Out of control 21-TON Chinese rocket is falling to Earth and nobody knows where it could land | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80312204 United States 05/04/2021 02:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So isn't there a ton of stuff up there like this? I mean if space is real, then you can bet ALL the most powerful ppl on earth would be sending stuff up there all the damn time, accumulating data, doing experiments etc...with a ton of space junk left behind falling down... but na...we don't see this, do we? They only bring this sht up in the MSM when they know a big sign in the sky is coming n don't want ppl looking into it... |
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Senior Forum Moderator 05/04/2021 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is why I never believe those posters who claim collisions with asteroids or other space objects and lay a claim to exactly where and when it will hit. Experts can never even figure out where satellites (in this case a rocket) will hit when it's falling out of orbit just above the Earth's surface. Quoting: GA Girl It's a complex subject few here understand. A decaying satellite is being gradually dragged down by earth's atmosphere, but the exact density of the tenuous upper atmosphere will vary with solar activity and the amount of drag will vary with the attitude shape and density of the satellite. There are a lot of variables there, some of which change over time and are hard to accurately predict. This means the exact decay time is unknown. Right now, this site predicts a decay occurring one week from now, but with an uncertainty of 41 hours. That uncertainty will decrease as we get closer to the decay, but even within the last day there could still be one orbit or more of uncertainty. [link to aerospace.org (secure)] With asteroid collisions, there is generally a region of uncertainty that may intersect with the earth and make it hard to predict an exact location, but if the impact does not occur within a fairly tight window of time then it will not occur at all as earth will not be at the intersection point when the asteroid crosses earth's orbit around the sun. Thanks Astronaut! Can you tell us who you really are or how you got to be so smart about these things? I've always had a fascination with orbital mechanics and orbit determination. I picked up the basics in college and just stuck with it. I spent a lot of time in various university libraries reading books about orbit determination and then applied it myself with my own observational data. Last Edited by Astromut on 05/04/2021 07:45 AM |
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Senior Forum Moderator 05/04/2021 07:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut It's a complex subject few here understand. A decaying satellite is being gradually dragged down by earth's atmosphere, but the exact density of the tenuous upper atmosphere will vary with solar activity and the amount of drag will vary with the attitude shape and density of the satellite. There are a lot of variables there, some of which change over time and are hard to accurately predict. This means the exact decay time is unknown. Right now, this site predicts a decay occurring one week from now, but with an uncertainty of 41 hours. That uncertainty will decrease as we get closer to the decay, but even within the last day there could still be one orbit or more of uncertainty. [link to aerospace.org (secure)] With asteroid collisions, there is generally a region of uncertainty that may intersect with the earth and make it hard to predict an exact location, but if the impact does not occur within a fairly tight window of time then it will not occur at all as earth will not be at the intersection point when the asteroid crosses earth's orbit around the sun. That was a whole truckload of words that tried to sound smart but in fact all you did was confirm his point that they don't have a clue. Hey AC, you were able in only a few words to confirm you don't have a clue. As always, your insights are appreciated Astro. They both said the same damn thing but at least 96 said it with brief eloquence. The resident space shill composed a master thesis in excusive word vomit! No. We did not say the same thing. I explained in detail why there's a difference between determining where and when an asteroid will hit vs determining where and when an uncontrolled satellite will fall. |
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Senior Forum Moderator 05/04/2021 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isn't this like the 3rd or 4th headline like this since 2012? I'm not saying there isn't something coming, OP, just that I am pretty certain GLP has covered this topic on several occasions over the years. And here we are again. Fool me once... Quoting: **Watcher** At what point do we realize the "chinese satellite/ rocket/ space debris" BS is really the mainstream bracing for some incoming doom that when it arrives, they want us all saying to ourselves "oh, that enormous fireball that just hit NYC? That's just the Chinese space junk they warned us about. Nothing to see here". They drop their spent rocket stages on their own villages all the time, complete with residual toxic fuel, you think it's BS that they don't give a shit if they accidentally drop rocket debris on a foreign country? Most likely it will hit water, but that's not a guarantee. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78641122 United States 05/06/2021 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Realistically how much warning would the public receive if they confirmed it was hitting a populated area? I assume the powers at be would be sitting around with their thumb up their ass waiting on official orders while the Engineers actually calculating the trajectory would be texting their wives/husbands/friends etc... and it would leak unofficially... Right? |
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User ID: 75119554 United States 05/06/2021 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Realistically how much warning would the public receive if they confirmed it was hitting a populated area? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78641122 I assume the powers at be would be sitting around with their thumb up their ass waiting on official orders while the Engineers actually calculating the trajectory would be texting their wives/husbands/friends etc... and it would leak unofficially... Right? Your assumption is totally correct. Education is a decision, Not something that can be drilled into a brain. UHFTX Ultra High Frequency Transmission. Mega WATTS of RF Energy. A VETERAN of the Cold WAR. Patriotic, Pride, Integrity, and Guts. |
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User ID: 77347043 Poland 05/06/2021 05:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Realistically how much warning would the public receive if they confirmed it was hitting a populated area? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78641122 I assume the powers at be would be sitting around with their thumb up their ass waiting on official orders while the Engineers actually calculating the trajectory would be texting their wives/husbands/friends etc... and it would leak unofficially... Right? Your assumption is totally correct. Back in the day... I knew someone in the sciences who was visiting a weather mod lab and had sought a favor from them to decimate a problematic building a few blocks from us. They called me several hours before a very rare multi-tornado cluster hit my section of our northern town. And they told me to get in the basement. Was anyone else warned? Only by the weather service as the things were hitting. That's reality for ya. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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User ID: 78911081 Canada 05/06/2021 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MAY 8TH IS WHAT IM HEARING! IT WAS IN A ZEROHEDGE ARTICLE LAST NIGHT! Quoting: muckuh PLACE YER BETS ON THE DAY AND THE LOCATION. It will land on the caldron of Yellowstone causing a massive fissure that will set off the mother of all volcanic erruptions covering the Earth in darkness killing billions of unborn unvaccinated babies that were the hope for humanities grim and sickly future. The end! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75532607 United States 05/06/2021 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An out-of-control 21-ton Chinese rocket is falling to earth and could land on populated areas, experts warn. China’s Long March 5b rocket that launched Thursday is predicted to crash back to Earth within the next few days. Quoting: Tess. Jonathan McDowell, an astronomer who tracks objects orbiting Earth, told SpaceNews that it's path takes it ‘a little farther north than New York, Madrid and Beijing and as far south as southern Chile and Wellington, New Zealand'. Satellite trackers have detected the 100-foot-long rocket travelling at more than four miles per second [link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)] Going to your link and scrplling down to the predicted path of re-entry has it zeroing in on Washington, D.C. on 4 of the predicted paths. If China can control when the ground strike happens it could take out the white house. :yup: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79961010 United States 05/07/2021 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MAY 8TH IS WHAT IM HEARING! IT WAS IN A ZEROHEDGE ARTICLE LAST NIGHT! Quoting: muckuh PLACE YER BETS ON THE DAY AND THE LOCATION. Pentagon Chief Says 'No Plan' To Shoot Down Falling Chinese Rocket While Blasting 'Negligence' Quoting: zerohedge.comBY TYLER DURDEN FRIDAY, MAY 07, 2021 - 12:30 PM [link to www.zerohedge.com (secure)] US Space Command said that it too is carefully tracking the rocket's location during the uncontrolled reentry, but stressed that it "cannot be pinpointed until within hours of its reentry," currently projected to happen likely on Saturday, May 8. Big Chinese rocket segment set to fall to Earth Quoting: bbc.comBy Jonathan Amos BBC Science Correspondent Published4 hours ago [link to www.bbc.com (secure)] Various space debris modelling experts are pointing to late Saturday or early Sunday (GMT) as the likely moment of re-entry. However, such projections are always highly uncertain. |