very well for Hunter Biden.


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Every time the topic of Floyd's drug use comes up, ABC pauses to remind the audience that millions of Americans also struggle with substance abuse.

Like a full stop, they're all like "Floyd had meth in his system WHICH MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ALSO DO."
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


I don’t get that at all. What’s their point? That because someone is on drugs we should just let him do whatever he wants because he’s a victim of his own drug use?
 Quoting: Revbo™




Seems to be working very well for Hunter Biden.


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Looks to me like the "angry crowd" was complicit in Saint George's death more so than Officer Chauvin.

Because of their presence and threatening actions the medics held off arriving at the scene earlier.

Some of them should be on trial themselves
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How does Medical Examiner Baker give a testimony like that and still say the manner of death was caused by Chauvins knee???


How does this happen???
 Quoting: Herstal


He hasn't ever said that as far as I know. His conclusion is that GF's heart conditions killed him and that the struggle with the cops was the thing that pushed him over the edge.
 Quoting: The Daddylorian


I could swear I heard that he listed the main cause of death as subdural pressure from knee placement and that he listed all other conditions such as heart disease, presence of drugs, etc as secondary contributing factors.

He stated this when describing the nature of the form he filled out and how it only allows him to attribute a single cause of death, while allowing multiple contributing factors on the second line of the form.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


He might have previously, not sure. But his testimony today was essentially that the heart condition was primary and the exertion from his struggle with the cops is what pushed him over. Supplemental to all of that was the drugs.

Not sure what the jury will make of that, but to me it means innocent on all charges.
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Shall the next jump be, that if white police officers are guilty of a hate crime that leads to the death of black people, by their lack of professionalism or compassion while the subject is under their care or custody, is the next accusition going to be that white emergency room physicians, and white doctors are guilty of hate crimes when a black patient dies for that same reason?

Both professions are sworn to protect the population regardless of race, religion or color.

This is really entering into the Twilight Zone.

GOD BLESS THE REPUBLIC
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 Quoting: Liberty Belle 4 ever


This has already been creeping in for a while.
I recall reading several stories about POC requesting POC doctors, because they "understand" and "care" for them more than white doctors. I've also seen this topic on Med drama tv shows.

However, the flip side is that when a "white" person requests a "white" doctor citing the same reason...they are labeled a racist. It is just another example of how white folks are the only people on the planet who can be racist, even when mimicking the actions of POC.
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When it comes down to it, George Floyd was caught red handed committing multiple felonies that day.

Let's just say he didn't actually pass a fake bill. He was still driving around intoxicated with a level of drugs that would kill most people, this is a fact.

If he wasn't an unemployed titty bar bouncer, and was instead a Republican commentator for Fox News who ran over and killed a 5 year old on his way home from buying that fateful pack of cigarettes, would the media still be calling him Saint Floyd?

He deserved to go to jail that day, he was putting anyone on on near the road in grave danger.

He had no right to resist arrest. Those cops had to get him off the streets. If he had just sat down in that cruiser, he would spending his Biden bucks on Fentanyl as I type this and having a grand old time.

Doing a bunch of drugs and going out in public is always a risk, and he choose poorly.

The cops should have laid off of him when he became unresponsive, but we will never know if that was already too late... medical science just doesn't have the capability to tell us that at this time.

They were distracted by the crowd, which in my opinion bear a significant portion of the fault in this case.

Picking a fight with 4 armed men is a really bad idea, no matter what the other facts of the case are.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Actually the fraudulent bill is not, I believe, a state felony. It is however a federal crime. A prosecution witness testified about how normally they don’t arrest you for it but they just give you a summons.

The takeaway should be that is why certain groups of people are so flagrant in their crimes. They know the police and courts don’t do jack.
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Shall the next jump be, that if white police officers are guilty of a hate crime that leads to the death of black people, by their lack of professionalism or compassion while the subject is under their care or custody, is the next accusition going to be that white emergency room physicians, and white doctors are guilty of hate crimes when a black patient dies for that same reason?

Both professions are sworn to protect the population regardless of race, religion or color.

This is really entering into the Twilight Zone.

GOD BLESS THE REPUBLIC
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 Quoting: Liberty Belle 4 ever


This has already been creeping in for a while.
I recall reading several stories about POC requesting POC doctors, because they "understand" and "care" for them more than white doctors. I've also seen this topic on Med drama tv shows.

However, the flip side is that when a "white" person requests a "white" doctor citing the same reason...they are labeled a racist. It is just another example of how white folks are the only people on the planet who can be racist, even when mimicking the actions of POC.
 Quoting: Powerslave


Relativists have no principles.
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Today ended in the prosecutions favor with the coroner stating on record, voice and paper his statement of official death. That will go a long way with most of the Jurors.
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How does Medical Examiner Baker give a testimony like that and still say the manner of death was caused by Chauvins knee???


How does this happen???
 Quoting: Herstal


He hasn't ever said that as far as I know. His conclusion is that GF's heart conditions killed him and that the struggle with the cops was the thing that pushed him over the edge.
 Quoting: The Daddylorian


I could swear I heard that he listed the main cause of death as subdural pressure from knee placement and that he listed all other conditions such as heart disease, presence of drugs, etc as secondary contributing factors.

He stated this when describing the nature of the form he filled out and how it only allows him to attribute a single cause of death, while allowing multiple contributing factors on the second line of the form.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


He might have previously, not sure. But his testimony today was essentially that the heart condition was primary and the exertion from his struggle with the cops is what pushed him over. Supplemental to all of that was the drugs.

Not sure what the jury will make of that, but to me it means innocent on all charges.
 Quoting: The Daddylorian


That testimony is then consistent with what I heard him say about how he filled out the death certificate.

The exertion from struggling with the cops was the IMMEDIATE cause of death. That struggle caused the heart to give. But what caused the struggle?

The problem is that the M.E. and the prosecution appear to be implying that it was the negligent technique employed by Chauvin was the main/substantial cause of death.

When in reality, George's lifetime of bad decisions weakened his heart and arteries, drugs made him even weaker, crazed, and aggressive, influencing him to pass a counterfeit bill and fight against cops trying to keep him from driving away intoxicated. He largely caused his own death, and probably would have died anyway via heart failure in a year tops.

Chauvin's knee hold provided maybe 5% of the total cause. And they want to crucify him for that and will use every mental trick in the book to get the jury to believe that Chauvin's knee was largely to blame.

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On the contrary, wasn't the actions of all of the officers restrained by not using a stun gun, which they were justified in using to stop the struggle in the squad car?

The officers laid Floyd outside of the car, to help his possible claustrophobia, giving him more air. That was compassionate and prudent. Their risk was greater having him outside of the squad car.

The officers didn't continue to attempt jamming him into the squad, rather they were quiet, calm, not yelling orders at him, but held him calmly to prevent him from hurting himself and others until an ambulance arrived.

The officers had no idea if Floyd had passed out momentarily from the drugs, and would suddenly come to and continue his physical attempts. He might have suddenly come to and bashed his head under the wheel well. Who knows? He might have gone into a seizure. If he had bashed his head under the car, or on the cement cracking his skull open, would the same officer's have been blamed for NOT restraining him?

Nobody can be an arm chair quarterback in this case unless you have walked in those officer's shoes and have seen much more than any of us could even imagine.

They did what they were trained to do.
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nothing much has changed since the first day...

examine knee restraints? sure

murder and manslaughter charges for Chauvin? that is ridiculous (although we did maybe get a suspect in Morries Hall)
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When it comes down to it, George Floyd was caught red handed committing multiple felonies that day.

Let's just say he didn't actually pass a fake bill. He was still driving around intoxicated with a level of drugs that would kill most people, this is a fact.

If he wasn't an unemployed titty bar bouncer, and was instead a Republican commentator for Fox News who ran over and killed a 5 year old on his way home from buying that fateful pack of cigarettes, would the media still be calling him Saint Floyd?

He deserved to go to jail that day, he was putting anyone on on near the road in grave danger.

He had no right to resist arrest. Those cops had to get him off the streets. If he had just sat down in that cruiser, he would spending his Biden bucks on Fentanyl as I type this and having a grand old time.

Doing a bunch of drugs and going out in public is always a risk, and he choose poorly.

The cops should have laid off of him when he became unresponsive, but we will never know if that was already too late... medical science just doesn't have the capability to tell us that at this time.

They were distracted by the crowd, which in my opinion bear a significant portion of the fault in this case.

Picking a fight with 4 armed men is a really bad idea, no matter what the other facts of the case are.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


No. They did get up off him when he became unsresponsive. But that's guess work. Since you're not a cop, you don't know what they were thinking. They have to ensure that he's under control at all times. They don't just let up until they believe that he's calmed down.
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Sorry not buying it. Why did he say he couldn't breathe before they ever even got him down on the ground? Because he was already in cardiopulmonary distress. Probably because of the huge influx of fentanyl.
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They can spin all they want. It doesn't change the facts.
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Sorry not buying it. Why did he say he couldn't breathe before they ever even got him down on the ground? Because he was already in cardiopulmonary distress. Probably because of the huge influx of fentanyl.
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You have arteries running up the side of your neck that bring blood to your brain. They are called vertebral arteries. If you stop that blood from flowing you will not be able to breath.

Trust me on this. I had a dentist break one while trying to do a root canal. I stopped breathing, had a stroke and had to be rushed to the hospital in an ambulance. Thank God I recovered fully. But I only have the one left, on my left side. Happened to me in 2015.
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My daughter had the same thing happen in January with the arterial disection. She also had a stroke and now has only one left. It's been a long 3 months, but all in all she is doing pretty well now considering. How are you doing these years later? Any lingering effects such as balance issues?
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Once again, this shows us this position of the two knees of Chauvin's. They are alleging the second knee caused the compression of his chest.

This was before the pin was applied since I can't nail the exact moment due to the video becoming obscured:

https://imgur.com/VZb22k3


At most 14 seconds after the pin began:

https://imgur.com/zCuKMe1


This is at most 4:17 after the pin began (Floyd is still communicative):

https://imgur.com/gZi97gu


This is at most 7:12 after the pin began (Floyd is unresponsive):

https://imgur.com/5lIfWEM


This is how StevenCrowder (and undoubtedly many others) incorrectly interpreted the prosecutions arguments:



The uncensored screen cap of that video:

https://imgur.com/xYAXXGp


Of course, even IF he had his weight over his back, it would still not suffocate him. But he didn't.

And even if this glance over his back somehow suffocated him, it looks far more accidental than having his legs firmly planted over the center of his back.

Those 'experts' were selling their names in the interests of 'social justice'. They deliberately disregarded evidence that contradicted their conclusions, such as Floyd saying he couldn't breathe 4 times before being pinned to the ground and before any apparent obstruction by any officer and exaggerated the location of his second knee.

https://imgur.com/sytSoR3


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When this first occurred, my impression was that he was actually going through a heart attack about when he was in the back of the police car. Might that not explain why he kept saying "I'm going down"? The fact that he was in pain from the heart attack and needed to get on the ground? I'm not when the heart stops during a heart attack? Whether it starts and stops or what (I think if it stopped totally and didn't start up again it is logical that blood to the brain would cause someone to pass out in the accepted time for decapitation and other forms of strangulation, within 30 seconds NOTE: my brother hung himself a few months ago, so I've been thinking about this a bit)? Or whether it 'hurts all over'? I think he sounds like he was in medical crisis before he was even pinned and he didn't communicate it (yes he communicated he was hurting all over, but he didn't come out and say he thinks he might be having a heart attack).

Symptons of a heart attack:

Chest pain
Discomfort in the chest
Pain in the back, neck, shoulders, arms, and the jaw
Abdominal pain
Perspiration
Shortness of breath
Nausea or vomiting
Lightheadedness
Feeling a sense of impending doom

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04/10/2021 11:46 AM
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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial - Day 10 - Livestream
The 2 white guys on that jury are in their 20s and 30s, so are more likely liberals. They filled the jury with women and minorities and young men. They distort the truth, with experts who're willing to push their social justice cause. And it looks increasingly like the defense don't get any experts because they are too afraid to go against Black Lives Matter in case they receive death threats or retribution over it. And yet if there is an acquital after all of this in their favour, which is unlikely, they're going to riot?

I keep hearing from these 'tolerant, progressive' liberal dogs that it is only men like me (single white undesirable and potentially autistic men) that are terrorists, so it would sure be nice to see the shoe on the other foot.

Last Edited by GooPile on 04/10/2021 11:51 AM
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