Christians, do you have the true gospel message?

Oh? Which words of Yahshua in the gospel of Thomas do you deem to be those written by someone with a learning disability?

You said this.
Close enough.

That's NOT what YOU SAID in this post.

'Interpretation'?

Jesus said 'repent'.
Jesus said 'obey the commandments'.
Jesus said 'Believe'

The Apostles ALL taught the SAME thing.

No 'interpretation' required.

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Ecclesiastes?

A man to whom no answer was good enough.

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you are like a dog with the only bone on the planet.

You are presuming an assigned meaning to my post. When I said the bible is not "facts" I MEANT 100% factual. You should ask me to clarify when you don't fully understand what I'm saying, rather than presuming.

Again, show me where anything I've said spoke against Yahshua's teachings. You can't.

Yes, he said to obey the commands...... he also said all the law hangs upon the first two commandments. I've said many times, and you have read this. IF you live the first two commandments, then you will automatically follow ALLLLLLLL the rest.

And when I am speaking of Rome's interpretation, I'm specifically referring to HOW it twists the meanings of what he said, of his intention behind his words, and imparts its own rules and regulations by way of control mechanisms to the extent of torture, war, mutilations, theft and murder.

Are you aware of how pedophiles will use the scriptures in support of their mind control over children? That men who beat their wives do so under the teachings of the NT?

To this day, you are the epitome of Rome's exertion of control over the masses.

Happy RAday!

oh? does this mean you disregard this book? You don't treat it with the same respect as the WHOLE bible demands? You don't believe it's the infallible, breathed by the Holy Spirt words?

What makes you think that the Gospel of Thomas is 'authentic' and the Godspels in the Bible are not?

What makes you think that the 'sayings' are more accurate than what Jesus is recorded as saying in the 4 Bible Gospels?

Saying that 'Rome changed them' is balderdash.

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Jesus died for you

because only God can forgive your sin.

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The Holy Spirit spoke Ecclesiastes?
Nonsense.
It's merely a book enjoyed by the rabbi's of ancient times.

The person clearly finds no joy in serving God nor doing God's Will.

The Bible doesn't 'demand' that Ecclesiastes to be respected. It's more of a warning that knowledge and wisdom are useless without a solid Faith and Trust in God.

Jesus death was necessary to PROVE that 'life after death' was real. Without the Resurrection there would be no proof of the possibility of eternal life.

The Father allowing Jesus to raise Lazarus was a prelude to Jesus' Resurrection.

and, so which words of Yahshua's as quoted in the Gospel of Thomas, would you call lies and deception?

The fact that the words 'secret / secrets' are used to seem to portray that WITHOUT 'secret knowledge' - Salvation is NOT possible.

This is clearly a Gnostic teaching designed to gain the leaders of the group additional followers.

The Thief on the Cross had no secret knowledge - yet Jesus clearly said he was Saved.

Salvation isn't dependent on 'secret knowledge'.

Agreed 100%.

Secret could also be used as a term in parallel to Jesus telling the apostles that the parables were meant for them, as they had ears to hear. The general people had no understanding of his words. So to them, it would have seemed to be "secret" words.

so again....... which words of his do you judge to be lies and deception?

I can't help it if you don't take the time to THINK before you type.

You're claiming that the Bible isn't 100% 'factual'.

Are there words mistranslated? Yep.
It's a common thing when translating from one language to another.

You claim 'Rome' changed a LOT.

You have no verifiable PROOF.

All you do is make 'statements'...

You follow that 'Montana mule' who's hiding because the vast majority of scholarship thinks he's way off base.

I would agree.

Yet EVERY time the Apostles asked Jesus for a 'plain language explanation' - He gave it to them.

Much of 'Thomas' reads like parables that he gives no explanation for. Even IF the writing is genuine, the Gnostics took advantage of it to claim THEY had the 'special understanding' for Salvation.

They don't.

You cannot prove I'm wrong.

Ur so buried in your program aka mind control...it's not possible for any light to reach u.

Enjoy your darkness!

I don't need to prove you wrong.
Scripture does it thoroughly.

Mind control? Invalid atheistic argument.

Anyone who claims God doesn't deserve worship is a damned fool.

Scripture proves me wrong, eh? The same circular reasons as has always been given, handed dow to you by Rome. The bible is true because it says it is.

You think mind control is an atheistic argument ? Hahahahaa, actually that's really terribly sad you actually believe that.

And you definitely cannot assign the label of atheist to me. Anyone who has eyes to see, can see I'm anything but an atheist.

Cheers!

I didn't say you ARE an atheist.

You've clearly bought into some of their claims and arguments though. Your 'Rome Rome Rome' chant is proof.

'circular reasons'? To what questions?

You state that pastors couldn't answer your questions, yet you fail to understand that they are trained to teach and defend doctrines.

The Bible usually has answers to questions.

Not all questions are valid.
Not all questions need to be answered.

You should consider starting a topic - and post your questions / objections to what the Bible says. You'd have to be specific, which seems to be difficult for you, considering your previous 'the Bible is NOT facts' claim.

You keep harping about 'mind control'.

Everyone has free will.

Choose to Believe and follow the rules - you will be Blessed with Forgiveness and have entry into the Kingdomn of God after your human death.

Choose NOT to Believe - no entry into the Kingdom.

Loving God is easier and more joyful than fearing Him.

The Pharisees of Jesus time tried to control the Believer's minds with hundreds of 'rules'. Radical Christians and Muslims have both tried to force conversion on folks by threatening them with a human death.

Jesus never said to do such things.

Guess you have never heard of the concept of propaganda

Oh wait ! That term is not in the bible, so therefore in your mind, does not exist

I don't and won't post a thread seeking answers from anyone. I ask of the Creator only and listen through my heart wherein he resides.

All threads I have started have been for discussion purposes only where like minded people....dare I say, people who are vibrationally aligned can commune. I know that lingo is outside your bible box and so will be disdained by you.

Others, who have found their way outside the bible box, will understand completely.

And there are many who have already posted threads on objections to the bible and why. Only to be viciously attacked by xtrians.

You act like no demon nor Satan can lead you astray.

You're sadly mistaken.

Look at Solomon. Proof positive.

God had Moses and other write the Old Testament for a reason. And Jesus mentions the Father over 200 times in the 4 Gospels - with the other writers mentioning the Father well over another 150 times.

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Why do you suppose God had all those folks WRITE?

It was so the Father's words would be remembered - and not replaced by falsehoods and deceit.

You claim God - the Creator doesn't wnat nor even deserve worship.

You're sadly mistaken.

I don't act like anything. The difference between you and me is that I trust my heart for truth and you place your trust in a book that has multiple translations and was compiled by untold and unknown person's of questionable and even evil nature and which purpose was ultimately to be used as a control system. The beautiful thing is that now during this time of the revealing of the teachings from the letters themselves and their meanings is so incredibly eye opening. But you have to study the letters of the language as given, the Aramaic and jabraw. The meanings are nothing as we've been indoctrinated with.

You,in your superior abilities of judge of character have judged Solomon to be of lesser character than yourself. Yet apparently you still includehis writings within the infallible and holy spirit breathed Word of God.

And what about David ? Do you judge him for his sins which were pretty grievous ? Or do you chalk that up to how god works in our lives to demonstrate how he keeps his promises ? If so, then why the difference between the two ? Why do some get Grace and others don't ? I don't REALLY want your answers, rather that you should truly go within and ask yourself. And not go to someone else's site and copy paste someone else's answer.

As for my worship thread, if you would actually READ what I write than it's slightly possible that you might be able to begin to understand what I write. But it takes a humble heart to be open to deeper understanding of God's word. I actually addressed this a few pages in by giving an interpretation of the word "worship ".. from the jabraw meaning, and it's true meaning as compared to the English literation and the meaning as given to us as directed by Rome.

It's truly a wonder, that you weren't born 2000 years ago so that you would have written and compiled all the writings within the infallible and holy spirit breathed Word of God, and you would have done it

באופנה סולו

And I say that totally tongue in cheek!
Cheers!