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A recent interesting post on 911blogger.com:

A Freedom of Information Act request of the Federal Aviation Administration, seeking the last known serial number data of aircraft components contained by the aircraft used to carry out the 9/11 attacks, that are known to have been collected by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and National Transportation Safety Board from all 3 9/11 plane crash scenes, has been denied.

Refusal to release this footnote data (that is crucial to confirming the U.S. government's positions regarding the federal registry identifications of the civil aircraft used during the 9/11 attacks) was not per any established FAA information request exemptions, normally cited by federal agencies that deny FOIA requests:

[link to www.faa.gov]

The FAA along with the FBI, have now declared that 9/11 aircraft component serial number data that would confirm the publically known opinions regarding the 9/11 planes, provided by the FAA, FBI and the National Transportation Safety Board, is exempt from public disclosure.

The FBI's refusal to release the serial number data contained by aircraft components collected from the 9/11 plane crash scenes has resulted in a civil lawsuit filed in federal court, seeking to obtain this information:

[link to i224.photobucket.com]

Per U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, all federally registered civil aircraft are to contain uniquely numbered components:

[link to ecfr.gpoaccess.gov]

The cited 11/26/2007 FAA FOIA request specifically requested the following:

"That which reveals or indicates the unique identifying information (i.e.: serial numbers, etc.), of the Flight Data Recorders (FDR's) and Cockpit Voice Recorders (CVR's) that were last contained within the following deregistered aircraft, used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."

[link to img247.imageshack.us]

[link to img167.imageshack.us]

The cited 12/4/2007 FAA FOIA request specifically requested the following:

"Documentation that reveals any unique identifying information (serial numbers, etc.), of the engines, landing gear or other components that may be deemed relevant."

[link to img247.imageshack.us]

[link to img247.imageshack.us]

The federal government has released an abundance of data regarding the planes used to carry out the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks:

- All airline flight numbers.
- All alleged FAA aircraft registry data.
- All air traffic control audio recordings between ATC and said flights.
- Aircraft flight path study data for 3 of the 4 said flights that day.
- Aircraft departure times and departure locations.
- Crash times.
- Total numbers and identities of passengers who perished.
- The alleged identities of those accused of hijacking each aircraft.

However, the FBI and now the FAA, has refused to reveal aircraft component serial number data in their possessions, that would confirm the alleged federal registry identifications of the commercial civil aircraft said to have been used to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

By document labeled "Remarks of Carol Carmody Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board Leadership in Times of Crisis Seminar", it is indicated that the director of the FBI requested that the NTSB "help identify aircraft parts" belonging to the said aircraft.

[link to www.ntsb.gov]

By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the NTSB assisted the FBI with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft.

[link to www.ntsb.gov]

A 12/16/2007 public correspondence e-mail inquiry of the NTSB posed the following question:

"Will the NTSB refer to recovered aircraft component serial number data, to determine the positive ID of an aircraft following a mishap, in the absence of other identifying data?"

The following e-mail response was provided by a Susan Stevenson of the NTSB on 12/26/2007:

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

The above cited method of identification was apparently required to obtain the positive identifications of American Airlines flight 11 and United Airlines flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center towers.

By FAA documents identified as "Summary of Air Traffic Hijack Events", pages 4 and 13, it is indicated that American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA) and United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA) were not transmitting proper transponder identification data at the time of their respective destructions and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent or erroneous data.

[link to www.gwu.edu]

By documents labeled "NOTES TO CHAPTER 1", page 456, of the "Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" (2004), it is indicated that "the CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found" and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent data.

[link to govinfo.library.unt.edu]
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[link to www.911blogger.com]

It does not require a genius to conclude from this blatant act of obstruction that the FAA cannot provide serial numbers of the engine parts retrieved from the WTC after Flights 17 & 175 hit the WTC towers because (ahhem) it KNOWS that these numbers do not match those of the engines of the two commercial planes. Why don't they match? Why, because other planes fitted with remote-control technology took their place mid-flight. Can't trust untrained, coke-taking playboys who could not fly a kite to manoeuvre a 300+mph jet plane into a skyscraper, now, can we?
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Re: FAA refuses FOIA request for pre-9/11 ID confirming aircraft serial number data Of 9/11 planes
Here's a photo of the plane that was supposed to have been Flight 175:
[link to www.airliners.net]
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Hummm . . . This could go somewhere.
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With luck, yes. The refusal of the request is being appealed. Hopefully, the judge will decide the FAA has no grounds for refusal.
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Something is odd with the serial numbers of Flight 93 and Flight 175.
The serial numbers of the ORIGINAL planes are SAME serial numbers of the planes that ARE STILL FLYING. 591UA and 612UA.

Though N-number can be transferred, the manufacturer serial number CANNOT be transferred.

According to some spot-witnesses, Boeing 757-222 SERIAL NUMBER 28142 is flying around Chicago under the alias 594UA.

According to the FAA, N594UA Boeing 757-222 flies now with a DIFFERENT serial number, namely 28145.

Something is fishy.
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I have discovered that the serial number tag DID come from a Boeing 767. Here's the proof:
[link to z10.invisionfree.com]
Scroll down to the 'Lucas' post.
So here is proof that it WAS a 767 that hit the tower (ignoring the unlikely possibility of the debris being planted). However, this is not proof that it was Flight 175. Which is hardly surprising. The perps would not switch to a different type of plane. Too risky.
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Credit to Apathoid on the JREF forum for identifying in May this year the bracket comes from a Boeing 767.
[link to forums.randi.org]
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Exemption 7e would fit.

If the aircraft were constantly on the flight screens which were recorded, it doesn't really make any difference if the transponder was shut off or not. Unless you're suggesting they now have the technology to teleport aircraft and make substitutions at will.

If they had a positive ID on a few major parts I doubt that they would even bother to catalog every ID plate found.

Consider this scenario. The aircraft that hit the towers were indeed the aircraft we were told that hit the towers. They were the only ones not accounted for and were seen continuously on radar screens and recorded. There really wasn't a question of their identity. Except of course in the minds of a few loons and wackos.

Requesting the information from the FAA is the wrong track in the first place. The FBI took over the investigation.

Another thing you should do is try to get the smae information on another crash deemed a crime (Say the Lockerbie crash) and see if the information is available.
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Exemption 7e would fit.

If the aircraft were constantly on the flight screens which were recorded, it doesn't really make any difference if the transponder was shut off or not. Unless you're suggesting they now have the technology to teleport aircraft and make substitutions at will.

If they had a positive ID on a few major parts I doubt that they would even bother to catalog every ID plate found.

Consider this scenario. The aircraft that hit the towers were indeed the aircraft we were told that hit the towers. They were the only ones not accounted for and were seen continuously on radar screens and recorded. There really wasn't a question of their identity. Except of course in the minds of a few loons and wackos.
 Quoting: G. House

You beg a lot of questions:
1. We don't know whether the aircraft were constantly on screen. I read somewhere that the tape recordings were destroyed. Why was that done unless to cover something suspicious?
2. If they DO have a positive ID on a few major parts, why then is the FAA not releasing the info under a FOIA request. You got to admit that looks like they DON'T have a positive ID but don't want to give information away that would expose the hole in the government story.
3. We don't know whether there was or wasn't any question of their identity. If similar planes were substituted in order to create a bigger bang, plausibly explaining why the towers fell down, even the flight controllers might not have detected it - especially given all the confusion between all the various war games scenarios being played that day, one of which turned into the real thing.

So you assume what still needs to be confirmed. That is not scientific, given all the other anomalies and conflicts between what happened and what the government says happened.
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And, as far as I am concerned, it is only fruit cakes and wackos who still believe in the government fairy tale.
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Yes denying access is their last measure to prevent truth coming out ...

How bold from them gross criminals!

All planes allegedly destroyed on 911 flew on for years after!
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G. House:Can you identify the type and serial number of the plane that was flown into WTC #7 ? hiding hiding
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Yes denying access is their last measure to prevent truth coming out ...

How bold from them gross criminals!

All planes allegedly destroyed on 911 flew on for years after!
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Your sarcasm contains no strong argument. Firstly, no 9/11 investigator has claimed ALL the 9/11 planes were flying for years afterwards. This is pure hyperbole on your part. Secondly, of course denying verification HAS to be part of the measure to stop the truth coming out.
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ahhh

However, the FBI and now the FAA, has refused to reveal aircraft component serial number data in their possessions, that would confirm the alleged federal registry identifications of the commercial civil aircraft said to have been used to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

ahhh

BINGO!!! This is the way to go -- we have found their weak link. This needs to be pursued with all legal and financial resources until these numbers are revealed.
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I was being serious, I saw an article where they investigated into the registering and bureau numbers and as far I can remember ALL planes mysteriously were still flying after, it was quite puzzling.

No sarcasm intented.

It was Redheaded Stepchild who had posted it, can't recall the thread at the moment.
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op check this out
Thread: THE ISRAELI MILITARY AIRCRAFT COMPANY TIED TO 911
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Yes, especially the Pentagon, which the evidence contradicting the official identity of the object that crashed into it is the strongest.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62341

Thanks. Very interesting information. Of course, people like G. House can only throw out the usual accusations of anti-Semitism as a pathetic attempt to discredit the implications of such information. Their knee-jerk reactions are so transparent, they are laughable. They cannot hide the fact that there WAS at least the possibility (and no one claims more than that) that this Israeli company helped to modify some of the 9/11 planes. If such people don't think 9/11 was carried out partly in the interests of Israel, they live in la-la land.
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Every single question.... regarding the events of 911..... produces MORE questions than answers!

The only thing we can all agree on is, the weather that day!





11 Sep 2001 New York City, New York

United Air Lines
Boeing B-767-222
N612UA 65/65
11 Sep 2001 New York City, New York

American Airlines
Boeing 767-223ER
N334AA 92/92
11 Sep 2001 Arlington, Virginia.

American Airlines
Boeing B-757-223
N644AA 64/64
11 Sep 2001 Shanksville, Pennsylvania

United Air Lines
Boeing B-757-222
N591UA 44/44

It shows the four flights of 9/11, including tail numbers and crash information on the links. The information below is copied directly from the Federal Aviation Administration's N-number registry < [link to registry.faa.gov]

The first plane listed is American Airlines Flight 11, tail number N334AA,
which crashed into the WTC North Tower. Note reason for cancellation, and
cancel date.

FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results

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N334AA is Deregistered

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 22332 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
01/06/2000 Model 767-223 Mode S Code 50722254 Year
Manufacturer 1987 Cancel Date 01/14/2002 Reason for
Cancellation Destroyed Exported To

Next is American Flight 77, tail number N644AA, which hit the Pentagon.
Please note the same details, reason for cancellation and cancellation date.

FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results

---------------------------------

N644AA is Deregistered

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 24602 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
05/08/1991 Model 757-223 Mode S Code 52072030 Year
Manufacturer 1991 Cancel Date 01/14/2002 Reason for
Cancellation Destroyed Exported To

Next is United Flight 175, tail number N612UA, which hit the South Tower
of the WTC. Please note the same details.

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 21873 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
01/18/1984 Model 767-222 Mode S Code 51773757 Year
Manufacturer 1983 Cancel Date 09/28/2005 Reason for
Cancellation Cancelled Exported To

Hmmm. What? Cancelled registration on 9/28/05? Not destroyed and
deregisterd in early 2002? What about the last flight, United Flight 93,
tail number N591UA, the one that allegedly crashed near Shanksville,
Pennsylvania.

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 28142 Type Registration
Corporation Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date
07/01/1996 Model 757-222 Mode S Code 51721341 Year
Manufacturer 1996 Cancel Date 09/28/2005 Reason for
Cancellation Cancelled Exported To

Huh? Cancelled? On the same date in 2005? Not destroyed and cancelled
in early 2002?

How can American Airlines flights show the planes destroyed and the registration cancelled, while both United flights show the planes as simply being cancelled without explanation 4 years after they allegedly were destroyed? Why?

What the heck is going on here? These are public records, accessible by everyone until their purge date is reached. That is Nov. 11, 2006 for both United flights. There is no purge date listed for the two American Airlines flights.

Why would a company keep two aircraft that had been destroyed on its active lineup for four years, and then simply list the registration as "Cancelled"?
Even the most ardent coincidence theorist is going to have to think hard to come up with some rationale for this one.

Please pass this information on to anyone that you think might be able to use it.
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I posted that same piece a year and a half ago!
Thread: Very strange 9/11 aircraft registrations
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ahhh

However, the FBI and now the FAA, has refused to reveal aircraft component serial number data in their possessions, that would confirm the alleged federal registry identifications of the commercial civil aircraft said to have been used to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

ahhh

BINGO!!! This is the way to go -- we have found their weak link. This needs to be pursued with all legal and financial resources until these numbers are revealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 225509


ATTACK!!!! ATTACK!!! ATTACK!!!!!!
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ahhh

However, the FBI and now the FAA, has refused to reveal aircraft component serial number data in their possessions, that would confirm the alleged federal registry identifications of the commercial civil aircraft said to have been used to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

ahhh

BINGO!!! This is the way to go -- we have found their weak link. This needs to be pursued with all legal and financial resources until these numbers are revealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 225509


ATTACK!!!! ATTACK!!!!!! ATTACK!!!!!!
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Mohammed Atta: "His attention span was zero."

Khalid Al-Mihdhar: "We didn't kick him out, but he didn't live up to our standards."

Marwan Al-Shehhi: “He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.”

Salem Al-Hazmi: "We advised him to quit after two lessons.”

Hani Hanjour: "His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I’m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.”

Anyone still think these bozos managed what professional airline pilots have come out and said would have been impossible even for them?
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Why havent they pulled of another one? Because they know that the people now know who dunnit.
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I hope that you are right.....
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Exemption 7e would fit.
There really wasn't a question of their identity. Except of course in the minds of a few loons and wackos.
 Quoting: G. House


Anybody who goes to:

[link to patriotsquestion911.com]

And then reads the garbage you post will see that you are a shill.
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You beg a lot of questions:
1. We don't know whether the aircraft were constantly on screen. I read somewhere that the tape recordings were destroyed. Why was that done unless to cover something suspicious?
 Quoting: Cholem Yesodeth


An airliner is a pretty big target for that type of radar. Unless it landed it would be on the screeens which were recorded and examined and the flights plotted.


2. If they DO have a positive ID on a few major parts, why then is the FAA not releasing the info under a FOIA request. You got to admit that looks like they DON'T have a positive ID but don't want to give information away that would expose the hole in the government story.
 Quoting: Cholem Yesodeth


Read exemption 7e. I did mention it for a reason.

The FBI is the organization that would be the target of an FOIA request, not the FAA. If the FBI has perview why are you sending an FOIA to the FAA?

Do you get it?

I don't see that they sent the FBI a FOIA request. Just the FAA.


3. We don't know whether there was or wasn't any question of their identity. If similar planes were substituted in order to create a bigger bang, plausibly explaining why the towers fell down, even the flight controllers might not have detected it - especially given all the confusion between all the various war games scenarios being played that day, one of which turned into the real thing.

So you assume what still needs to be confirmed. That is not scientific, given all the other anomalies and conflicts between what happened and what the government says happened.
 Quoting: Cholem Yesodeth


The flights were tracked from start to finish. The radar traces were recorded. There really wasn't any question in the identity of the planes, except for baseless speculation and specious argument by conspiracy theorists.
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So you assume what still needs to be confirmed. That is not scientific, given all the other anomalies and conflicts between what happened and what the government says happened.
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Assume? The radar traces were not assumed. Radar traces are scientific.

But I see the point seems to be that you won't accept that the radar traces were truthfull? Or the people that investigated it were truthfull?

If that is the case you will never believe anything not presented by YOUR side.
"Everybody lies."
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Oh yes, there was plenty of confusion about the identity of some of the planes. For example, the United Airlines spokesperson was reported very early one in the day to have said that Flight 93 was believed to have landed at Cleveland Airport, and this was reported by a local TV station (the report took five years to be changed in its archives!). This belief was only corrected when reports of it having crashed in Pennsylvania started to appear. You obviously have done no study of the events of the day, having accepted what was reported in the media. The links at the website below reveal serious doubts about whether at least one or two of the planes even existed, let alone crashed:
[link to 911search.bravehost.com]





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