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Husband had some normal depression after job loss. My Mother in law has always been very controlling. She is a former dean of school near DC.
She inserted herself and made my husband go see a therapist she selected.
This was 4 years ago.
He went from being a good and strong man to a very scary and angry person since seeing this therapist.
I researched her and begged him to stop seeing her as she is an atheist humanist liberal.
He said since his Mother was paying for the therapist he might as well keep going.
Anyway, I looked her up again recently since he has gotten worse and now wants a divorce and says he hates me (I am a loving trad wife so this hurts a lot)
Her father's obituary is now first result.
Her father was a founder of the CIA's shrink unit.
Apparently shrink under 5 presidents.
Surreal.
His last work on this Earth was to write an anti Trump book.
I told my husband this and he's not remotely concerned.
Anyone reading this can figure out who I'm talking about and his shrink daughter with a bit of sleuthing.
I now am faced with a husband who acts hell bent on ruining me and since I knew him for years BEFORE "therapy", this all seems like it hinges on 4 years with this woman "shrinking" him.
What chills me no end is that all the happy times together are gone from his memory.
Instead I'm subjected to nonstop mental torture no matter how hard I try to cook, clean, and be super nice.

Should I be scared? Now that I found that obit, things make more sense. He acts brainwashed. Did I also mention my husband is very handsome and the shrink acts flirty with him even though she's 25 years older than him?
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Yes, have you ever seen the movie Manchurian Candidate?
Well these days, almost everyone associated with the federal government is a mind controlled bot.
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Most married men eventually come to the realization that they made a major mistake that changed the trajectory of and/or ruined their lives. All the shrink did was speed the process up.
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Husband had some normal depression after job loss. My Mother in law has always been very controlling. She is a former dean of school near DC.
She inserted herself and made my husband go see a therapist she selected.
This was 4 years ago.
He went from being a good and strong man to a very scary and angry person since seeing this therapist.
I researched her and begged him to stop seeing her as she is an atheist humanist liberal.
He said since his Mother was paying for the therapist he might as well keep going.
Anyway, I looked her up again recently since he has gotten worse and now wants a divorce and says he hates me (I am a loving trad wife so this hurts a lot)
Her father's obituary is now first result.
Her father was a founder of the CIA's shrink unit.
Apparently shrink under 5 presidents.
Surreal.
His last work on this Earth was to write an anti Trump book.
I told my husband this and he's not remotely concerned.
Anyone reading this can figure out who I'm talking about and his shrink daughter with a bit of sleuthing.
I now am faced with a husband who acts hell bent on ruining me and since I knew him for years BEFORE "therapy", this all seems like it hinges on 4 years with this woman "shrinking" him.
What chills me no end is that all the happy times together are gone from his memory.
Instead I'm subjected to nonstop mental torture no matter how hard I try to cook, clean, and be super nice.

Should I be scared? Now that I found that obit, things make more sense. He acts brainwashed. Did I also mention my husband is very handsome and the shrink acts flirty with him even though she's 25 years older than him?
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OP, that's a tough situation. Is he acting violent towards you? Does he have access to weapons? Are there kids in the home? Don't answer these questions on this forum, it's not our business. But I would say that if any of these questions are yes, I would first focus on personal safety and safety of the kids.

Second, your husband sounds like he's still got some mama issues. She seems to wants to be the woman in his life.

I don't know OP, that's not an everyday occurrence. Like I said, focus on personal safety first, the focus on finding a way to pull him away from both the therapist AND the mom.

You could also insist to talk to the therapists or go with him to a session.

Good luck OP

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If your husband has any psychiatric issues you should be scared..but he should fit right in with these fuks here
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Husband had some normal depression after job loss. My Mother in law has always been very controlling. She is a former dean of school near DC.
She inserted herself and made my husband go see a therapist she selected.
This was 4 years ago.
He went from being a good and strong man to a very scary and angry person since seeing this therapist.
I researched her and begged him to stop seeing her as she is an atheist humanist liberal.
He said since his Mother was paying for the therapist he might as well keep going.
Anyway, I looked her up again recently since he has gotten worse and now wants a divorce and says he hates me (I am a loving trad wife so this hurts a lot)
Her father's obituary is now first result.
Her father was a founder of the CIA's shrink unit.
Apparently shrink under 5 presidents.
Surreal.
His last work on this Earth was to write an anti Trump book.
I told my husband this and he's not remotely concerned.
Anyone reading this can figure out who I'm talking about and his shrink daughter with a bit of sleuthing.
I now am faced with a husband who acts hell bent on ruining me and since I knew him for years BEFORE "therapy", this all seems like it hinges on 4 years with this woman "shrinking" him.
What chills me no end is that all the happy times together are gone from his memory.
Instead I'm subjected to nonstop mental torture no matter how hard I try to cook, clean, and be super nice.

Should I be scared? Now that I found that obit, things make more sense. He acts brainwashed. Did I also mention my husband is very handsome and the shrink acts flirty with him even though she's 25 years older than him?
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You should probably going outside a little more often & LARP a little less on random internet forums.
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[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Four years is quite long enough to be brainwashed.

Your mother in law might very well have been match making, one never knows.

Any traditional woman will be disparaged and they might already be involved so save any bank statements, investment account statements, etc.

He will be advised how to hide all his assets before he drops the bomb so be wise as a serpent and harmless as a lamb.

Best wishes to you. Maybe you could convince him to see a church marriage counselor and see if that might help.
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1. The CIA isn't omnipotent.
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Yes, have you ever seen the movie Manchurian Candidate?
Well these days, almost everyone associated with the federal government is a mind controlled bot.
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Yes, familiar with it. I'm disturbed because although I'm a nobody with no power, my Mom's family knew people who are now important. Not in any way that would help me though.

Not one, but two uncles (now deceased, naturally) connected to slow joe's friends. (via strom on one side and philly's main line on the other)

my cousin's married (now divorced) to daughter of c/c/p types

he's a big wig about to hold meeting with top ch types and he holds high up position with a well known china/usa co.

And husband brother is besties with J. Alefantis.

I 'kid' you not.

The whole thing is surreal.

I was so happy before I ever moved to DC area over a decade ago.


Is I was reading any of this I would think it was huey.

Truth is stranger than fiction?

I mean I can't see how changing a man's personality and making him hate his loving wife benefits nefarious types.


Like what would the point be? Husband doesn't care that his brother pals around with j. alefantis.

I don't even speak to my cosuin who has top level ch1na connections.

My uncles who knew J biden and friends are dead.

It's not like I am privy to anything destructive nor is my soon to be ex husband.

I PRAY that things will change and he will stop seeing this shrink but it's like he no longer listens to reason.
He gets very angry when I suggest he stop seeing her for a while.

Seems like a matter of destory people for giggles?

My husband's shrink just HAS to know that he's a complete conservative. Why would she possibly help him sincerely?

It feels good to ramble here, but I guess my only option is to slink off and leave DC.
It's very creepy though. I looked at an old video of us together and he was just a bright eyes and loving guy.

The only variable (besides a job for a law job he didn't even like) is this shrink's influence.

Weird.
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Most married men eventually come to the realization that they made a major mistake that changed the trajectory of and/or ruined their lives. All the shrink did was speed the process up.
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I'm a lovely wife and we were very happy.
Shame on you.
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1. The CIA isn't omnipotent.
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True. It's just an odd thing that husband would have such a 180 degree personality change and here is his shrink who was reared by a someone considered a founder of shrink tricks.
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[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Four years is quite long enough to be brainwashed.

Your mother in law might very well have been match making, one never knows.

Any traditional woman will be disparaged and they might already be involved so save any bank statements, investment account statements, etc.

He will be advised how to hide all his assets before he drops the bomb so be wise as a serpent and harmless as a lamb.

Best wishes to you. Maybe you could convince him to see a church marriage counselor and see if that might help.
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He is an attorney so I expect to walk away with nothing.
Also, she has kept her name on all his assets.
I never cared enough about money, guess that was bad.
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Husband had some normal depression after job loss. My Mother in law has always been very controlling. She is a former dean of school near DC.
She inserted herself and made my husband go see a therapist she selected.
This was 4 years ago.
He went from being a good and strong man to a very scary and angry person since seeing this therapist.
I researched her and begged him to stop seeing her as she is an atheist humanist liberal.
He said since his Mother was paying for the therapist he might as well keep going.
Anyway, I looked her up again recently since he has gotten worse and now wants a divorce and says he hates me (I am a loving trad wife so this hurts a lot)
Her father's obituary is now first result.
Her father was a founder of the CIA's shrink unit.
Apparently shrink under 5 presidents.
Surreal.
His last work on this Earth was to write an anti Trump book.
I told my husband this and he's not remotely concerned.
Anyone reading this can figure out who I'm talking about and his shrink daughter with a bit of sleuthing.
I now am faced with a husband who acts hell bent on ruining me and since I knew him for years BEFORE "therapy", this all seems like it hinges on 4 years with this woman "shrinking" him.
What chills me no end is that all the happy times together are gone from his memory.
Instead I'm subjected to nonstop mental torture no matter how hard I try to cook, clean, and be super nice.

Should I be scared? Now that I found that obit, things make more sense. He acts brainwashed. Did I also mention my husband is very handsome and the shrink acts flirty with him even though she's 25 years older than him?
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You should probably going outside a little more often & LARP a little less on random internet forums.
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That's the thing, it's not. But I would think it was if I read too.
Mods can see from my IP though.
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Husband had some normal depression after job loss. My Mother in law has always been very controlling. She is a former dean of school near DC.
She inserted herself and made my husband go see a therapist she selected.
This was 4 years ago.
He went from being a good and strong man to a very scary and angry person since seeing this therapist.
I researched her and begged him to stop seeing her as she is an atheist humanist liberal.
He said since his Mother was paying for the therapist he might as well keep going.
Anyway, I looked her up again recently since he has gotten worse and now wants a divorce and says he hates me (I am a loving trad wife so this hurts a lot)
Her father's obituary is now first result.
Her father was a founder of the CIA's shrink unit.
Apparently shrink under 5 presidents.
Surreal.
His last work on this Earth was to write an anti Trump book.
I told my husband this and he's not remotely concerned.
Anyone reading this can figure out who I'm talking about and his shrink daughter with a bit of sleuthing.
I now am faced with a husband who acts hell bent on ruining me and since I knew him for years BEFORE "therapy", this all seems like it hinges on 4 years with this woman "shrinking" him.
What chills me no end is that all the happy times together are gone from his memory.
Instead I'm subjected to nonstop mental torture no matter how hard I try to cook, clean, and be super nice.

Should I be scared? Now that I found that obit, things make more sense. He acts brainwashed. Did I also mention my husband is very handsome and the shrink acts flirty with him even though she's 25 years older than him?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33415010




OP, that's a tough situation. Is he acting violent towards you? Does he have access to weapons? Are there kids in the home? Don't answer these questions on this forum, it's not our business. But I would say that if any of these questions are yes, I would first focus on personal safety and safety of the kids.

Second, your husband sounds like he's still got some mama issues. She seems to wants to be the woman in his life.

I don't know OP, that's not an everyday occurrence. Like I said, focus on personal safety first, the focus on finding a way to pull him away from both the therapist AND the mom.

You could also insist to talk to the therapists or go with him to a session.

Good luck OP

hf
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Thanks. Wanted kids, but he has been one of those waiting for the perfect time types. Very frustating. But perhaps this was blessing from God as I am so happy I don't have to worry about little ones right now.

No guns right now, but he likes them a lot.

He has always "joked" about his Mother being controlling. But because she gives money (buy love) he defends her.

I appreciate your input.
Even though there are cloak and dagger elements to this situation, I am also aware that it simply may be a case that my husband is influenced easily by older women and his shrink is a typical DC harpie.
Who knows.
All I know is I have the gift of fear right now and believe that seeing that obit is a good sign to leave the area.
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I had a very bad experience with a therapist. Saw her for 7 years & it wasn't until I ended up broken that I realized how destructive she was I thought it was just me but bad therapy is the norm, I've learned.

My guess is she thought he was inferior due to not having a job and his mom paying for therapy. He likely confessed some deepest darkest opinions to her. In her mind this excused her toxic therapy.

Therapists are so status obsessed that they simply are incapable of helping people. And most of all COMPETITIVE. Competitive, one upping control freaks were never made for caring for vulnerable people.

Its often sexual without actual sex, doesn't matter if therapist is too old or too young. Their clients often fall in love with them & they encourage it.

Theres another political spectrum that is very real and runs very deep.
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word of suggestion.

don't announce anything you intend to do like move out of the house.

just up and do it.

right now silence on your part could save your life
and yes, you should be scared. I don't know how you sleep at night.

this shrink could literally light your hubby up on a moments notice.

just pack your bags and go.....very quietly.

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I had a very bad experience with a therapist. Saw her for 7 years & it wasn't until I ended up broken that I realized how destructive she was I thought it was just me but bad therapy is the norm, I've learned.

My guess is she thought he was inferior due to not having a job and his mom paying for therapy. He likely confessed some deepest darkest opinions to her. In her mind this excused her toxic therapy.

Therapists are so status obsessed that they simply are incapable of helping people. And most of all COMPETITIVE. Competitive, one upping control freaks were never made for caring for vulnerable people.

Its often sexual without actual sex, doesn't matter if therapist is too old or too young. Their clients often fall in love with them & they encourage it.

Theres another political spectrum that is very real and runs very deep.
 Quoting: LuckyLou


Especially if they are "private therapist".

Control is what they love. Making you do what they say to do and seeing the outcome of how well they manipulated you and made you do their bidding is a powerful aphrodisiac.
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Ex was going to one behind my back totally changed, lying all the time...
Later found out she was being prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Yeah that profession is just plain evil.

Sadly they've got him now op.

Too bad he's a mama's boy just ruined him.
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Sounds like she has him eating out of her ass.

Quite literally.

Dump him.
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I had a very bad experience with a therapist. Saw her for 7 years & it wasn't until I ended up broken that I realized how destructive she was I thought it was just me but bad therapy is the norm, I've learned.

My guess is she thought he was inferior due to not having a job and his mom paying for therapy. He likely confessed some deepest darkest opinions to her. In her mind this excused her toxic therapy.

Therapists are so status obsessed that they simply are incapable of helping people. And most of all COMPETITIVE. Competitive, one upping control freaks were never made for caring for vulnerable people.

Its often sexual without actual sex, doesn't matter if therapist is too old or too young. Their clients often fall in love with them & they encourage it.

Theres another political spectrum that is very real and runs very deep.
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I'm sorry that you went though that. :(

I've only heard of one good experience with therapy. After a health issue from a drug with a black box warning, a friend started with a clear plan action and a set end time (6-9 months later) Therapy worked and she moved on with her life.

But before my husband, I know of 2 other people who ended up much worse after 4 or more years of it.

Hope things are back on track for you.

"Sexual without the actual sex." Exactly, perfect way to put it.
I guess I see this therapist as having superpowers now with new revelation about her Father.

Before I just saw her as a hack. (bad yelp reviews yet somehow she's always booked)

In some ways the whole thing is much more toxic because of her social distancing rules.

Husband can't see her in person and forbids me to be remotely near his home office when talking to her.
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Ex was going to one behind my back totally changed, lying all the time...
Later found out she was being prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Yeah that profession is just plain evil.

Sadly they've got him now op.

Too bad he's a mama's boy just ruined him.
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Was she BPD? Therapists/Shrinks turn women like that into total monsters from what I've heard. Sorry.
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"And husband brother is besties with J. Alefantis."

The fact that he didn't care if his brother was best friends with Alefantis is scary. Didn't you read the Wikileaks emails? Alefantis had all these friends that were in to pedophilia.

I doubt if you can find them now, since most things online have been scrubbed.

There's still some threads here about the man.
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word of suggestion.

don't announce anything you intend to do like move out of the house.

just up and do it.

right now silence on your part could save your life
and yes, you should be scared. I don't know how you sleep at night.

this shrink could literally light your hubby up on a moments notice.

just pack your bags and go.....very quietly.
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Correct, I should have been quietly saving up to leave.

Instead I was praying and hoping for the best because I really loved him and appreciated him so much.
But that person is nowhere to be seen.
And as I stated before, he twists all our good memories and acts like I'm worthless.

Afraid I already alluded to possibly leaving when he said his shrink made him see that perhaps he should get "someone on his level" who is more educated and career oriented.

I piped up that she shouldn't tell him how to think and that he knew I wasn't a career gal like his Mom long ago.

I am pretty bright even though I didn't go to college.

I like being a housewife and doing web design on the side.

His words stung and were unfair, so I asked him if I should just leave soon.

That was a few weeks ago and yes he's gotten much worse screaming. And it's quite clever and diabolic I dare say.

It's just creepy that his shrink has such a pedigree.
I'm tempted to post the name of her dad and see what I'm missinf from the rabbithole.

But I am thinking I will just come back to this thread AFTER i'm somewhere far awya that's safe, peaceful, and have more perspective.

Thanks for your input.
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The fact you're posting here, demands hes most sane
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The fact you're posting here, demands hes most sane
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That's not proper enlish.
This is one of the few sites online where I knew I could get actual helpful replies.
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Sounds like she has him eating out of her ass.

Quite literally.

Dump him.
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He hasn't see her in person in a year because of Pandemic.
Instead it's all therapy by phone call.
I just found a new connection she has. She belongs to same shrink group as a shrink in the news for training therapists to teach that whites are all parasites.





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