Why Derek Chauvin is GUILTY of FIRST DEGREE murder according to the law.

George Floyd was the criminal all the way! Passing a counterfeit bill, using illegal drugs falling from his pockets. Loaded on dangerous drugs. Resisting arrest because he knew he would be going to jail!
What crime did the officer commit? Being called by a store employee to check out the counterfeit bill?

The officer was doing his job! And the officer's knee from another angle was on George Floyd's shoulder!

The Officer is innocent! Just doing his job!

You're saying he needs to be forced to take a massive overdose of dangerous drugs like George Floyd did??

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Most people would be ashamed to be an idiot. You should not be taking pride in it.

Why is Chauvin guilty of first degree murder? First degree murder has several elements which must be met. First, of course, there must be a death at the hands of another, defined as homicide. The medical examiner and medical specialists and every witness who has testified so far testified that this was a homicide, so that element is proved beyond reasonable doubt. George Floyd died as the direct result of Derek Chauvins actions, in a coordinated three on one PHYSICAL ATTACK on another.

Second, the accused must have had a primary responsibility for that death. So far all of the medical experts agree Derek Chauvins actions were the primary cause of Floyds death, so absent some new information this element is presumably met.

Third, He had to know his actions would result in death, the intent part of he definition. We heard testimony Chauvin was trained specifically to avoid positional asphyxia when subduing suspects, and we saw him ignore that training for a total of over 9 minutes. Intent. Once a suspect is in handcuffs he is not to be held prone for more time than is necessary to get him handcuffed because breathing is impaired in that position. My feeling on it is Chauvin heard Floyd complaining he couldn't breathe before he actually couldn't, and thought he could say he thought he must have been able to breathe because he was talking, and therefor was lying after held on the ground.

The police chief and trainer both testified Chauvin received this training and knowledge, that death was the probable result f this specific action.


The last element of first degree murder is premeditation, to have time to change his mind and to decide not to anyway, the premeditation and most depraved element, and why first degree murder is the worst type.

We can assume that Chauvin had at least four minutes to decide not to kill Floyd, since that is how long after he stopped breathing and moving and no pulse was found before Chauvin finally got up off of him. Chauvin knew at that point when no pulse was felt that he was "finishing him off", and making sure he died. AT this point CPR could have saved him, but Chauvin didn't try it and didn't allow anyone else to including a trained paramedic.

There is no way anyone can claim Chauvin didn't realize what he was doing would kill Floyd, because he was specifically trained that it it would, called positional asphyxia. The conscious and unconscious neck restraint was explained in detail in trial testimony, that continuing it after unconsciousness occurred would surely result in death in minutes and Chauvin was trained to know this.

I have seen so many people who claim they could and would survive what was done to Floyd, and I can tell you though my own personal experience, you would not. The position of Floyd and the weight of two men pressing down on his back and neck made getting the oxygen he needed to live completely impossible, and in my opinion based on what I saw and the information I have heard, Chauvin knew he was killing Floyd, intended to kill Floyd, and had plenty of time to think about it and change his mind.

Alot of people will argue the police have a hard job, and a lot of people make excuses for them when they abuse suspects that sound like this. They are also well paid to do their jobs, and are not forced into that line of work by anyone. I have also seen so many people say polcie shoudl be given privileged latitude because of the difficulty and courage their jobs require, and the danger they are exposed to. Let me remind you, all of us are exposed to the same exact dangers, and most of us dont have twenty armed men to back us up. ANd we certainly doent have the latitude to defend ourselves. Try to shoot someone because you saw a gun in their hand and see how fast you get locked up. And Ill tell you something else, if YOU and three of your friends had done this exact same thing to ANYONE, you'd be on trial for first degree murder. I think almost all of us here realize this, but there is a certain percentage of people who believe police should be held to special privileged standards. I think the opposite, I think people trained and paid to enforce THE LAW should be held to a HIGHER STANDAND of legal and moral behavior, not a lower one.

I don't think anyone has claimed Floyd didn't have some history, but I think when you try to label a man you have to look at both the good and the bad. By this measure Floyd was more good than bad.
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No one can put a monetary value on someone elses life. And no one can use past misdeeds as an excuse to murder him. Floyd plead guilty and served his time.


But keep in mind when police are sued for abusing and killing people, they are personally protected from liability by a convoluted and illogical legal doctrine referred to as "qualified immunity", and it is the taxpayers who pay the price for their misconduct. The police unions give them legal aid and defend the most grievous and depraved actions.IMO if a court rules the cops committed a crime of any kind , "qualified immunity" should not apply to them. Both the department who hired them and the cop himself are liable for his actions.





So who should the police be answering to?

What I think he deserves personally is to have the exact same thing done to him. While he is dying he'll have a few minutes to reflect on how bad what he did was. People like Chauvin shouldn't ever be loose on the streets, but the reality is there are a lot of cops who think just like he does. I am certain a lot of them who kill suspects do it because they enjoy it. You have to consider what kind of person gravitates to a job that gives him unconditionally legally required respect, and command over the lives of others. The kind that cant get it any other way.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. What I wrote is not an opinion, it is a fact

Chauvin weighs about 165, and he concentrated all of that weight onto one knee, the one on Floyds neck. It is scary to think people watched that video and said what they watched was OK.

This would be a very dangerous precedent to set, for all of our sake. The one fact the white supremacists overlook is that if they get away with doing this to a black man, when they do it to them or someone they care about no one is going to want to hear about how wrong it was if they're white.

Thats not what I said. He did the drugs himself and they had nothign to do with his death. Chauvin deserves to have three men handcuff him, and snuff the life out of him just like he did to Floyd. If he lives through it then he walks

"State jail" in Texas is prison. There are like in other states different levels of security for different type of crimes , but a "state jail crime" in Texas is just another word for felony.

Apparently, I'm the only one that knows this was an OBVIOUS deepfake.

CHAUVIN like chauvinism.

Wake up, people. Jeez.

Again this country needs law enforcement and your bolded statement contradicts that a bit

There's plenty of smart, well-adjusted ,caring people who go into law enforcement because they actually want to serve their communities

Your statement makes it sound like you believe the majority of police are unhinged killers, and they are psychotic

Civilized society needs police officers and the vast majority are there to help.. are there crazy ones who do got into it for selfish reasons? Sure, but a lot of them get rooted out doing stupid shit

Are there bad cops, absolutely... But it's not as much as a percentage as the media would like you to think.. maybe 5% of cops are bad, 10% max

Sure , do we need to get the number down, yes... But I've seen plenty of cops save people's lives and help people unconditionally.. I wouldn't judge somebody as a psychopath because they're a cop

The same way I wouldnt think somebody's a gangbanger cuz they're black, or a mathematician cuz they're Asian

We absolutely need police to keep our society in check, we need to do a better job of training our police and getting qualified people

Yes he did. But he was breathing deeply and rapidly, obviously having a panic attack, and certainly not ODing on opioids . When adrenaline dumps in a panic attack, the victim always thinks he cant get enough air, and he needs more than under ordinary circumstances. Chauvin knew this.

Similar has been done to White men in similar situations already. No cops were charged with crimes- and I don't believe they even lost jobs.

"Obviously"? Lol. You obviously know nothing about how a fentanyl OD works. The dude swallowed his stash.

And regarding your comment about Chauvin putting his whole weight on Floyd's neck, that's patently false. You can see in the video Floyd easily raising his neck up which couldn't be done with a 165lb weight on it.

All this is coming out in court. Chauvin won't be convicted of anything.

What a shit thread. The toxicology report for floyd is public. None of you retards calling this murder would have survived the level of fentanyl in floyd's system... he had enough substances to OD each and every one of you.

Not to mention the entire thing was a ritualistic masonic setup. The "paramedics" dressed up as cops, the cops in a car with a license plate which read POLICE, the hidden hand in the pocket of chauvin, the 666 artwork in the photos.

Some people are so gullible.

If I was on the jury, I would not be able to convict. George took drugs a ton of them. We don't know exactly how much due to the saline which lowers the dose. He was on IV in the ambulance.

If I was on the jury, I would not be able to convict. George took drugs a ton of them. We don't know exactly how much due to the saline which lowers the dose. He was on IV in the ambulance.

If I was on the jury, I would not be able to convict. George took drugs a ton of them. We don't know exactly how much due to the saline which lowers the dose. He was on IV in the ambulance.

What do you think of black people?

I bet less than a dog

I agree, it could be. But if it was it involved a real murder. The white supremacists are slated for elimination IMO

Floyd had a very large dose of fentanyl in his system and a small quantity of meth. Dude was speedballing meth and fentanyl.

Thousands have overdosed and died from speedballs.

On GLP there are only two schools of thought:

1) A police force is probably neccessary but cops need to be held accountable for improper or unlawful behavior on the job like any other profession. They need to treat people with respect and not violate their civil rights. The way police and the prosecutors currently self-monitor is not working and needs to be changed.

or more prevalently

2) Without cops society would completely collapse and we would all be defenseless captives of hordes of inner city criminals. Therefore, cops can do anything they want with no repercussions. You do what you told when a cop tells you to do so no matter what it is whether your legal rights are being violated or not. If someone does not comply the cops should have authority to commit summary executions. If you don't support cops in everything they do then you are 100% against them and are fundamentally one of the aforementioned criminal hordes.


That is not an exaggeration, there is NO middle ground on GLP possible because the bizarre #2 stance. Something simple like uttering "hey, just an idea, but maybe you shouldn't cut off a guy's airway at the neck or chest with your full bodyweight - particularly when he is already hyperventilating!?!?!" is outright heresy here. You have to veer off into whether a guy is high or did a porn at one point in his life. It is crazy here.