FAA refuses FOIA request for pre-9/11 ID confirming aircraft serial number data Of 9/11 planes | |
Cholem Yesodeth
(OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a photo of the plane that was supposed to have been Flight 175: [link to www.airliners.net] |
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Cholem Yesodeth
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Cholem Yesodeth
(OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 08:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something is odd with the serial numbers of Flight 93 and Flight 175. The serial numbers of the ORIGINAL planes are SAME serial numbers of the planes that ARE STILL FLYING. 591UA and 612UA. Though N-number can be transferred, the manufacturer serial number CANNOT be transferred. According to some spot-witnesses, Boeing 757-222 SERIAL NUMBER 28142 is flying around Chicago under the alias 594UA. According to the FAA, N594UA Boeing 757-222 flies now with a DIFFERENT serial number, namely 28145. Something is fishy. |
Cholem Yesodeth
(OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 08:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to z10.invisionfree.com] Scroll down to the 'Lucas' post. So here is proof that it WAS a 767 that hit the tower (ignoring the unlikely possibility of the debris being planted). However, this is not proof that it was Flight 175. Which is hardly surprising. The perps would not switch to a different type of plane. Too risky. |
Cholem Yesodeth
(OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Credit to Apathoid on the JREF forum for identifying in May this year the bracket comes from a Boeing 767. [link to forums.randi.org] |
G. House
User ID: 347566 United States 12/30/2007 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Exemption 7e would fit. If the aircraft were constantly on the flight screens which were recorded, it doesn't really make any difference if the transponder was shut off or not. Unless you're suggesting they now have the technology to teleport aircraft and make substitutions at will. If they had a positive ID on a few major parts I doubt that they would even bother to catalog every ID plate found. Consider this scenario. The aircraft that hit the towers were indeed the aircraft we were told that hit the towers. They were the only ones not accounted for and were seen continuously on radar screens and recorded. There really wasn't a question of their identity. Except of course in the minds of a few loons and wackos. Requesting the information from the FAA is the wrong track in the first place. The FBI took over the investigation. Another thing you should do is try to get the smae information on another crash deemed a crime (Say the Lockerbie crash) and see if the information is available. "Everybody lies." |
Cholem Yesodeth
(OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Exemption 7e would fit. Quoting: G. HouseIf the aircraft were constantly on the flight screens which were recorded, it doesn't really make any difference if the transponder was shut off or not. Unless you're suggesting they now have the technology to teleport aircraft and make substitutions at will. If they had a positive ID on a few major parts I doubt that they would even bother to catalog every ID plate found. Consider this scenario. The aircraft that hit the towers were indeed the aircraft we were told that hit the towers. They were the only ones not accounted for and were seen continuously on radar screens and recorded. There really wasn't a question of their identity. Except of course in the minds of a few loons and wackos. You beg a lot of questions: 1. We don't know whether the aircraft were constantly on screen. I read somewhere that the tape recordings were destroyed. Why was that done unless to cover something suspicious? 2. If they DO have a positive ID on a few major parts, why then is the FAA not releasing the info under a FOIA request. You got to admit that looks like they DON'T have a positive ID but don't want to give information away that would expose the hole in the government story. 3. We don't know whether there was or wasn't any question of their identity. If similar planes were substituted in order to create a bigger bang, plausibly explaining why the towers fell down, even the flight controllers might not have detected it - especially given all the confusion between all the various war games scenarios being played that day, one of which turned into the real thing. So you assume what still needs to be confirmed. That is not scientific, given all the other anomalies and conflicts between what happened and what the government says happened. |
Cholem Yesodeth
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Cholem Yesodeth
(OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes denying access is their last measure to prevent truth coming out ... Quoting: dF 300730How bold from them gross criminals! All planes allegedly destroyed on 911 flew on for years after! Your sarcasm contains no strong argument. Firstly, no 9/11 investigator has claimed ALL the 9/11 planes were flying for years afterwards. This is pure hyperbole on your part. Secondly, of course denying verification HAS to be part of the measure to stop the truth coming out. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 225509 United States 12/30/2007 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | However, the FBI and now the FAA, has refused to reveal aircraft component serial number data in their possessions, that would confirm the alleged federal registry identifications of the commercial civil aircraft said to have been used to carry out the 9/11 attacks. BINGO!!! This is the way to go -- we have found their weak link. This needs to be pursued with all legal and financial resources until these numbers are revealed. |
dF User ID: 300730 United States 12/30/2007 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No sarcasm intented. It was Redheaded Stepchild who had posted it, can't recall the thread at the moment. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62341 Spain 12/30/2007 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | op check this out Thread: THE ISRAELI MILITARY AIRCRAFT COMPANY TIED TO 911 |
Cholem Yesodeth
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Cholem Yesodeth
(OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62341 Thanks. Very interesting information. Of course, people like G. House can only throw out the usual accusations of anti-Semitism as a pathetic attempt to discredit the implications of such information. Their knee-jerk reactions are so transparent, they are laughable. They cannot hide the fact that there WAS at least the possibility (and no one claims more than that) that this Israeli company helped to modify some of the 9/11 planes. If such people don't think 9/11 was carried out partly in the interests of Israel, they live in la-la land. |
SunDawnn
User ID: 271268 United States 12/30/2007 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every single question.... regarding the events of 911..... produces MORE questions than answers! The only thing we can all agree on is, the weather that day! 11 Sep 2001 New York City, New York United Air Lines Boeing B-767-222 N612UA 65/65 11 Sep 2001 New York City, New York American Airlines Boeing 767-223ER N334AA 92/92 11 Sep 2001 Arlington, Virginia. American Airlines Boeing B-757-223 N644AA 64/64 11 Sep 2001 Shanksville, Pennsylvania United Air Lines Boeing B-757-222 N591UA 44/44 It shows the four flights of 9/11, including tail numbers and crash information on the links. The information below is copied directly from the Federal Aviation Administration's N-number registry < [link to registry.faa.gov] The first plane listed is American Airlines Flight 11, tail number N334AA, which crashed into the WTC North Tower. Note reason for cancellation, and cancel date. FAA Registry N-Number Inquiry Results --------------------------------- N334AA is Deregistered Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1 Aircraft Description Serial Number 22332 Type Registration Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date 01/06/2000 Model 767-223 Mode S Code 50722254 Year Manufacturer 1987 Cancel Date 01/14/2002 Reason for Cancellation Destroyed Exported To Next is American Flight 77, tail number N644AA, which hit the Pentagon. Please note the same details, reason for cancellation and cancellation date. FAA Registry N-Number Inquiry Results --------------------------------- N644AA is Deregistered Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1 Aircraft Description Serial Number 24602 Type Registration Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date 05/08/1991 Model 757-223 Mode S Code 52072030 Year Manufacturer 1991 Cancel Date 01/14/2002 Reason for Cancellation Destroyed Exported To Next is United Flight 175, tail number N612UA, which hit the South Tower of the WTC. Please note the same details. Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1 Aircraft Description Serial Number 21873 Type Registration Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date 01/18/1984 Model 767-222 Mode S Code 51773757 Year Manufacturer 1983 Cancel Date 09/28/2005 Reason for Cancellation Cancelled Exported To Hmmm. What? Cancelled registration on 9/28/05? Not destroyed and deregisterd in early 2002? What about the last flight, United Flight 93, tail number N591UA, the one that allegedly crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1 Aircraft Description Serial Number 28142 Type Registration Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date 07/01/1996 Model 757-222 Mode S Code 51721341 Year Manufacturer 1996 Cancel Date 09/28/2005 Reason for Cancellation Cancelled Exported To Huh? Cancelled? On the same date in 2005? Not destroyed and cancelled in early 2002? How can American Airlines flights show the planes destroyed and the registration cancelled, while both United flights show the planes as simply being cancelled without explanation 4 years after they allegedly were destroyed? Why? What the heck is going on here? These are public records, accessible by everyone until their purge date is reached. That is Nov. 11, 2006 for both United flights. There is no purge date listed for the two American Airlines flights. Why would a company keep two aircraft that had been destroyed on its active lineup for four years, and then simply list the registration as "Cancelled"? Even the most ardent coincidence theorist is going to have to think hard to come up with some rationale for this one. Please pass this information on to anyone that you think might be able to use it. Facilitating The Flow |
Cholem Yesodeth
(OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted that same piece a year and a half ago! Thread: Very strange 9/11 aircraft registrations |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 142537 United States 12/30/2007 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | However, the FBI and now the FAA, has refused to reveal aircraft component serial number data in their possessions, that would confirm the alleged federal registry identifications of the commercial civil aircraft said to have been used to carry out the 9/11 attacks. BINGO!!! This is the way to go -- we have found their weak link. This needs to be pursued with all legal and financial resources until these numbers are revealed. ATTACK!!!! ATTACK!!! ATTACK!!!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 142537 United States 12/30/2007 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | However, the FBI and now the FAA, has refused to reveal aircraft component serial number data in their possessions, that would confirm the alleged federal registry identifications of the commercial civil aircraft said to have been used to carry out the 9/11 attacks. BINGO!!! This is the way to go -- we have found their weak link. This needs to be pursued with all legal and financial resources until these numbers are revealed. ATTACK!!!! ATTACK!!!!!! ATTACK!!!!!! |
Cholem Yesodeth
(OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mohammed Atta: "His attention span was zero." Khalid Al-Mihdhar: "We didn't kick him out, but he didn't live up to our standards." Marwan Al-Shehhi: “He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.” Salem Al-Hazmi: "We advised him to quit after two lessons.” Hani Hanjour: "His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I’m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.” Anyone still think these bozos managed what professional airline pilots have come out and said would have been impossible even for them? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 347657 United States 12/30/2007 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Exemption 7e would fit. Quoting: G. HouseThere really wasn't a question of their identity. Except of course in the minds of a few loons and wackos. Anybody who goes to: [link to patriotsquestion911.com] And then reads the garbage you post will see that you are a shill. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 347681 United States 12/30/2007 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You beg a lot of questions: Quoting: Cholem Yesodeth1. We don't know whether the aircraft were constantly on screen. I read somewhere that the tape recordings were destroyed. Why was that done unless to cover something suspicious? An airliner is a pretty big target for that type of radar. Unless it landed it would be on the screeens which were recorded and examined and the flights plotted. 2. If they DO have a positive ID on a few major parts, why then is the FAA not releasing the info under a FOIA request. You got to admit that looks like they DON'T have a positive ID but don't want to give information away that would expose the hole in the government story. Quoting: Cholem YesodethRead exemption 7e. I did mention it for a reason. The FBI is the organization that would be the target of an FOIA request, not the FAA. If the FBI has perview why are you sending an FOIA to the FAA? Do you get it? I don't see that they sent the FBI a FOIA request. Just the FAA. 3. We don't know whether there was or wasn't any question of their identity. If similar planes were substituted in order to create a bigger bang, plausibly explaining why the towers fell down, even the flight controllers might not have detected it - especially given all the confusion between all the various war games scenarios being played that day, one of which turned into the real thing. Quoting: Cholem YesodethSo you assume what still needs to be confirmed. That is not scientific, given all the other anomalies and conflicts between what happened and what the government says happened. The flights were tracked from start to finish. The radar traces were recorded. There really wasn't any question in the identity of the planes, except for baseless speculation and specious argument by conspiracy theorists. |
G. House
User ID: 347681 United States 12/30/2007 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Post above was mine So you assume what still needs to be confirmed. That is not scientific, given all the other anomalies and conflicts between what happened and what the government says happened. Quoting: Cholem YesodethAssume? The radar traces were not assumed. Radar traces are scientific. But I see the point seems to be that you won't accept that the radar traces were truthfull? Or the people that investigated it were truthfull? If that is the case you will never believe anything not presented by YOUR side. "Everybody lies." |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 346434 United Kingdom 12/30/2007 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh yes, there was plenty of confusion about the identity of some of the planes. For example, the United Airlines spokesperson was reported very early one in the day to have said that Flight 93 was believed to have landed at Cleveland Airport, and this was reported by a local TV station (the report took five years to be changed in its archives!). This belief was only corrected when reports of it having crashed in Pennsylvania started to appear. You obviously have done no study of the events of the day, having accepted what was reported in the media. The links at the website below reveal serious doubts about whether at least one or two of the planes even existed, let alone crashed: [link to 911search.bravehost.com] |