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User ID: 9983835 United States 04/14/2021 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From [link to legalinsurrection.com (secure)] Quoting: snark OVER 5,000 DISCOVERY ITEMS DUMPED ON DEFENSE DURING TRIAL Another interesting mention in yesterday’s “housekeeping” meeting with Judge Cahill came up in the context of the number of disclosures and exhibits that have been dumped on the defense in this case—a large chunk of which have been dumped on the defense even as the trial was taking place. As background, there are always materials collected by the parties that ought to be shared with the opposing counsel as part of discovery. Under Minnesota procedure, each item is labeled with what’s called a Bates stamp, a unique identifying number, and then a bunch of these are collected together and delivered as a “disclosure.” Ideally, by the time a trial actually starts both sides will have long since received the other’s disclosure items, early enough to have time to consider and research them before the trial begins. That has not been the process in this trial, particularly with respect of state disclosures to the defense. When this trial began, the state had already delivered to the defense 41 disclosures consisting of 45,118 Bates stamped items. If that sound like a lot, that’s because it is. But the disclosures of the state did not stop there, as one would normally expect. Indeed, not even close. Since the start of the trial—in other words, while the sole defense attorney Nelson has been occupied the entirety of every day in trial on this case—the state has continued to deliver disclosures to the defense, each containing a great many Bates stamped items. Indeed, since the start of the trial the state has made 12 additional disclosures to the defense, consisting of 5,154 additional Bates stamped items. Yes, that’s 5,154. Yesterday was the 12th day of this trial. That works out to the defense having to review newly delivered Bates stamped items at an average of 430 per day. That’s 430 newly delivered Bates items per day. That, folks, is not normal. The defense raised this issue yesterday afternoon in the context of anticipated cross-examination of defense experts by the state today. Much of the most recently delivered discovery consists of materials that could be, certainly will be, used in an attempt to impeach those defense experts. Given the delivery of this discovery so late in the course of the trial, and the volume of the material, the defense is asking the court to order the prosecution to disclose in some detail exactly which of those newly disclosed exhibits it actually intends to use to impeach. The judge asked the prosecution to do so, to the extent they reasonably could, which strikes me as completely ineffectual solution to this real problem for the defense. I expect the real reason the defense raised this issue on the record was, well, to establish it as an issue on the record for purposes of appeal. why would a judge allow such an obvious stunt by the prosecution. if he wants to be addressed as "your honor", then he should grow a spine and call out the prosecution's BS as a black woman from montpelier, vermont, i gotta say... im doing just fine |
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User ID: 24262777 United States 04/14/2021 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean I get that he is insinuating carbon monoxide poisoning, but couldn't the state argue that Chauvin was culpable for this by placing Floyd on the ground near the squad exhaust? Quoting: snark Yes, but really Floyd put himself there by resisting. Also, if no one has thought about this as a contributing cause of death, and the state didn’t consider it, then how can the officers have known? So there isn’t culpability for the reasonable police officer. I think this also shows the medical examiner didn’t do a thorough job. That is, he should have tested the blood since carbon monoxide could be a factor. So it impeaches the prosecution and the state, at least somewhat. |
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User ID: 78689367 United States 04/14/2021 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean I get that he is insinuating carbon monoxide poisoning, but couldn't the state argue that Chauvin was culpable for this by placing Floyd on the ground near the squad exhaust? Quoting: snark Yes, but really Floyd put himself there by resisting. Also, if no one has thought about this as a contributing cause of death, and the state didn’t consider it, then how can the officers have known? So there isn’t culpability for the reasonable police officer. I think this also shows the medical examiner didn’t do a thorough job. That is, he should have tested the blood since carbon monoxide could be a factor. So it impeaches the prosecution and the state, at least somewhat. All suspects though are given a level of public protection/safety and why there is guidance for levels of risk versus levels of threats. I'd probably lean towards negligence to safety in this regard. The officers themselves could have become affected. Serpentine Green |
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(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean I get that he is insinuating carbon monoxide poisoning, but couldn't the state argue that Chauvin was culpable for this by placing Floyd on the ground near the squad exhaust? Quoting: snark Yes, I think Nelson is going for "Reasonable Doubt" rather than cause. "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
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User ID: 79396918 United States 04/14/2021 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Man Bear Pig its hard to watch these live links... with liberal mainstream news casters. Showing so much bias against the defense Watch PBS they don't talk at all Thank you I will add that to the original OP volume seems low on the PBS, doesnt help when then are talking through their mask, sounding like Charlie Browns teacher or Kenny on South Park I’m watching it on the Washington Post on YouTube. Zero talking. |
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User ID: 78689367 United States 04/14/2021 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prosecution's cross is going to zero in on Fowler's testimony on his opinion for cause of death that included 'officer restraint'. In both versions, official and Fowler, the restraint is included and it would seem fair that there was some level of 'negligence' for not moving Floyd to a side position after he had been sufficiently restrained. Serpentine Green |
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User ID: 79571087 United States 04/14/2021 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean I get that he is insinuating carbon monoxide poisoning, but couldn't the state argue that Chauvin was culpable for this by placing Floyd on the ground near the squad exhaust? Quoting: snark Chauvin placed him inside the vehicle but Floyd did not want to stay there. IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SHUT THE FUCKIN DOOR..HE WOULD HAVE DIED IN THERE FROM A HEART ATTACK AND A DRUG OVERDOES..WHICH IS WHAT DID HAPPEN. AND THERE WOULD JUST B A DEAD REGGIN FROM DRUGS. ANOTHER NOTHING TO SEE HERE STORY muckuh |
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(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had no idea they had a picture of the contraband inside of fentanyl Floyds mouth! Quoting: Don Draper from Nantucket That camera catches everything. "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
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(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | https://twitter.com/_/status/1382383033408499712 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79324350 United States 04/14/2021 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to Wunderground, at 8 pm on 5/25 it was 76 degrees with 66% relative humidity, high temp that day was 82. I would say at this temperature, the AC would be on in the cruiser and would probably be pumping out a lot of water from the evaporator drain. Seems more like the water on the pavement was from this and not the exhaust, you might see that much water out the tailpipe in the middle of winter but on a warm day on a fully warmed up vehicle that has likely been running all day long you just wouldn't get that much collecting on the ground. |
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(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did a bit more research on they Explorer hybrid, the electric motor will power the air conditioner compressor even when the gas engine is off. Quoting: R. Wordsworth According to Wunderground, at 8 pm on 5/25 it was 76 degrees with 66% relative humidity, high temp that day was 82. I would say at this temperature, the AC would be on in the cruiser and would probably be pumping out a lot of water from the evaporator drain. Seems more like the water on the pavement was from this and not the exhaust, you might see that much water out the tailpipe in the middle of winter but on a warm day on a fully warmed up vehicle that has likely been running all day long you just wouldn't get that much collecting on the ground. There's been a twist in where that liquid came from now, Dr. Fowler says it was water from the exhaust. I live in a high humidity state I see water dripping from car exhausts at red lights during daytime. Last Edited by BBQ BOY™ on 04/14/2021 01:39 PM "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
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(OP) User ID: 72493816 United States 04/14/2021 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had no idea they had a picture of the contraband inside of fentanyl Floyds mouth! Quoting: Don Draper from Nantucket I missed this too. Where did you see this? https://twitter.com/_/status/1382383033408499712 "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
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