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Out of control 21-TON Chinese rocket is falling to Earth and nobody knows where it could land

 
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East coast NZ
Was visable to the eye
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Lots of other bits entering to
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So isn't there a ton of stuff up there like this? I mean if space is real, then you can bet ALL the most powerful ppl on earth would be sending stuff up there all the damn time, accumulating data, doing experiments etc...with a ton of space junk left behind falling down... but na...we don't see this, do we? They only bring this sht up in the MSM when they know a big sign in the sky is coming n don't want ppl looking into it...
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Hoping it lands on my head
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Fuck off shill.
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let it fall upon those that deserve it..

amen
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jeez enough with the nothing burgers

shit falls all the time and bigger than that
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This is why I never believe those posters who claim collisions with asteroids or other space objects and lay a claim to exactly where and when it will hit. Experts can never even figure out where satellites (in this case a rocket) will hit when it's falling out of orbit just above the Earth's surface.
 Quoting: GA Girl


It's a complex subject few here understand. A decaying satellite is being gradually dragged down by earth's atmosphere, but the exact density of the tenuous upper atmosphere will vary with solar activity and the amount of drag will vary with the attitude shape and density of the satellite. There are a lot of variables there, some of which change over time and are hard to accurately predict. This means the exact decay time is unknown. Right now, this site predicts a decay occurring one week from now, but with an uncertainty of 41 hours. That uncertainty will decrease as we get closer to the decay, but even within the last day there could still be one orbit or more of uncertainty.
[link to aerospace.org (secure)]

With asteroid collisions, there is generally a region of uncertainty that may intersect with the earth and make it hard to predict an exact location, but if the impact does not occur within a fairly tight window of time then it will not occur at all as earth will not be at the intersection point when the asteroid crosses earth's orbit around the sun.
 Quoting: Astromut


Thanks Astronaut! Can you tell us who you really are or how you got to be so smart about these things?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80284868


I've always had a fascination with orbital mechanics and orbit determination. I picked up the basics in college and just stuck with it. I spent a lot of time in various university libraries reading books about orbit determination and then applied it myself with my own observational data.

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It's a complex subject few here understand. A decaying satellite is being gradually dragged down by earth's atmosphere, but the exact density of the tenuous upper atmosphere will vary with solar activity and the amount of drag will vary with the attitude shape and density of the satellite. There are a lot of variables there, some of which change over time and are hard to accurately predict. This means the exact decay time is unknown. Right now, this site predicts a decay occurring one week from now, but with an uncertainty of 41 hours. That uncertainty will decrease as we get closer to the decay, but even within the last day there could still be one orbit or more of uncertainty.
[link to aerospace.org (secure)]

With asteroid collisions, there is generally a region of uncertainty that may intersect with the earth and make it hard to predict an exact location, but if the impact does not occur within a fairly tight window of time then it will not occur at all as earth will not be at the intersection point when the asteroid crosses earth's orbit around the sun.
 Quoting: Astromut


That was a whole truckload of words that tried to sound smart but in fact all you did was confirm his point that they don't have a clue.

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79466996


Hey AC, you were able in only a few words to confirm you don't have a clue. As always, your insights are appreciated Astro.
 Quoting: Coming Soon


They both said the same damn thing but at least 96 said it with brief eloquence. The resident space shill composed a master thesis in excusive word vomit!

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79514396


No. We did not say the same thing. I explained in detail why there's a difference between determining where and when an asteroid will hit vs determining where and when an uncontrolled satellite will fall.
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Will the linked tracker confirm when it's re-entered/broken up?
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N2YO? No. It will continue showing it in the position predicted by the last orbital elements until they remove it.
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Isn't this like the 3rd or 4th headline like this since 2012? I'm not saying there isn't something coming, OP, just that I am pretty certain GLP has covered this topic on several occasions over the years. And here we are again. Fool me once...

At what point do we realize the "chinese satellite/ rocket/ space debris" BS is really the mainstream bracing for some incoming doom that when it arrives, they want us all saying to ourselves "oh, that enormous fireball that just hit NYC? That's just the Chinese space junk they warned us about. Nothing to see here".

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 Quoting: **Watcher**


They drop their spent rocket stages on their own villages all the time, complete with residual toxic fuel, you think it's BS that they don't give a shit if they accidentally drop rocket debris on a foreign country?







Most likely it will hit water, but that's not a guarantee.
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How many times is this thing going to crash already?
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Probably will fall on The Nobody's house.
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"You will hear of a
dwelling-place in the heavens,
above the earth, that shall fall
with a great crash. It will
appear as a blue star.
Very soon after this, the ceremonies
of my people will cease"


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05/05/2021 11:21 AM
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Has this thing crashed yet?
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Has this thing crashed yet?
 Quoting: YouAreDreaming


They're thinking Saturday.

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Has this thing crashed yet?
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They're thinking Saturday.

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 Quoting: Sun Dog


Thanks Sun Dog!
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Realistically how much warning would the public receive if they confirmed it was hitting a populated area?

I assume the powers at be would be sitting around with their thumb up their ass waiting on official orders while the Engineers actually calculating the trajectory would be texting their wives/husbands/friends etc... and it would leak unofficially... Right?
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MAY 8TH IS WHAT IM HEARING! IT WAS IN A ZEROHEDGE ARTICLE LAST NIGHT!

PLACE YER BETS ON THE DAY AND THE LOCATION.
muckuh
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bump
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Realistically how much warning would the public receive if they confirmed it was hitting a populated area?

I assume the powers at be would be sitting around with their thumb up their ass waiting on official orders while the Engineers actually calculating the trajectory would be texting their wives/husbands/friends etc... and it would leak unofficially... Right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78641122


Your assumption is totally correct.
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Realistically how much warning would the public receive if they confirmed it was hitting a populated area?

I assume the powers at be would be sitting around with their thumb up their ass waiting on official orders while the Engineers actually calculating the trajectory would be texting their wives/husbands/friends etc... and it would leak unofficially... Right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78641122


Your assumption is totally correct.
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Back in the day...

I knew someone in the sciences who was visiting a weather mod lab and had sought a favor from them to decimate a problematic building a few blocks from us.

They called me several hours before a very rare multi-tornado cluster hit my section of our northern town.

And they told me to get in the basement.

Was anyone else warned? Only by the weather service as the things were hitting.

That's reality for ya.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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let it fall upon those that deserve it..

amen
 Quoting: Grove Street


Three Gorgeous Dames, Wahoo Lab, the 34 buildings in tunnels that spoke out from under that lab, where the most nefarious, hideous crimes are conducted... would do nicely.
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so what Agenda 21 re-wild zone will get obliterated

..and whoops

..blamed on lost-control-of "falling rocket"

cui bono
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MAY 8TH IS WHAT IM HEARING! IT WAS IN A ZEROHEDGE ARTICLE LAST NIGHT!

PLACE YER BETS ON THE DAY AND THE LOCATION.
 Quoting: muckuh


It will land on the caldron of Yellowstone causing a massive fissure that will set off the mother of all volcanic erruptions covering the Earth in darkness killing billions of unborn unvaccinated babies that were the hope for humanities grim and sickly future. The end!
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An out-of-control 21-ton Chinese rocket is falling to earth and could land on populated areas, experts warn. China’s Long March 5b rocket that launched Thursday is predicted to crash back to Earth within the next few days.

Jonathan McDowell, an astronomer who tracks objects orbiting Earth, told SpaceNews that it's path takes it ‘a little farther north than New York, Madrid and Beijing and as far south as southern Chile and Wellington, New Zealand'.

Satellite trackers have detected the 100-foot-long rocket travelling at more than four miles per second

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 Quoting: Tess.


Going to your link and scrplling down to the predicted path of re-entry has it zeroing in on Washington, D.C. on 4 of the predicted paths.

If China can control when the ground strike happens it could take out the white house.

:yup:
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let it fall upon those that deserve it..

amen
 Quoting: Grove Street


Three Gorgeous Dames, Wahoo Lab, the 34 buildings in tunnels that spoke out from under that lab, where the most nefarious, hideous crimes are conducted... would do nicely.
 Quoting: TXGLP2


Fuck you mangy biatch. It went up your six
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Please Hit Seattle
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MAY 8TH IS WHAT IM HEARING! IT WAS IN A ZEROHEDGE ARTICLE LAST NIGHT!

PLACE YER BETS ON THE DAY AND THE LOCATION.
 Quoting: muckuh


hesright

Pentagon Chief Says 'No Plan' To Shoot Down Falling Chinese Rocket While Blasting 'Negligence'
BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, MAY 07, 2021 - 12:30 PM
[link to www.zerohedge.com (secure)]


US Space Command said that it too is carefully tracking the rocket's location during the uncontrolled reentry, but stressed that it "cannot be pinpointed until within hours of its reentry," currently projected to happen likely on Saturday, May 8.



 Quoting: zerohedge.com


Big Chinese rocket segment set to fall to Earth
By Jonathan Amos
BBC Science Correspondent
Published4 hours ago
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Various space debris modelling experts are pointing to late Saturday or early Sunday (GMT) as the likely moment of re-entry. However, such projections are always highly uncertain.

 Quoting: bbc.com





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