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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76171428 United States 06/04/2021 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live out in rural SC on the edge of a national forest, and see fully loaded log trucks pass my house at least half-a-dozen times a day, and driving around I see logging happening all over the place. Quoting: Turtle Flower The other day I drove by the lumberyard, and have never seen so much wood piled up, almost the entire yard was filled with wood, stacks and stacks set out over the several acres. Why is wood so expensive now? It sure ain’t a shortage. I see the same thing where I am in Kershaw County SC. They've been harvesting wood all over here for the past 2 years. |
Duncan the destroyer
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User ID: 68903750 United States 06/04/2021 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live out in rural SC on the edge of a national forest, and see fully loaded log trucks pass my house at least half-a-dozen times a day, and driving around I see logging happening all over the place. Quoting: Turtle Flower The other day I drove by the lumberyard, and have never seen so much wood piled up, almost the entire yard was filled with wood, stacks and stacks set out over the several acres. Why is wood so expensive now? It sure ain’t a shortage. other than price gouging i got no other ideas. maybe push down home building market or to raise value of urban real estate that is owned by your typical dickbags and the like of coumo and delasio and other less public people. if plywood costs 30$ a board and it costs 1 mill to build a 300k house. it will keep the rats on the ship. but to what you said OP in the first post |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80172733 United States 06/04/2021 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've heard from a local lumberyard the problem is not available supply. Quoting: tkwasny The problem is truckers staying home collecting double unemployment giving them far more take home cash than if they worked, first. Then secondly, cash they do get doesn't have to get siphoned off into their rig for fuel, DEF and lube. Most small time truckers are making way more take home $$$ staying home. I read this the other day so I reached out to a trucker friend to verify. He said this may be the case with a few guys but he didn’t think it was the cause. He said he just had done a haul from Oregon to Texas. While there he heard that a big problem is that young people aren’t wanting to work- at lumberyards, etc... so it’s slowing everything down. He said there is a $10,000 sign-on bonus to get workers. From what I’ve seen in my industry... I’d say this is likely a factor. |
Bloody Peasant!
User ID: 75284939 United States 06/04/2021 10:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no shortage, lumber yards are filled to the brim like never before. I’ve got a vacation ski house in Maine, every lumber yard up there is over flowing with raw logs and finished products. I’ve never seen their yards as full as they are now Quoting: Cardiak Same here in E WA and N Idaho. Full mills with massive stacks of finished product waiting to be picked up. Mills are running and workers are working. This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. -Admiral Josh Painter The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. -Orwell Bloody Peasant |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80446118 Argentina 06/04/2021 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live out in rural SC on the edge of a national forest, and see fully loaded log trucks pass my house at least half-a-dozen times a day, and driving around I see logging happening all over the place. Quoting: Turtle Flower The other day I drove by the lumberyard, and have never seen so much wood piled up, almost the entire yard was filled with wood, stacks and stacks set out over the several acres. Why is wood so expensive now? It sure ain’t a shortage. WELCOME TO ARGENTINA. INFLATION IS COMING |
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mr dull socks
User ID: 80137492 United States 06/04/2021 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live out in rural SC on the edge of a national forest, and see fully loaded log trucks pass my house at least half-a-dozen times a day, and driving around I see logging happening all over the place. Quoting: Turtle Flower The other day I drove by the lumberyard, and have never seen so much wood piled up, almost the entire yard was filled with wood, stacks and stacks set out over the several acres. Why is wood so expensive now? It sure ain’t a shortage. watch the "uneducated economist" on youtube. he works at a lumber yard and explains the entire thing. there is a shortage, but to the layman it doesnt appear that way. it has more to do with what is in the pipeline vs. what are on the yards. |
Rorschach Watchmen
User ID: 79318196 United States 06/04/2021 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in a logging/lumber mill town. Loaded rail cars, loaded docks full of lumber and raw trees. Plus I ride in the Gifford Pinchot and see them logging all them time on my way there in the surrounding forests. W. Washington btw Last Edited by H. Rorschach on 06/04/2021 10:38 AM “When you’re dead you’re dead, but you’re not quite so dead if you contribute something” -John Dunsworth |
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User ID: 71630411 United States 06/04/2021 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and tagged logs heading somewhere? the Loggers i know are not making anymore $$ now then they did before Covid, Local Sawmill is loaded to point that there is no more room, someone is price fixing and since there are very few lumber sellers left it shouldn't be too hard to figure out, Home Dopo and Lowes should know who are fixing prices! Last Edited by M R E on 06/04/2021 10:41 AM would rather have it & not need it then need it & not have it |
samOmighty
User ID: 75969252 United States 06/04/2021 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've worked in the construction industry for 30 years now. I've heard all kinds of reasons for why there is a shortage. From covid, to the fires in the pac NW, to China, to truckers, to labor shortages due to the state and federal govt paying people more than they were making at the yards. The fact of the matter is construction is one of the most important factors in a healthy economy. When construction stalls out, it has a rippling effect on the entire economy and brings it down with it. Get ready for the Great Reset. No one in their right mind would agree with having a central planning department unless the world got so bad the people would be willing to do anything to have a life again. The controllers of society are doing a slow kill to the economy to bring it to its knees to get us to accept a new command economy where a select few dictate every aspect of your life - the Central Planning Department. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80363680 United States 06/04/2021 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have worked in the NW timber industry for 30+ years, my family has been involved in it since the turn of the last century. Talk to loggers everyday and each one tells me that the log prices haven't changed and they aren't getting any more money for logging even though the lumber price is at all time highs; in other words, a huge disconnect in log versus lumber prices. All the mills in the NW are stuffed to the gills with logs, especially after the fires of last fall in OR and WA, and there is plenty of lumber, too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79238296 My theory on all this is, lumber is a commodity; 2x4's are traded on the commodities exchange just like wheat, oil, pork bellies and everything else we produce. The fed has created trillions and that is starting to seep into prices of commodities as inflation- big time. You see it in gold and silver, too. Don't expect the mills to ramp up production either in order to lower the price of lumber; they are loving this right now -that you can be sure of. The timber industry works on a 7 year economic cycle that you can set your watch to and believe me, there have been some lean years that need to be made up. Big local mill in our area will no longer sell locally. Getting better prices shipping it out to mid-west and the south, so trainloads are headed out of the PNW going that way and our building supply stores cannot get any lumber consequently. One building supplier said their inventory would be totally gone by the end of July and they have no idea where they will be able to buy any since local greedy mills are all selling/shipping out of the region. |
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User ID: 80427937 United States 06/04/2021 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live out in rural SC on the edge of a national forest, and see fully loaded log trucks pass my house at least half-a-dozen times a day, and driving around I see logging happening all over the place. Quoting: Turtle Flower The other day I drove by the lumberyard, and have never seen so much wood piled up, almost the entire yard was filled with wood, stacks and stacks set out over the several acres. Why is wood so expensive now? It sure ain’t a shortage. I see it too turtle. They cutting the hell outta government land. Private to. Should be no shortage in our state anyway. |
Bud Fox
User ID: 74158055 United States 06/04/2021 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have worked in the NW timber industry for 30+ years, my family has been involved in it since the turn of the last century. Talk to loggers everyday and each one tells me that the log prices haven't changed and they aren't getting any more money for logging even though the lumber price is at all time highs; in other words, a huge disconnect in log versus lumber prices. All the mills in the NW are stuffed to the gills with logs, especially after the fires of last fall in OR and WA, and there is plenty of lumber, too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79238296 My theory on all this is, lumber is a commodity; 2x4's are traded on the commodities exchange just like wheat, oil, pork bellies and everything else we produce. The fed has created trillions and that is starting to seep into prices of commodities as inflation- big time. You see it in gold and silver, too. Don't expect the mills to ramp up production either in order to lower the price of lumber; they are loving this right now -that you can be sure of. The timber industry works on a 7 year economic cycle that you can set your watch to and believe me, there have been some lean years that need to be made up. I can confirm the price of timber part. I have some oak and Aspen to cut, but have been waiting for the right price. i figured with the price insanity now was the time. wrong. it's the same price as before, barely moved in fact. Blue Horseshoe loves GLP |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72263490 United States 06/04/2021 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Futures set the pricing...lots of liquidity driving futures. If/When it dries up, prices will fall. Mills are just taking advantage of this to make money. The real 'tell' would be total inventory. If we could get a good gauge on total finished lumber inventory with trends that would paint a clearer picture of the situation. |
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User ID: 78303102 United States 06/04/2021 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live out in rural SC on the edge of a national forest, and see fully loaded log trucks pass my house at least half-a-dozen times a day, and driving around I see logging happening all over the place. Quoting: Turtle Flower The other day I drove by the lumberyard, and have never seen so much wood piled up, almost the entire yard was filled with wood, stacks and stacks set out over the several acres. Why is wood so expensive now? It sure ain’t a shortage. I think when Trump returns 5here will be a building boom like never before. Supplies are stocked. (Pulls off mask)"And we would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling Qtards" Klaus S. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76510871 United States 06/04/2021 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no shortage, lumber yards are filled to the brim like never before. I’ve got a vacation ski house in Maine, every lumber yard up there is over flowing with raw logs and finished products. I’ve never seen their yards as full as they are now Quoting: Cardiak Yes, we need to do some stuff around the property, but are holding off until the prices return to normal?? Whatever that may be. Never going back. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73072562 United States 06/04/2021 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live out in rural SC on the edge of a national forest, and see fully loaded log trucks pass my house at least half-a-dozen times a day, and driving around I see logging happening all over the place. Quoting: Turtle Flower The other day I drove by the lumberyard, and have never seen so much wood piled up, almost the entire yard was filled with wood, stacks and stacks set out over the several acres. Why is wood so expensive now? It sure ain’t a shortage. Same here in the north cascades. Log trucks like crazy and the mill works 24/7 |