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The OP
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shameless agitating fuck (OP) User ID: 340297 United Kingdom 12/17/2007 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, we should all follow your fascist ways in which only entertainment forms you like deserve the names you consider nice. Quoting: The OPWell er okay, chill dude I'm just venting at how annoying some stuff can be its not that dont love the stuff I rip apart, its just that I feel superior to the dumbass science fiction writers, at least in imagination, for example when did you ever see a serious flick set in the future that didn't have something stupid in it, mainly thanks to the director's artistic license, BOLLOCKS. Hay maybe someone should try to do a uber realistic high budget documentary about possible futures, cybernetics robotics and space travel interest me the most, reality is way cooler and stranger than fiction I wonder about synthetic diamond chips and quantum computing whatever that is, point being the current sci fi fantasy shit aint doing it for me, thats all I was trying to say, ya arsehole. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 335524 United States 12/17/2007 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dune is best enjoyed as a book series. Although the SciFi channel miniseries wasn't bad, the story doesn't easily translate onto the screen, as many of the notable points consist of the characters' internal dialog and realizations. |
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Duncan Kunz
User ID: 328931 United States 12/17/2007 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of the really great science fiction stories, when made into movies, suffered; examples are Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Frank Herbert's Dune. And certainly "hard" mainstream science fiction -- such as Encounter with Tiber by Buzz Aldrin (who, if I am not mistaken, had another career before becoming an author); Footfall and Lucifer's Hammer By Niven and Pournelle; Homegoing by Frederick Pohl, and just about anything by Poul Anderson, Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinlein, Anne McCaffrey, and Arthur C. Clarke -- are based on logical extrapolation from some basic premises. Certainly the FTL "warp" drive, although rendered improbable by Einstein et. al., is a valid and viable literary mechanism for mainstream science fiction, as is time travel. And "Star Trek", at least in its earliest incarnation, was more social commentary than "hard" science fiction -- but then, that was all it was intended to be. Finally, there are authors who are gifted writers of both science fiction and fantasy. Look at Ursula K. LeGuin whose Left Hand of Darkness and The Word for World is Forest are truly great hard science fiction, while her Wizard of Earthsea is equally brilliant fantasy. Look at Jack Vance with his {i}the Last Castle, Planet of Adventure and Dying Earth series; the former a Nebula-winner, the latter, delightful fantasy. Look at Orson Scott Card, whose writing spans science fiction (Ender's Game), fantasy (Alvin Maker) and even a re-telling of the Book of Mormon in an SF genre (Homecoming). Young Jedi, turn off your television and hie thee to a library. Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim? |
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Thanatos
User ID: 324533 United States 12/17/2007 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Come over to the Dark Side. Play World of Warcraft. I spent this morning flying around in a helicopter on another planet while shooting alien satanic lizard cats with a bow and arrows. It may not make sense, but damn its addictive. Rarrgh! |
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Billy Joel
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Dr Dre User ID: 5755 United Kingdom 12/17/2007 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Come over to the Dark Side. Play World of Warcraft. I spent this morning flying around in a helicopter on another planet while shooting alien satanic lizard cats with a bow and arrows. It may not make sense, but damn its addictive. Quoting: ThanatosThanatos did you ever see the Southpark episode that dealt with WOW? Its Hilarious. Duncan every read any of the series written by Jack Chalker. The "Well of Souls" books are quite good. |
Spectrum Blue
User ID: 333587 United States 12/17/2007 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, a few of my favorite books are sci-fi. Ender's Game, Speaker For The Dead, and Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. 3 of the best books I've read. They're more psychological and moral based than anything though. Ah forgot Ender's Shadow. Dreams will begin as they fade into chaos. |
Munster
User ID: 259429 United States 12/17/2007 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand that writting science fiction is hard work but I could do miles better if I dont say so myself, Ha hA. Quoting: shameless agitating fuck 340297Google "paragraph" and your writing skills will certainly improve. |
Thanatos
User ID: 324533 United States 12/17/2007 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Come over to the Dark Side. Play World of Warcraft. I spent this morning flying around in a helicopter on another planet while shooting alien satanic lizard cats with a bow and arrows. It may not make sense, but damn its addictive. Quoting: Dr Dre 5755Thanatos did you ever see the Southpark episode that dealt with WOW? Its Hilarious. Duncan every read any of the series written by Jack Chalker. The "Well of Souls" books are quite good. It was hilarious yet sad at the same time because I am rapidly approaching the status of He Who Has No Life... Rarrgh! |
Duncan Kunz
User ID: 341656 United States 12/17/2007 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, a few of my favorite books are sci-fi. Ender's Game, Speaker For The Dead, and Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Quoting: Spectrum Blue3 of the best books I've read. They're more psychological and moral based than anything though. Ah forgot Ender's Shadow. I don't know if you knew this, but Orson Scott Card was an editor for The Ensign. Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim? |
Duncan Kunz
User ID: 341656 United States 12/17/2007 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Star trek, star wars, babylon 5, dune, whatever its all fantasy not science fiction, it might as well be lord of the rings cuz they are about as logical, SOUND IN SPACE, WARP DRIVE, HUMANOID ALIENS WITH PLASTASEEN STUCK TO THERE FACE, Quoting: shameless agitating fuck 340297Stop right here, and see if I can translate the above into English: Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, Dune: that's not science fiction; it's fantasy. For all the hard science implied, it might as well be Lord of the Rings for all the logic I can see. Imagine: hearing sound in the vacuum of space; "warp drive"; artificial humanoids with plasticene makeup! That group of thoughts is what writers call a "paragraph". It consists of two or three -- someitiems more -- coherent thoujght items called "sentences". Each sentence has, at a minimum, a "subject", which is a person, pladce or thing; and a "verb" which is an "action word". In the first pragraph, each sentence had at least one verb: in the first sentence, it is the verb "is". You don't actually see the word "is" because it's hidden in two other words: "that's", which is a contraction of "that is"; and "it's", which is a contraction of "it is". I understand that writting science fiction is hard work but I could do miles better if I dont say so myself, Ha hA. Quoting: shameless agitating fuck 340297I'm afraid you cannot. You lack spelling, grammar, an understanding of punctuation, and -- worst of all -- no understanding whatsoever of how to string words together to make sentences, sentences to make paragraphs, and paragraphs to make what you post easy to read and understand Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim? |
Alucard
User ID: 341608 Canada 12/17/2007 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Star trek, star wars, babylon 5, dune, whatever its all fantasy not science fiction, it might as well be lord of the rings cuz they are about as logical, SOUND IN SPACE, WARP DRIVE, HUMANOID ALIENS WITH PLASTASEEN STUCK TO THERE FACE, even the most trippy out there science fiction movies are just totally unimaginative, giant worms on dune they were cool, the millenium falcon getting eaten by that thing also some kind of worm I believe, just like that guy who got eaten by a whale, cool thing to rip off plus if you listen real close there is like no science whats so ever, in star trek they talk a lot of bollocks that might as well be magic spells in ancient elvish for all the sense it makes but in dune and star wars nobody ever stops to explain jack shit, yeah this is my magic light saber batteries not included or I am the quizzacksaderack cuz I eat giant worm poo thats called spice, yeah star wars is full of technical looking stuff, flashing lights and what not but its complete fantasy just like dune. Quoting: shameless agitating fuck 340297Now the star wars encyclopedia [yes I'm a big geek] has lots of cool interesting shit in it, plus explanations, trippy alien spider plants, the seed crawls away like a tarantula and plants itself or how about a race of trippy alien insects that have a sort of organic radio transmitter instead of vocal cords allowing them to communicate silently over great distances, the list goes on and on, cool trippy scary stuff but with some sort of reasonable scientific explanation even if its completely stupid like star trek at least try to make the effort ya lazy fucks. AnYhOo this all came about during a science fiction film marathon that lasted like two days and was started by a dvd called outland with sean connery, cant believe I had never even heard of this film, ya really do learn something new every day, anyway the wife and sons acting was really shit, oh my god it was shit, DADDY ? hes like thirteen, but they get gone pretty quick and its all good from there, yes it had major flaws, MAJOR FLAWS but connery and the sets made up for it, I want her kitchen and that breakfast bench. AnYhOo after that science fiction marathon and a nap I thought i would educate myself about outer space, you know cuz I realised I knew very little about our solar system and would you believe it, it turns out to be very interesting, now I blame the nasa guys, they are so boring, the moment they start to talk about probes and satalites people fall asleep, they need adverts or some shit, anyway back to the interesting, trippy alien worlds VENUS, oh my god it would be so cool to go to venus, 900 degrees in the shade cuz its all in the shade cuz its covered in a thick cloud it has volcanoes and rains sulfuric acid and the atmosphere is so thick and dense they say you could swim or fly through it, er flip flops and strap on wings, anyone up for hang gliding ? Then you have cryo volcanoes thats a trippy reverse right ? I want more reality and science in my science fiction CUZ reality really is stranger than fiction, fuck star trek and their stupid away missions to planets with perfect gravity and atmospheres, STUPID, DUMB, RETARDED. [link to www.youtube.com] I understand that writting science fiction is hard work but I could do miles better if I dont say so myself, Ha hA. do you even know why they call them science fiction movies? it's because there is actual science involved mixed in with fiction , fantasy is pure fiction |
Alucard
User ID: 341608 Canada 12/17/2007 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Star trek, star wars, babylon 5, dune, whatever its all fantasy not science fiction, it might as well be lord of the rings cuz they are about as logical, SOUND IN SPACE, WARP DRIVE, HUMANOID ALIENS WITH PLASTASEEN STUCK TO THERE FACE, Quoting: Duncan KunzStop right here, and see if I can translate the above into English: Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, Dune: that's not science fiction; it's fantasy. For all the hard science implied, it might as well be Lord of the Rings for all the logic I can see. Imagine: hearing sound in the vacuum of space; "warp drive"; artificial humanoids with plasticene makeup! That group of thoughts is what writers call a "paragraph". It consists of two or three -- someitiems more -- coherent thoujght items called "sentences". Each sentence has, at a minimum, a "subject", which is a person, pladce or thing; and a "verb" which is an "action word". In the first pragraph, each sentence had at least one verb: in the first sentence, it is the verb "is". You don't actually see the word "is" because it's hidden in two other words: "that's", which is a contraction of "that is"; and "it's", which is a contraction of "it is". I understand that writting science fiction is hard work but I could do miles better if I dont say so myself, Ha hA. I'm afraid you cannot. You lack spelling, grammar, an understanding of punctuation, and -- worst of all -- no understanding whatsoever of how to string words together to make sentences, sentences to make paragraphs, and paragraphs to make what you post easy to read and understand this place should have an age limit or a spell checker built in lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 341675 United States 12/17/2007 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Certainly the FTL "warp" drive, although rendered improbable by Einstein et. al., is a valid and viable literary mechanism for mainstream science fiction Quoting: Duncan KunzObviously you never heard of the Alcubierre Warp Drive; [link to en.wikipedia.org] The Alcubierre metric, also known as the Alcubierre drive or Warp Drive, is a speculative mathematical model of a spacetime exhibiting features reminiscent of the fictional "warp drive" from Star Trek, which can travel "Faster-than-light" (although not in a local sense - see below). In 1994, the Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre proposed in the Journal of Classical and Quantum Gravity a method of stretching space in a wave which would in theory cause the fabric of space ahead of a spacecraft to contract and the space behind it to expand. The ship would ride this wave inside a region known as a warp bubble of flat space. Since the ship is not moving within this bubble, but carried along as the region itself moves, conventional relativistic effects such as time dilation do not apply in the way they would in the case of a ship moving at high velocity through flat spacetime. Also, this method of travel does not actually involve moving faster than light in a local sense, since a light beam within the bubble would still always move faster than the ship; it is only "faster than light" in the sense that, thanks to the contraction of the space in front of it, the ship could reach its destination faster than a light beam restricted to travelling outside the warp bubble. Thus, the Alcubierre drive does not contradict the conventional claim that relativity forbids a slower-than-light object to accelerate to faster-than-light speeds. However, there are no known methods to create such a warp bubble in a region that does not already contain one, or to leave the bubble once inside it, so the Alcubierre drive remains a theoretical concept at this time. ----- Warp Drive: Hyperfast travel within general relativity [link to members.shaw.ca] |
Thanatos
User ID: 324533 United States 12/17/2007 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Certainly the FTL "warp" drive, although rendered improbable by Einstein et. al., is a valid and viable literary mechanism for mainstream science fiction Quoting: Anonymous Coward 341675Obviously you never heard of the Alcubierre Warp Drive; [link to en.wikipedia.org] The Alcubierre metric, also known as the Alcubierre drive or Warp Drive, is a speculative mathematical model of a spacetime exhibiting features reminiscent of the fictional "warp drive" from Star Trek, which can travel "Faster-than-light" (although not in a local sense - see below). In 1994, the Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre proposed in the Journal of Classical and Quantum Gravity a method of stretching space in a wave which would in theory cause the fabric of space ahead of a spacecraft to contract and the space behind it to expand. The ship would ride this wave inside a region known as a warp bubble of flat space. Since the ship is not moving within this bubble, but carried along as the region itself moves, conventional relativistic effects such as time dilation do not apply in the way they would in the case of a ship moving at high velocity through flat spacetime. Also, this method of travel does not actually involve moving faster than light in a local sense, since a light beam within the bubble would still always move faster than the ship; it is only "faster than light" in the sense that, thanks to the contraction of the space in front of it, the ship could reach its destination faster than a light beam restricted to travelling outside the warp bubble. Thus, the Alcubierre drive does not contradict the conventional claim that relativity forbids a slower-than-light object to accelerate to faster-than-light speeds. However, there are no known methods to create such a warp bubble in a region that does not already contain one, or to leave the bubble once inside it, so the Alcubierre drive remains a theoretical concept at this time. ----- Warp Drive: Hyperfast travel within general relativity [link to members.shaw.ca] I know what I want for Christmas... Sadly, space is rather inflexible and this would require the energy output of a small star. I wonder if it takes AA batteries? Rarrgh! |
Billy Joel
User ID: 341075 United States 12/17/2007 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, a few of my favorite books are sci-fi. Ender's Game, Speaker For The Dead, and Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Quoting: Spectrum Blue3 of the best books I've read. They're more psychological and moral based than anything though. Ah forgot Ender's Shadow. Ah yes! I love the Hitchhiker's Guide books. I wouldn't really call them "hard sci-fi" in the vein of previous examples given, as they're largely comedy books that parody the popular conceptions of sci-fi, but they are some of my favorite books ever, nonetheless. |
pulp Woo Woo fiction User ID: 334818 United States 12/17/2007 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "90% of everything is crap" [link to www.depauw.edu] Lem puts the Science in science fiction. I can't for the life of me figure why he isn't more popular. PKD's got some good reality-shift mindfucks. But he goes to that well a few many times. I enjoyed the Sturgastki brothers stuff as a teen. But yeah, the science fictional aspects are just mechanisms for them to talk about what they're really interested in. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 311582 United States 12/18/2007 08:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Star trek, star wars, babylon 5, dune, whatever its all fantasy not science fiction, it might as well be lord of the rings cuz they are about as logical, SOUND IN SPACE, WARP DRIVE, HUMANOID ALIENS WITH PLASTASEEN STUCK TO THERE FACE, even the most trippy out there science fiction movies are just totally unimaginative, giant worms on dune they were cool, the millenium falcon getting eaten by that thing also some kind of worm I believe, just like that guy who got eaten by a whale, cool thing to rip off plus if you listen real close there is like no science whats so ever, in star trek they talk a lot of bollocks that might as well be magic spells in ancient elvish for all the sense it makes but in dune and star wars nobody ever stops to explain jack shit, yeah this is my magic light saber batteries not included or I am the quizzacksaderack cuz I eat giant worm poo thats called spice, yeah star wars is full of technical looking stuff, flashing lights and what not but its complete fantasy just like dune. Quoting: shameless agitating fuck 340297Now the star wars encyclopedia [yes I'm a big geek] has lots of cool interesting shit in it, plus explanations, trippy alien spider plants, the seed crawls away like a tarantula and plants itself or how about a race of trippy alien insects that have a sort of organic radio transmitter instead of vocal cords allowing them to communicate silently over great distances, the list goes on and on, cool trippy scary stuff but with some sort of reasonable scientific explanation even if its completely stupid like star trek at least try to make the effort ya lazy fucks. AnYhOo this all came about during a science fiction film marathon that lasted like two days and was started by a dvd called outland with sean connery, cant believe I had never even heard of this film, ya really do learn something new every day, anyway the wife and sons acting was really shit, oh my god it was shit, DADDY ? hes like thirteen, but they get gone pretty quick and its all good from there, yes it had major flaws, MAJOR FLAWS but connery and the sets made up for it, I want her kitchen and that breakfast bench. AnYhOo after that science fiction marathon and a nap I thought i would educate myself about outer space, you know cuz I realised I knew very little about our solar system and would you believe it, it turns out to be very interesting, now I blame the nasa guys, they are so boring, the moment they start to talk about probes and satalites people fall asleep, they need adverts or some shit, anyway back to the interesting, trippy alien worlds VENUS, oh my god it would be so cool to go to venus, 900 degrees in the shade cuz its all in the shade cuz its covered in a thick cloud it has volcanoes and rains sulfuric acid and the atmosphere is so thick and dense they say you could swim or fly through it, er flip flops and strap on wings, anyone up for hang gliding ? Then you have cryo volcanoes thats a trippy reverse right ? I want more reality and science in my science fiction CUZ reality really is stranger than fiction, fuck star trek and their stupid away missions to planets with perfect gravity and atmospheres, STUPID, DUMB, RETARDED. [link to www.youtube.com] I understand that writting science fiction is hard work but I could do miles better if I dont say so myself, Ha hA. |
shameless agitating fuck (OP) User ID: 340297 United Kingdom 12/18/2007 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, stop listening to stupid rap music too much and get a real education first. I recommended private tutoring service, as going back to kindergarten might be an embarrassment for you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311582Star trek, star wars, babylon 5, dune, whatever its all fantasy not science fiction, it might as well be lord of the rings cuz they are about as logical, SOUND IN SPACE, WARP DRIVE, HUMANOID ALIENS WITH PLASTASEEN STUCK TO THERE FACE, even the most trippy out there science fiction movies are just totally unimaginative, giant worms on dune they were cool, the millenium falcon getting eaten by that thing also some kind of worm I believe, just like that guy who got eaten by a whale, cool thing to rip off plus if you listen real close there is like no science whats so ever, in star trek they talk a lot of bollocks that might as well be magic spells in ancient elvish for all the sense it makes but in dune and star wars nobody ever stops to explain jack shit, yeah this is my magic light saber batteries not included or I am the quizzacksaderack cuz I eat giant worm poo thats called spice, yeah star wars is full of technical looking stuff, flashing lights and what not but its complete fantasy just like dune. Now the star wars encyclopedia [yes I'm a big geek] has lots of cool interesting shit in it, plus explanations, trippy alien spider plants, the seed crawls away like a tarantula and plants itself or how about a race of trippy alien insects that have a sort of organic radio transmitter instead of vocal cords allowing them to communicate silently over great distances, the list goes on and on, cool trippy scary stuff but with some sort of reasonable scientific explanation even if its completely stupid like star trek at least try to make the effort ya lazy fucks. AnYhOo this all came about during a science fiction film marathon that lasted like two days and was started by a dvd called outland with sean connery, cant believe I had never even heard of this film, ya really do learn something new every day, anyway the wife and sons acting was really shit, oh my god it was shit, DADDY ? hes like thirteen, but they get gone pretty quick and its all good from there, yes it had major flaws, MAJOR FLAWS but connery and the sets made up for it, I want her kitchen and that breakfast bench. AnYhOo after that science fiction marathon and a nap I thought i would educate myself about outer space, you know cuz I realised I knew very little about our solar system and would you believe it, it turns out to be very interesting, now I blame the nasa guys, they are so boring, the moment they start to talk about probes and satalites people fall asleep, they need adverts or some shit, anyway back to the interesting, trippy alien worlds VENUS, oh my god it would be so cool to go to venus, 900 degrees in the shade cuz its all in the shade cuz its covered in a thick cloud it has volcanoes and rains sulfuric acid and the atmosphere is so thick and dense they say you could swim or fly through it, er flip flops and strap on wings, anyone up for hang gliding ? Then you have cryo volcanoes thats a trippy reverse right ? I want more reality and science in my science fiction CUZ reality really is stranger than fiction, fuck star trek and their stupid away missions to planets with perfect gravity and atmospheres, STUPID, DUMB, RETARDED. [link to www.youtube.com] I understand that writting science fiction is hard work but I could do miles better if I dont say so myself, Ha hA. Have you ever published ? I doubt it and besides everyone knows most good writers cant spell, education is no substitute for talent and imagination, now I never said I was more talented but I have a better imagination, and who would want to write a book anyway ? obsolete backwards form of entertainment and information recording, so who gives a fuck about spelling ? oh right you guys do, and paragraphs and punctuation marks, BOLLOCKS |
Halcyon Dayz
User ID: 337024 Netherlands 12/18/2007 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever published? I doubt it, and besides everyone knows most good writers can't spell, education is no substitute for talent and imagination. Quoting: shameless agitating fuck 340297Now I never said I was more talented, but I have a better imagination. And who would want to write a book anyway? Obsolete backwards form of entertainment and information recording, so who gives a fuck about spelling? Oh right you guys do, and paragraphs and punctuation marks, BOLLOCKS If it's unreadable who would bother reading it. It is a clear sign the writer doesn't respect his audience. You want your writing to to be read, don't you? Yeah, I know. 90% of everything is crap. But how can I tell if I can't read it. And the book is not dead yet. Writing as you speak doesn't make for good reading. Written text is a different medium. And having a good story to tell is not enough, you have to be a good story-teller. That requires skill, as well as talent. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |