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Derek Chauvin Trial - VERDICT IS IN - Guilty On All Three Counts

 
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Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
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The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


ya me too, there was no reason to stay on him once he stopped talking and moving... what a dumb ass. He should get manslaughter for that, especially when a crowd was yelling that he isnt moving. He just looked at them and stayed there. BTW, I dont think what he did killed him, but man...
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Then he should NOT get manslaughter... Right?

Why should he get convicted of a crime he did not commit?

By your comment and reasoning what could you possibly charge him with? Abuse of a corpse?
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I guess you are right, but that has to be the most they would object to
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I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Well, it actually makes sense. Once in custody they were responsible for his well being- to whatever extent they were able to be. They should have assessed his condition at a certain point at least, and then what do to before the ambulance came I'm not sure. I was thinking along the lines of something like negligence of a prisoner in custody or failure to render aid.
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I could be onboard with that. Make sure he is not able to be a cop again. But he's no murderer.
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maybe I missed it -- but -- was it ever discussed during the trial about Chauvin and Floyd working together at the night club ?

Supposedly they had some problems and didn't get along

hard to believe an issue wasn't made of it (or I didn't see it)
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I belive that was media miss information and redacted
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The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


ya me too, there was no reason to stay on him once he stopped talking and moving... what a dumb ass. He should get manslaughter for that, especially when a crowd was yelling that he isnt moving. He just looked at them and stayed there. BTW, I dont think what he did killed him, but man...
 Quoting: Man Bear Pig


Then he should NOT get manslaughter... Right?

Why should he get convicted of a crime he did not commit?

By your comment and reasoning what could you possibly charge him with? Abuse of a corpse?
 Quoting: Debug

I guess you are right, but that has to be the most they would object to
 Quoting: Man Bear Pig


It's a tough case with HUGE implications... Wouldn't want to be on that jury at all!

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The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


ya me too, there was no reason to stay on him once he stopped talking and moving... what a dumb ass. He should get manslaughter for that, especially when a crowd was yelling that he isnt moving. He just looked at them and stayed there. BTW, I dont think what he did killed him, but man...
 Quoting: Man Bear Pig


I agree. Tend to believe what Dr. Apartheid said... with all the exertion, cardiac issues, adrenaline, and stimulants, there was not enough blood flow and the heart's pacemaker shit out.

Thing is if he had received immediate resuscitation attempts there would have been a much better chance of restarting his heart, we'll never know if this would have worked because it wasn't tried. That's where the liability is.
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abundantly clear at this point, perhaps contemplating the social/woke impact of the collective.

Still, there may be one hold out I feel, one voice that won't compromise the truth just for the sake of "peace and safety, or a book deal"

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I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


ya me too, there was no reason to stay on him once he stopped talking and moving... what a dumb ass. He should get manslaughter for that, especially when a crowd was yelling that he isnt moving. He just looked at them and stayed there. BTW, I dont think what he did killed him, but man...
 Quoting: Man Bear Pig


I disagree. If Floyd was dead then the charges would have to be abusing a corpse, or not rendering aid. But the charges are that Chauvin’s actions killed him.

I agree that it is possible Chauvin should have rendered aid. But is not rendering aid a crime in this case? What if he was worried about the crowd? What if he thought rendering aid was best done by EMS, which he expected to already be there? The EMS didn’t think it was safe to render aid in those circumstances. So why should the cops?

The not rendering aid aspect doesn’t feel right to me instinctively. But I can see how the way things happened might have been justified. Looking back in hindsight makes it easy to criticize. I found watching one of the officers who was in Floyd’s back entire body cam footage made the actions seem less problematic in context.
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Just thought of something, what if they deliberate 9 hours and 29 minutes to prove a point? Just tossing it out here,
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I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Yeah, not calling EMS when someone you have in handcuffs is unconscious is unreasonable.

There aren't really any good guys in this whole caper. As such, I'm indifferent to the outcome.

Other than the country burning down.
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BBQ Boy: First of all, thank you sincerely for your comprehensive coverage of this trial. Secondly, feel free to delete this post-- I'm not trying to derail this thread on arguably one of the most important days of the trial.

I just wanted to add that Officer Chauvin might be going to prison regardless of the verdict for other pending charges...

Thread: Derek Chauvin Charged with Nine Counts of Felony Tax Fraud

Just a heads up

:/

Thanks again for your hard work, sir. It is very much appreciated.

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BBQ Boy: First of all, thank you sincerely for your comprehensive coverage of this trial. Secondly, feel free to delete this post-- I'm not trying to derail this thread on arguably one of the most important days of the trial.

I just wanted to add that Officer Chauvin might be going to prison regardless of the verdict for other pending charges...

Thread: Derek Chauvin Charged with Nine Counts of Felony Tax Fraud

Just a heads up

:/

Thanks again for your hard work, sir. It is very much appreciated.

:salute
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Just thought of something, what if they deliberate 9 hours and 29 minutes to prove a point? Just tossing it out here,
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Does the state buy them meals during deliberations? Gotta think if they go past lunch, at the very least they will go until dinner.
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Just thought of something, what if they deliberate 9 hours and 29 minutes to prove a point? Just tossing it out here,
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Does the state buy them meals during deliberations? Gotta think if they go past lunch, at the very least they will go until dinner.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


I think they do, actually. (Provide food/lodging)

At the taxpayers' expense, of course
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Yeah, not calling EMS when someone you have in handcuffs is unconscious is unreasonable.

There aren't really any good guys in this whole caper. As such, I'm indifferent to the outcome.

Other than the country burning down.
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They had EMS already on the way, well before he was unconscious.
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Just thought of something, what if they deliberate 9 hours and 29 minutes to prove a point? Just tossing it out here,
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Does the state buy them meals during deliberations? Gotta think if they go past lunch, at the very least they will go until dinner.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Yes I think they get meals catered to them.
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I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Yeah, not calling EMS when someone you have in handcuffs is unconscious is unreasonable.

There aren't really any good guys in this whole caper. As such, I'm indifferent to the outcome.

Other than the country burning down.
 Quoting: Interferon


EMS was called long before he went unconscious. As matter of fact EMS was called in due to a mouth injury before they even placed him on the ground.
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Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Yeah, not calling EMS when someone you have in handcuffs is unconscious is unreasonable.

There aren't really any good guys in this whole caper. As such, I'm indifferent to the outcome.

Other than the country burning down.
 Quoting: Interferon


EMS was called long before he went unconscious. As matter of fact EMS was called in due to a mouth injury before they even placed him on the ground. Dispatch was contacted again to upgrade it to a high level once he was placed on the ground.
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BBQ Boy: First of all, thank you sincerely for your comprehensive coverage of this trial. Secondly, feel free to delete this post-- I'm not trying to derail this thread on arguably one of the most important days of the trial.

I just wanted to add that Officer Chauvin might be going to prison regardless of the verdict for other pending charges...

Thread: Derek Chauvin Charged with Nine Counts of Felony Tax Fraud

Just a heads up

:/

Thanks again for your hard work, sir. It is very much appreciated.

:salute
 Quoting: Wharf Rat


I saw that. At first I thought this was just the government going after him. But maybe it comes from his divorce proceedings? The wife wanted a divorce so taxes come into play. There is a question of why go after him on taxes now.

Why did this dummy not file taxes when he has a job where they report his income to the government?

Attorney Robert Barnes pointed out the failure to file may indicate this was a corrupt cop.

I think Chauvin isn’t a great guy and shouldn’t be a cop. But the charges against him are still bogus.
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Just thought of something, what if they deliberate 9 hours and 29 minutes to prove a point? Just tossing it out here,
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It will be at least a couple days. They have to go over everything point by point.
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This jury also needs to take precautions for their families after the trial. And the rest of their kids lives.

Very sad situation.
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Still no questions for the Judge?
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That's because it's crystal clear that he's innocent,
and crystal clear that he's guilty.

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I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Yeah, not calling EMS when someone you have in handcuffs is unconscious is unreasonable.

There aren't really any good guys in this whole caper. As such, I'm indifferent to the outcome.

Other than the country burning down.
 Quoting: Interferon


Hadn't that already been done and that's what they were waiting on? I agree that there are really no sympathetic characters here. I just like to follow trials, true crime, the bizarreness of people's thought processes and the unreal sociology of our time.
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Yeah, not calling EMS when someone you have in handcuffs is unconscious is unreasonable.

There aren't really any good guys in this whole caper. As such, I'm indifferent to the outcome.

Other than the country burning down.
 Quoting: Interferon


They had EMS already on the way, well before he was unconscious.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


In that case, he'll probably get acquitted.
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Yeah, not calling EMS when someone you have in handcuffs is unconscious is unreasonable.

There aren't really any good guys in this whole caper. As such, I'm indifferent to the outcome.

Other than the country burning down.
 Quoting: Interferon


They had EMS already on the way, well before he was unconscious.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Yes-- dispatched twice. One thing I didnt see much mention is that this was May 2020. I'm not sure how much Covid protocols fall into dealing with this situation. Either way, I always found it odd there wasnt much concern why he was so quiet after 10 minutes of physical struggle. I mean 3 people battled this guy, and then not a peep. Whether thats a contributor to a crime in itself is another discussion...

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Just thought of something, what if they deliberate 9 hours and 29 minutes to prove a point? Just tossing it out here,
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Never thought about it but wow would that be something!

BBQ you looking to become a writer for the ID channel or something?
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Just thought of something, what if they deliberate 9 hours and 29 minutes to prove a point? Just tossing it out here,
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Yeah, not calling EMS when someone you have in handcuffs is unconscious is unreasonable.

There aren't really any good guys in this whole caper. As such, I'm indifferent to the outcome.

Other than the country burning down.
 Quoting: Interferon


They had EMS already on the way, well before he was unconscious.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


But, with a Manslaughter Conviction, he'll be out in a week.

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Yeah, not calling EMS when someone you have in handcuffs is unconscious is unreasonable.

There aren't really any good guys in this whole caper. As such, I'm indifferent to the outcome.

Other than the country burning down.
 Quoting: Interferon


They had EMS already on the way, well before he was unconscious.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Yes-- dispatched twice. One thing I didnt see much mention is that this was May 2020. I'm not sure how much Covid protocols fall into dealing with this situation. Either way, I always found it odd there wasnt much concern why he was so quiet after 10 minutes of physical struggle. I mean 3 people battled this guy, and then not a peep. Whether thats a contributor to a crime in itself is another discussion...
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Right. Those protocols weren't even discussed at the trial, were they? All that was concentrated on was the knee and perhaps the position he was kept in- but no one talked about what measures would have been appropriate if Floyd had been assessed at that point and found to be not breathing.
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