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Enoch and Elijah Will Return in Public, Supernatural Fashion; their arrival is imminent and their first stop is the Temple Mount

 
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Kamala Harris/jezzebel has to become president before Elijah shows up



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Ms Harris is VERY presidential. And she smells like dead fish. Perfect. Let's do it up.
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You're just another batshit crazy false prophet, and this is why I said not to wait for me.

Too egoist and slow to accept the truth that America is Babylon The Great, let alone acknowledge Ephraim is Russia.

And Hillary 'Herodias' Clinton the whore of Babylon is also Jezebel, and Kamala is another soulless beast of the earth J**.

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Thank you OP
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Yes, thank you OP
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All the Deep State chatter regarding "aliens" is just misinformation meant to distract from the fact that Enoch and Elijah's return is imminent and they will be returning in the same fashion as they departed: from the sky on chariots of fire.

The Church Fathers and Sacred Scripture shed light on the identity of the Two Witnesses and the reality of their return:

"And I will give unto my two witnesses: and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire shall come out of their mouths and shall devour their enemies. And if any man will hurt them, in this manner must he be slain. These have power to shut Heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and they have power over waters, to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the abyss shall make war against them and shall overcome them and kill them. And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt: where their Lord also was crucified. And they of the tr.bes and peoples and tongues and nations shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. And they who dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them and make merry: and shall send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented them who dwelt upon the earth. And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon them who saw them. And they heard a great voice from Heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up into Heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them. And at that hour there was made a great earthquake: and the tenth part of the city fell. And there were slain in the earthquake, names of men, seven thousand: and the rest were cast into fear and gave glory to the God of Heaven." - Apocalypse 11: 3-13

Before speaking about the task that will be entrusted to them by God, we must first examine what happened to Enoch and Elijah when they were here among us. Is there any evidence that these men are still alive? Our first clue comes from Sacred Scripture. In the Book of Genesis, a genealogy is given in Chapter 5 that extends from Adam to Noah. In verses 23-24 we are told the following:

"And all the years of Enoch were three hundred and sixty five years. And he walked with God and was seen no more: because God took him." Genesis 5:23-24

What is most significant about this passage are the words, "God took him." Throughout the Genesis genealogy, the summary of the life of each of the other Patriarchs concludes with the phrase, "and he died". For Enoch, however, the writer seems to indicate that something different happened.

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus, we are given a second tantalizing piece of information. In Chapter 44, verse 16 we read:

"Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he may give repentance to the nations."

We are told for the first time in this verse that Enoch is to be given a special mission, but is he to carry out this mission from Heaven or is the paradise spoken of a terrestrial one? St. Paul gives us some solid information in the Book of Hebrews when he states clearly that Enoch has not died:

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death: and he was not found because God had translated him. For before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11: 5)

The fact that Enoch has not yet died will be important in determining where he is. But before we do so, we should consider the disposition of our second Witness - the Prophet of Carmel, Elijah the Thesbite. In the Fourth Book of Kings Elijah and his disciple Elisha are walking along the Jordan River. The author of the book then says:

"And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into Heaven." (4 Kings 2: 11)

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus we are given more details:

"Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob." (Ecclesiasticus 48: 9-10)

Apart from St. John's account in the Apocalypse, there are four other very important Biblical passages concerning the task of the Two Witnesses:

1. Ecclesiasticus 44:16: "Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he might give repentance to the nations."

2. Ecclesiasticus 48:9-10: "Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob."

3. Malachi 4:5-6: Behold I will send you Elijah the Prophet, before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to to the fathers; lest I come, and strike the earth with anathema."

4. St. Matthew 17:10-12: "And His disciples asked Him, saying: Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first? But Jesus answering, said to them: 'Elijah indeed shall come and restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah is already come: and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they had a mind. So also the Son of Man shall suffer from them.'"

At this point we have a bit of a mystery. We have been told by the authors of Sacred Scripture that Enoch was "translated into paradise" and that Elijah was "taken up by a whirlwind into Heaven". However, St. Paul declares that Enoch is not dead and no mention is made of Elijah's death either. So where are they and for what purpose are they being preserved?

Enoch and Elijah have not died because death is necessary to enter into Heaven because of Original Sin - the two Old Testament figures cannot be in Heaven. To determine where Enoch and Elijah are, we must now turn to the Fathers and Doctors of the Church who seem to be in agreement that these men are in an earthly paradise prepared for them by God and will return for a very specific mission during the End Times:

"Ejijah was raised into the aerial, not the empyrean heaven, which is the abode of the Saints, and in like manner Enoch was carried away to a terrestrial paradise, where he and Elijah, it is believed, will live together until the coming of the Antichrist." - St. Thomas of Aquinas

"And when the Son of Perdition has drawn to his purpose the whole world, Enoch and Elijah shall be sent that they might confute the Evil One." - St. Ephraem

"It is a familiar theme in the conversation and heart of the faithful, that in the last days before the Judgment the J.ws shall believe in the true Christ, that is, our Christ, by means of this great and admirable prophet Elijah, who shall expound the Law to them. For not without reason do we hope that before the coming of our Judge and Saviour, Elijah shall come, because we have good reason to believe that he is now alive. For, as Scripture most distinctly informs us, he was taken up from this life in a chariot of fire. When, therefore, he is come, he will give a spiritual explanation of the Law which the J.ws at present understand carnally, and shall thus, 'turn the heart of the father to the son', that is, the heart of the fathers to the children. And the meaning is that the sons, that is, the J.ws, shall understand the Law as the fathers, that is, the prophets, and among them Moses himself, understood it...that the J.ws also, who had previously hated, should then love the Son who is our Christ." - St. Augustine

"The third demonstration arises from the coming of Enoch and Elijah, who live even now and shall live until they come to oppose Antichrist himself, and to preserve the elect in the faith of Christ, and in the end shall convert the J.ws, and it is certain that this has not yet been fulfilled." - St. Robert Bellarmine
 Quoting: Et Sano

Excellent job OP.
 Quoting: 1LittlemanRp


Yep - Excellent - thanks for that op!

where then do you feel op - has Enoch & Elijah been all these years? On earth? another planet?
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What's the significance of 1,260 days. That's 3.45 years, close enough to 3 and a half. First half of the Tribulation?
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360 day J*ish calendar.
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Enoch and Elijah have not died because death is necessary to enter into Heaven because of Original Sin - the two Old Testament figures cannot be in Heaven.
 Quoting: Et Sano

You are incorrect...

1 Thessalonians 4:17
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."


Death is NOT necessary to enter into Heaven.

If you believe that the Rapture described in the above verse will not happen to you, then may you get your wish.

:failboat3:
 Quoting: Base12


More conjecutre.


That verse in no way shape or form says that man shall be lifted into heaven and shall be with God in heaven for eternity.


It says man shall be lifted into the CLOUDS during the time which the sky rolls back open like a scroll and Christ descends to the earth and man shall meet him and be with him forever.


In the case of ALL scripture, the word forever means for a long time. The phrase FOREVER AND EVER means eternity.

See here the people will reside with Christ during his 1000 year long reign on earth and then Satan will be release so he can rampage 1000 more years after that before God destroys the earth with fire.

What you are saying is conjecture and a lie.
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Even being a Christian, I've always scratched my head at why God doesn't just POOF! make Satan disappear forever. Seems a lot of pain and heartache would be spared. And don't give me any of this churchy "Because God needs to separate the light from the dark" guff - admit it, it would all have been much easier if God had just destroyed Satan and his rebellious hordes in one POOF! and then turned to his human creations & began the long process of bringing us back to grace - a kind of re-education camp
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The answer is because he doesn't want to.
Yahweh created Satan to do exactly what he is doing. Satan has never had a choice in the matter in the same way that man has never had a choice in the matter.

This doesn't make Satan or the other angels any less evil than it makes any pencil any less of a pencil. And God set up the consequences for evil and he refuses to relent. It is his right as the creator of good and evil to do as he pleases with it.

God created good and evil. And the reason he created all things is for his own sake, his own glory. The only being in existence to ever deserve such attention, the only one able to create, the only wise King, the only one who knows all because he created all.


And so we can see that God gave his creations, with a certain brain capacity, the ability to perceive. Perception is 100% reliant on comparisons. Without comparisons there is no perception at all.

So then consider the answer to your head scratcher solved. By creating Satan and the other evil angels to rebel, he caused billions if not trillions of comparisons to be formed. By creating the universe he enabled his creations to maintain life and the ability to perceive. By creating man in his own image he caused millions more comparisons to be made and the ability for man to perceive, in part, Him vs. everything else.


And on and on and on and on.
And so by experiencing life God's chosen are able to, after many comparisons through experience, bible study, visitations, miracles, changes of heart, current events, perceive God in part and behave like him. This behavior is perceived not only by man, but by angels, and by God himself and it is the glory he desires. There is much more intricate explanation to this^, but I lack the time and space to type it out.


Now go ask him why he desires glory. That is the real question in my opinion. Seeing as he is willing to allow both Angels and man to have eternal life experiencing all he creates and only causes chosen man to suffer for a VERY short amount of time and THEN causes them to forget all of this vanity of vanities..... Why does he want glory at all?


I have answered your question, but I have never gotten a response from Him on mine.... I never asked. Most likely it has to do with Love as love is self-sacrifice and God says he loves his chosen and is willing to sacrifice for them. Not that anything he ever does could make him tired, weary, or deplete of power, but rather that he can cause himself to be shackled in such a way that he is able to suffer for us.
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All the Deep State chatter regarding "aliens" is just misinformation meant to distract from the fact that Enoch and Elijah's return is imminent and they will be returning in the same fashion as they departed: from the sky on chariots of fire.

The Church Fathers and Sacred Scripture shed light on the identity of the Two Witnesses and the reality of their return:

"And I will give unto my two witnesses: and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire shall come out of their mouths and shall devour their enemies. And if any man will hurt them, in this manner must he be slain. These have power to shut Heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and they have power over waters, to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the abyss shall make war against them and shall overcome them and kill them. And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt: where their Lord also was crucified. And they of the tr.bes and peoples and tongues and nations shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. And they who dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them and make merry: and shall send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented them who dwelt upon the earth. And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon them who saw them. And they heard a great voice from Heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up into Heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them. And at that hour there was made a great earthquake: and the tenth part of the city fell. And there were slain in the earthquake, names of men, seven thousand: and the rest were cast into fear and gave glory to the God of Heaven." - Apocalypse 11: 3-13

Before speaking about the task that will be entrusted to them by God, we must first examine what happened to Enoch and Elijah when they were here among us. Is there any evidence that these men are still alive? Our first clue comes from Sacred Scripture. In the Book of Genesis, a genealogy is given in Chapter 5 that extends from Adam to Noah. In verses 23-24 we are told the following:

"And all the years of Enoch were three hundred and sixty five years. And he walked with God and was seen no more: because God took him." Genesis 5:23-24

What is most significant about this passage are the words, "God took him." Throughout the Genesis genealogy, the summary of the life of each of the other Patriarchs concludes with the phrase, "and he died". For Enoch, however, the writer seems to indicate that something different happened.

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus, we are given a second tantalizing piece of information. In Chapter 44, verse 16 we read:

"Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he may give repentance to the nations."

We are told for the first time in this verse that Enoch is to be given a special mission, but is he to carry out this mission from Heaven or is the paradise spoken of a terrestrial one? St. Paul gives us some solid information in the Book of Hebrews when he states clearly that Enoch has not died:

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death: and he was not found because God had translated him. For before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11: 5)

The fact that Enoch has not yet died will be important in determining where he is. But before we do so, we should consider the disposition of our second Witness - the Prophet of Carmel, Elijah the Thesbite. In the Fourth Book of Kings Elijah and his disciple Elisha are walking along the Jordan River. The author of the book then says:

"And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into Heaven." (4 Kings 2: 11)

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus we are given more details:

"Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob." (Ecclesiasticus 48: 9-10)

Apart from St. John's account in the Apocalypse, there are four other very important Biblical passages concerning the task of the Two Witnesses:

1. Ecclesiasticus 44:16: "Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he might give repentance to the nations."

2. Ecclesiasticus 48:9-10: "Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob."

3. Malachi 4:5-6: Behold I will send you Elijah the Prophet, before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to to the fathers; lest I come, and strike the earth with anathema."

4. St. Matthew 17:10-12: "And His disciples asked Him, saying: Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first? But Jesus answering, said to them: 'Elijah indeed shall come and restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah is already come: and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they had a mind. So also the Son of Man shall suffer from them.'"

At this point we have a bit of a mystery. We have been told by the authors of Sacred Scripture that Enoch was "translated into paradise" and that Elijah was "taken up by a whirlwind into Heaven". However, St. Paul declares that Enoch is not dead and no mention is made of Elijah's death either. So where are they and for what purpose are they being preserved?

Enoch and Elijah have not died because death is necessary to enter into Heaven because of Original Sin - the two Old Testament figures cannot be in Heaven. To determine where Enoch and Elijah are, we must now turn to the Fathers and Doctors of the Church who seem to be in agreement that these men are in an earthly paradise prepared for them by God and will return for a very specific mission during the End Times:

"Ejijah was raised into the aerial, not the empyrean heaven, which is the abode of the Saints, and in like manner Enoch was carried away to a terrestrial paradise, where he and Elijah, it is believed, will live together until the coming of the Antichrist." - St. Thomas of Aquinas

"And when the Son of Perdition has drawn to his purpose the whole world, Enoch and Elijah shall be sent that they might confute the Evil One." - St. Ephraem

"It is a familiar theme in the conversation and heart of the faithful, that in the last days before the Judgment the J.ws shall believe in the true Christ, that is, our Christ, by means of this great and admirable prophet Elijah, who shall expound the Law to them. For not without reason do we hope that before the coming of our Judge and Saviour, Elijah shall come, because we have good reason to believe that he is now alive. For, as Scripture most distinctly informs us, he was taken up from this life in a chariot of fire. When, therefore, he is come, he will give a spiritual explanation of the Law which the J.ws at present understand carnally, and shall thus, 'turn the heart of the father to the son', that is, the heart of the fathers to the children. And the meaning is that the sons, that is, the J.ws, shall understand the Law as the fathers, that is, the prophets, and among them Moses himself, understood it...that the J.ws also, who had previously hated, should then love the Son who is our Christ." - St. Augustine

"The third demonstration arises from the coming of Enoch and Elijah, who live even now and shall live until they come to oppose Antichrist himself, and to preserve the elect in the faith of Christ, and in the end shall convert the J.ws, and it is certain that this has not yet been fulfilled." - St. Robert Bellarmine
 Quoting: Et Sano

Excellent job OP.
 Quoting: 1LittlemanRp


Yep - Excellent - thanks for that op!

where then do you feel op - has Enoch & Elijah been all these years? On earth? another planet?
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This ladies and gentlemen is what we, in the know, like to call..... Conjecture.



Pay it no mind. This person is not a prophet and did not begin telling you "Thus saith the Lord" in confirmation that God sent him to tell you of this grand conjecture or provide any proof beyond the common "see, scripture says" logic.


This man has shown you no power, nor any "new" prophecy, nor any sign. Nor is the reasoning for sharing such conjecture about the blessed two apparent.

Not only does this person assert that men who are most certainly dead, by the first death, are somehow alive, but insists that after 2000+ years these two men are going to return instead of God making new servants out of modern day genetics.


Yey, it was said by Jesus his blessed self that God could make servants out of rocks if he so desired.

"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."

So then it is not necessary for these to prophets to have lived BEYOND the apostles and taken up spots that could be given to other men who God has created in modern times.


More over this conjecture goes against two testimonies.
1. That all flesh returns to the dirt where God formed it from.
2. That in the end days the people who lived shall be honored MORE than those who were in the beginning because in the end times it shall be even harder to be of God than it was previously throughout history.


So, there is no reason for God to make two men live 2000+ years suffering just so that they can suffer some more and disallow another to have that honor. God is not a fool, he does not ever do what OP is saying.

No man has EVER lived past 1000 years and we are cursed now with shorter lives, living not even close to 200years.


Illogical. Conjecture.


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Enoch and Elijah have not died because death is necessary to enter into Heaven because of Original Sin - the two Old Testament figures cannot be in Heaven.
 Quoting: Et Sano

You are incorrect...

1 Thessalonians 4:17
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."


Death is NOT necessary to enter into Heaven.

If you believe that the Rapture described in the above verse will not happen to you, then may you get your wish.

failboat3
 Quoting: Base12


More conjecutre.


That verse in no way shape or form says that man shall be lifted into heaven and shall be with God in heaven for eternity.


It says man shall be lifted into the CLOUDS during the time which the sky rolls back open like a scroll and Christ descends to the earth and man shall meet him and be with him forever.


In the case of ALL scripture, the word forever means for a long time. The phrase FOREVER AND EVER means eternity.

See here the people will reside with Christ during his 1000 year long reign on earth and then Satan will be release so he can rampage 1000 more years after that before God destroys the earth with fire.

What you are saying is conjecture and a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72499455


Even being a Christian, I've always scratched my head at why God doesn't just POOF! make Satan disappear forever. Seems a lot of pain and heartache would be spared. And don't give me any of this churchy "Because God needs to separate the light from the dark" guff - admit it, it would all have been much easier if God had just destroyed Satan and his rebellious hordes in one POOF! and then turned to his human creations & began the long process of bringing us back to grace - a kind of re-education camp
 Quoting: Mordy McButtish


I too have been asking that same question for a long time. Why allow an Evil one to continue to exist & destroy your children & their lives & even the planet you created for them? Makes no sense at all to me.
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Ha ha, idiots think they know me.. then again why should I shewed the world with wisdom of knowledge and secret mysteries of mysteries whilst more than half the world so called Human race population are mankind?.

Take a good look at ALL IS ONE IS ALL, this one learnt from other souls expressions, yet singled out every words of truth due to the ire and loathsome of the emotional egoist feeling from the unclean spirits partying inside.

I tell ya what, I shall teach the world the secret mysteries of mysteries after 24th October 2029.

After testing everyone of you who had tested me, like refined gold!.

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All the Deep State chatter regarding "aliens" is just misinformation meant to distract from the fact that Enoch and Elijah's return is imminent and they will be returning in the same fashion as they departed: from the sky on chariots of fire.

The Church Fathers and Sacred Scripture shed light on the identity of the Two Witnesses and the reality of their return:

"And I will give unto my two witnesses: and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire shall come out of their mouths and shall devour their enemies. And if any man will hurt them, in this manner must he be slain. These have power to shut Heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and they have power over waters, to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the abyss shall make war against them and shall overcome them and kill them. And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt: where their Lord also was crucified. And they of the tr.bes and peoples and tongues and nations shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. And they who dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them and make merry: and shall send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented them who dwelt upon the earth. And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon them who saw them. And they heard a great voice from Heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up into Heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them. And at that hour there was made a great earthquake: and the tenth part of the city fell. And there were slain in the earthquake, names of men, seven thousand: and the rest were cast into fear and gave glory to the God of Heaven." - Apocalypse 11: 3-13

Before speaking about the task that will be entrusted to them by God, we must first examine what happened to Enoch and Elijah when they were here among us. Is there any evidence that these men are still alive? Our first clue comes from Sacred Scripture. In the Book of Genesis, a genealogy is given in Chapter 5 that extends from Adam to Noah. In verses 23-24 we are told the following:

"And all the years of Enoch were three hundred and sixty five years. And he walked with God and was seen no more: because God took him." Genesis 5:23-24

What is most significant about this passage are the words, "God took him." Throughout the Genesis genealogy, the summary of the life of each of the other Patriarchs concludes with the phrase, "and he died". For Enoch, however, the writer seems to indicate that something different happened.

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus, we are given a second tantalizing piece of information. In Chapter 44, verse 16 we read:

"Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he may give repentance to the nations."

We are told for the first time in this verse that Enoch is to be given a special mission, but is he to carry out this mission from Heaven or is the paradise spoken of a terrestrial one? St. Paul gives us some solid information in the Book of Hebrews when he states clearly that Enoch has not died:

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death: and he was not found because God had translated him. For before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11: 5)

The fact that Enoch has not yet died will be important in determining where he is. But before we do so, we should consider the disposition of our second Witness - the Prophet of Carmel, Elijah the Thesbite. In the Fourth Book of Kings Elijah and his disciple Elisha are walking along the Jordan River. The author of the book then says:

"And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into Heaven." (4 Kings 2: 11)

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus we are given more details:

"Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob." (Ecclesiasticus 48: 9-10)

Apart from St. John's account in the Apocalypse, there are four other very important Biblical passages concerning the task of the Two Witnesses:

1. Ecclesiasticus 44:16: "Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he might give repentance to the nations."

2. Ecclesiasticus 48:9-10: "Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob."

3. Malachi 4:5-6: Behold I will send you Elijah the Prophet, before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to to the fathers; lest I come, and strike the earth with anathema."

4. St. Matthew 17:10-12: "And His disciples asked Him, saying: Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first? But Jesus answering, said to them: 'Elijah indeed shall come and restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah is already come: and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they had a mind. So also the Son of Man shall suffer from them.'"

At this point we have a bit of a mystery. We have been told by the authors of Sacred Scripture that Enoch was "translated into paradise" and that Elijah was "taken up by a whirlwind into Heaven". However, St. Paul declares that Enoch is not dead and no mention is made of Elijah's death either. So where are they and for what purpose are they being preserved?

Enoch and Elijah have not died because death is necessary to enter into Heaven because of Original Sin - the two Old Testament figures cannot be in Heaven. To determine where Enoch and Elijah are, we must now turn to the Fathers and Doctors of the Church who seem to be in agreement that these men are in an earthly paradise prepared for them by God and will return for a very specific mission during the End Times:

"Ejijah was raised into the aerial, not the empyrean heaven, which is the abode of the Saints, and in like manner Enoch was carried away to a terrestrial paradise, where he and Elijah, it is believed, will live together until the coming of the Antichrist." - St. Thomas of Aquinas

"And when the Son of Perdition has drawn to his purpose the whole world, Enoch and Elijah shall be sent that they might confute the Evil One." - St. Ephraem

"It is a familiar theme in the conversation and heart of the faithful, that in the last days before the Judgment the J.ws shall believe in the true Christ, that is, our Christ, by means of this great and admirable prophet Elijah, who shall expound the Law to them. For not without reason do we hope that before the coming of our Judge and Saviour, Elijah shall come, because we have good reason to believe that he is now alive. For, as Scripture most distinctly informs us, he was taken up from this life in a chariot of fire. When, therefore, he is come, he will give a spiritual explanation of the Law which the J.ws at present understand carnally, and shall thus, 'turn the heart of the father to the son', that is, the heart of the fathers to the children. And the meaning is that the sons, that is, the J.ws, shall understand the Law as the fathers, that is, the prophets, and among them Moses himself, understood it...that the J.ws also, who had previously hated, should then love the Son who is our Christ." - St. Augustine

"The third demonstration arises from the coming of Enoch and Elijah, who live even now and shall live until they come to oppose Antichrist himself, and to preserve the elect in the faith of Christ, and in the end shall convert the J.ws, and it is certain that this has not yet been fulfilled." - St. Robert Bellarmine
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That happened in 70ad.

Your western Hollywood "left behind" theology is entertaining, but far from truth

Shalom
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No, Enoch and Elijah did not return in 70AD. But they will return prior to the Second Coming.
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All the Deep State chatter regarding "aliens" is just misinformation meant to distract from the fact that Enoch and Elijah's return is imminent and they will be returning in the same fashion as they departed: from the sky on chariots of fire.

The Church Fathers and Sacred Scripture shed light on the identity of the Two Witnesses and the reality of their return:

"And I will give unto my two witnesses: and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire shall come out of their mouths and shall devour their enemies. And if any man will hurt them, in this manner must he be slain. These have power to shut Heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and they have power over waters, to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the abyss shall make war against them and shall overcome them and kill them. And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt: where their Lord also was crucified. And they of the tr.bes and peoples and tongues and nations shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. And they who dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them and make merry: and shall send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented them who dwelt upon the earth. And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon them who saw them. And they heard a great voice from Heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up into Heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them. And at that hour there was made a great earthquake: and the tenth part of the city fell. And there were slain in the earthquake, names of men, seven thousand: and the rest were cast into fear and gave glory to the God of Heaven." - Apocalypse 11: 3-13

Before speaking about the task that will be entrusted to them by God, we must first examine what happened to Enoch and Elijah when they were here among us. Is there any evidence that these men are still alive? Our first clue comes from Sacred Scripture. In the Book of Genesis, a genealogy is given in Chapter 5 that extends from Adam to Noah. In verses 23-24 we are told the following:

"And all the years of Enoch were three hundred and sixty five years. And he walked with God and was seen no more: because God took him." Genesis 5:23-24

What is most significant about this passage are the words, "God took him." Throughout the Genesis genealogy, the summary of the life of each of the other Patriarchs concludes with the phrase, "and he died". For Enoch, however, the writer seems to indicate that something different happened.

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus, we are given a second tantalizing piece of information. In Chapter 44, verse 16 we read:

"Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he may give repentance to the nations."

We are told for the first time in this verse that Enoch is to be given a special mission, but is he to carry out this mission from Heaven or is the paradise spoken of a terrestrial one? St. Paul gives us some solid information in the Book of Hebrews when he states clearly that Enoch has not died:

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death: and he was not found because God had translated him. For before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11: 5)

The fact that Enoch has not yet died will be important in determining where he is. But before we do so, we should consider the disposition of our second Witness - the Prophet of Carmel, Elijah the Thesbite. In the Fourth Book of Kings Elijah and his disciple Elisha are walking along the Jordan River. The author of the book then says:

"And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into Heaven." (4 Kings 2: 11)

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus we are given more details:

"Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob." (Ecclesiasticus 48: 9-10)

Apart from St. John's account in the Apocalypse, there are four other very important Biblical passages concerning the task of the Two Witnesses:

1. Ecclesiasticus 44:16: "Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he might give repentance to the nations."

2. Ecclesiasticus 48:9-10: "Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob."

3. Malachi 4:5-6: Behold I will send you Elijah the Prophet, before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to to the fathers; lest I come, and strike the earth with anathema."

4. St. Matthew 17:10-12: "And His disciples asked Him, saying: Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first? But Jesus answering, said to them: 'Elijah indeed shall come and restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah is already come: and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they had a mind. So also the Son of Man shall suffer from them.'"

At this point we have a bit of a mystery. We have been told by the authors of Sacred Scripture that Enoch was "translated into paradise" and that Elijah was "taken up by a whirlwind into Heaven". However, St. Paul declares that Enoch is not dead and no mention is made of Elijah's death either. So where are they and for what purpose are they being preserved?

Enoch and Elijah have not died because death is necessary to enter into Heaven because of Original Sin - the two Old Testament figures cannot be in Heaven. To determine where Enoch and Elijah are, we must now turn to the Fathers and Doctors of the Church who seem to be in agreement that these men are in an earthly paradise prepared for them by God and will return for a very specific mission during the End Times:

"Ejijah was raised into the aerial, not the empyrean heaven, which is the abode of the Saints, and in like manner Enoch was carried away to a terrestrial paradise, where he and Elijah, it is believed, will live together until the coming of the Antichrist." - St. Thomas of Aquinas

"And when the Son of Perdition has drawn to his purpose the whole world, Enoch and Elijah shall be sent that they might confute the Evil One." - St. Ephraem

"It is a familiar theme in the conversation and heart of the faithful, that in the last days before the Judgment the J.ws shall believe in the true Christ, that is, our Christ, by means of this great and admirable prophet Elijah, who shall expound the Law to them. For not without reason do we hope that before the coming of our Judge and Saviour, Elijah shall come, because we have good reason to believe that he is now alive. For, as Scripture most distinctly informs us, he was taken up from this life in a chariot of fire. When, therefore, he is come, he will give a spiritual explanation of the Law which the J.ws at present understand carnally, and shall thus, 'turn the heart of the father to the son', that is, the heart of the fathers to the children. And the meaning is that the sons, that is, the J.ws, shall understand the Law as the fathers, that is, the prophets, and among them Moses himself, understood it...that the J.ws also, who had previously hated, should then love the Son who is our Christ." - St. Augustine

"The third demonstration arises from the coming of Enoch and Elijah, who live even now and shall live until they come to oppose Antichrist himself, and to preserve the elect in the faith of Christ, and in the end shall convert the J.ws, and it is certain that this has not yet been fulfilled." - St. Robert Bellarmine
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Excellent job OP.
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Yep - Excellent - thanks for that op!

where then do you feel op - has Enoch & Elijah been all these years? On earth? another planet?
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Some Church Fathers felt that they were still living on Earth in some remote location, praying and doing penance in a supernaturally preserved state until God permits them to return to public for their End Time ministry against the Antichrist. Others are of the opinion that they are being preserved in the Garden of Paradise which is not the same realm as Heaven and which you will recall was separated and hidden from Earth after the Fall, and that the means by which Enoch and Elijah have remained preserved is due to the fact that they have access to the Tree of Life which exists to this day albeit hidden supernaturally.
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Might be the case OP.

Actual " aliens " would be fallen angels coming to assert the Antichrist.
All praise and glory to God ~ He is always in control , no matter what happens. ~

Jesus is LORD AND SAVIOR!

Zephaniah 2:3 -

Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the Lord’s anger.
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Thread: What B.S. satanic PSYOP is NASA going to pull tonight? PLASMA APOCALYPSE? LOL...
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All the Deep State chatter regarding "aliens" is just misinformation meant to distract from the fact that Enoch and Elijah's return is imminent and they will be returning in the same fashion as they departed: from the sky on chariots of fire.

The Church Fathers and Sacred Scripture shed light on the identity of the Two Witnesses and the reality of their return:

"And I will give unto my two witnesses: and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire shall come out of their mouths and shall devour their enemies. And if any man will hurt them, in this manner must he be slain. These have power to shut Heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and they have power over waters, to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the abyss shall make war against them and shall overcome them and kill them. And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt: where their Lord also was crucified. And they of the tr.bes and peoples and tongues and nations shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. And they who dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them and make merry: and shall send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented them who dwelt upon the earth. And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon them who saw them. And they heard a great voice from Heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up into Heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them. And at that hour there was made a great earthquake: and the tenth part of the city fell. And there were slain in the earthquake, names of men, seven thousand: and the rest were cast into fear and gave glory to the God of Heaven." - Apocalypse 11: 3-13

Before speaking about the task that will be entrusted to them by God, we must first examine what happened to Enoch and Elijah when they were here among us. Is there any evidence that these men are still alive? Our first clue comes from Sacred Scripture. In the Book of Genesis, a genealogy is given in Chapter 5 that extends from Adam to Noah. In verses 23-24 we are told the following:

"And all the years of Enoch were three hundred and sixty five years. And he walked with God and was seen no more: because God took him." Genesis 5:23-24

What is most significant about this passage are the words, "God took him." Throughout the Genesis genealogy, the summary of the life of each of the other Patriarchs concludes with the phrase, "and he died". For Enoch, however, the writer seems to indicate that something different happened.

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus, we are given a second tantalizing piece of information. In Chapter 44, verse 16 we read:

"Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he may give repentance to the nations."

We are told for the first time in this verse that Enoch is to be given a special mission, but is he to carry out this mission from Heaven or is the paradise spoken of a terrestrial one? St. Paul gives us some solid information in the Book of Hebrews when he states clearly that Enoch has not died:

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death: and he was not found because God had translated him. For before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11: 5)

The fact that Enoch has not yet died will be important in determining where he is. But before we do so, we should consider the disposition of our second Witness - the Prophet of Carmel, Elijah the Thesbite. In the Fourth Book of Kings Elijah and his disciple Elisha are walking along the Jordan River. The author of the book then says:

"And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into Heaven." (4 Kings 2: 11)

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus we are given more details:

"Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob." (Ecclesiasticus 48: 9-10)

Apart from St. John's account in the Apocalypse, there are four other very important Biblical passages concerning the task of the Two Witnesses:

1. Ecclesiasticus 44:16: "Enoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he might give repentance to the nations."

2. Ecclesiasticus 48:9-10: "Who (Elijah) was taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. Who is registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son and to restore the tr.bes of Jacob."

3. Malachi 4:5-6: Behold I will send you Elijah the Prophet, before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to to the fathers; lest I come, and strike the earth with anathema."

4. St. Matthew 17:10-12: "And His disciples asked Him, saying: Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first? But Jesus answering, said to them: 'Elijah indeed shall come and restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah is already come: and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they had a mind. So also the Son of Man shall suffer from them.'"

At this point we have a bit of a mystery. We have been told by the authors of Sacred Scripture that Enoch was "translated into paradise" and that Elijah was "taken up by a whirlwind into Heaven". However, St. Paul declares that Enoch is not dead and no mention is made of Elijah's death either. So where are they and for what purpose are they being preserved?

Enoch and Elijah have not died because death is necessary to enter into Heaven because of Original Sin - the two Old Testament figures cannot be in Heaven. To determine where Enoch and Elijah are, we must now turn to the Fathers and Doctors of the Church who seem to be in agreement that these men are in an earthly paradise prepared for them by God and will return for a very specific mission during the End Times:

"Ejijah was raised into the aerial, not the empyrean heaven, which is the abode of the Saints, and in like manner Enoch was carried away to a terrestrial paradise, where he and Elijah, it is believed, will live together until the coming of the Antichrist." - St. Thomas of Aquinas

"And when the Son of Perdition has drawn to his purpose the whole world, Enoch and Elijah shall be sent that they might confute the Evil One." - St. Ephraem

"It is a familiar theme in the conversation and heart of the faithful, that in the last days before the Judgment the J.ws shall believe in the true Christ, that is, our Christ, by means of this great and admirable prophet Elijah, who shall expound the Law to them. For not without reason do we hope that before the coming of our Judge and Saviour, Elijah shall come, because we have good reason to believe that he is now alive. For, as Scripture most distinctly informs us, he was taken up from this life in a chariot of fire. When, therefore, he is come, he will give a spiritual explanation of the Law which the J.ws at present understand carnally, and shall thus, 'turn the heart of the father to the son', that is, the heart of the fathers to the children. And the meaning is that the sons, that is, the J.ws, shall understand the Law as the fathers, that is, the prophets, and among them Moses himself, understood it...that the J.ws also, who had previously hated, should then love the Son who is our Christ." - St. Augustine

"The third demonstration arises from the coming of Enoch and Elijah, who live even now and shall live until they come to oppose Antichrist himself, and to preserve the elect in the faith of Christ, and in the end shall convert the J.ws, and it is certain that this has not yet been fulfilled." - St. Robert Bellarmine
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