The Witch's Corner

I am unconvinced.

Now that you have my attention..
come share the Elderberry wine and I will
tell you a story about a Leprechaun that traveled
to the New Americas to hide his gold. The travels
he had and the final place where he decided his
gold was safe.


Last Edited by Elfsong on 05/26/2022 02:20 AM

Does that make her a Scanner?
(old 1980's movie)

I have a few suggestions...
and I am sure that it will get interesting.

Oh hallo.
Wine you say? Here, enjoy little cakes.
There are no dead wives in this story, are there?

*raises an eyebrow*

Hmm...

No.. actually, it concerns Native Americans and the
Great Tribal Nation of the Great Plains.
Back when the Buffalo were plenty and the different
tribes had a peace agreement with each other.
About how a group of 10 white people came from the North,
led by a small man of about 3 feet in height. They carried
three boxes... each with a different symbol. When the small
man sat in conference with the Shaman of the different Tribes,
an agreement was made. A troop of specially selected Warriors
led the troop of white men to the great mountains that separated
the land. We know them as the Rockies. There they helped
set up a special cave to contain the three boxes. On one condition,
the small man was to be sealed in with the boxes. It was
his job to protect them for centuries to come.

Elfsong, I want you to know that I LOVE your AV. I love those colors together.... and you've got really nice energy, too.


That is all!....

I've been getting lectured all morning on gun rights, the 2nd amendment and why 'people don't need guns' lol

Interesting conversations I've been having lately with people in the pagan community in the wake of the tragedy in Texas. It's about 50/50. About half say ban all the guns and the other half says no way.

Btw I'm a strong 2nd amendment supporter and I have guns.

Yes she does

lol great movie :D

Sister, we are literally in a war zone in this reality realm. It may have looked amenable years ago, but now it looks like the shit show it has always been....heh, and all the "true colors" are now showing.

If it's not a physical fight for some of us, it's ALWAYS a spiritual fight.

They're coming for our souls, and they'll never get my 38. Never!

My gawd, if they come after all the guns in the country, it will not end well, at all....for them.

I agree but I do believe they will come for the guns. I don't think it's going to go down like people think it is. but they will come for them and sadly most legal gun owners will give them up. I wish it weren't so but we're headed into some really dark times.

I'm fairly sure that's why I'm preparing to check out, ya know?....


I'm not actually a gun person, I didn't own one until March of 2020, and it's never even been loaded. I've shot weapons before, so I know I can do it....but I'm not happy I felt I HAD to get one.

If it is never fired, then I will be most happy. If I needed to have a gun, and didn't have one? Me knowing the country is going down the tubes? That things are getting critically dicey?....then I will have felt like the dumbest ass on the planet, without one.

Heh, ain't no way I'm being made an ass of....


And I'd most likely take myself out, before I'd shoot someone else....but that would be an in the moment thing to decide.

I thought long and hard about getting one. I've played through scenarios of what could happen in my head, while wielding one.

I'm going to hold my own until the wheels fall off lol

I've been around guns my whole life. Grew up with them. My dad insisted that all of us learn to hunt, fish, shoot etc.

In my family in Aus when we've discussed this (always after a new US shooting) we get to the point of saying; ok - but automatics?

If someone wants to kill someone, you don't need a gun but if access is limited to automatics and other weapons of war then far less damage is going to be achievable.

I understand there are rights within US law and I understand the whole 'but what about defending from a tyrannical government' and other such arguments making them potentially necessary.
So uhm, about that tyrannical government that might need overthrowing... ? Ya there yet guys? If it hasn't happened yet, I've got a feeling it's not gonna happen. That's not a call for open rebellion, just an observation.

An analogy I just pondered up may be applicable regarding patriots and these rights is something along the lines of someone that says they love their partner but yells, carries on and wants them to change.
They don't love the partner, she loves the idea of the partner matching what they want in her head, or thought the partner was.

"Haw haw fookin awzees giv day gunz, look dem nao"

How is USA more free from the government? Because you have that "I can overthrow them if I want" copey cope boom boom in the closet?

Anyway, I like the original intent behind the 2nd Amendment, it's dated as fuck though - no one's gonna overthrow shit, the past few years have shown this, it's just "loving the idea that you could".

It's almost like you need an incursion by outside forces on US territory to re-validate the necessity of every day citizens having access to weapons of war. Or something.

Last Edited by Tý_ on 05/26/2022 08:48 PM

This is another interesting point. It is FAR easier to turn a gun on yourself and successfully suicide than it is to cut wrists, hang self, etc.
"in the moment" - it's just a single finger doing the deed, other ways are far more "in your face".

I'm 99% sure that if I had a gun on premises at a few points in my life I'd have committed suicide, simply do to the ease at which it's doable with a gun.

Also, hi.

Here is the thing. Unless you're a born and bred American you really won't get it.

It is something most 'foreigners' are going to have a difficult time understanding. Our country was founded on the idea of fighting tyranny and using weapons to fight off government oppression. It's one of those things that is 'in the blood' so to speak.

One of our most basic rights written into the Constitution is the right to bear arms. The idea was that an armed populace could fend off government overreach.

Our founders viewed government as a necessary evil which must always be kept on a tight leash. You let the reins slip and it all goes to hell.

As for automatic weapons, the idea at the time the founders wrote this stuff, was to keep an equal balance between the power of the people and the power of the government. There were no automatic weapons at the time being used by the government so that argument is a non starter. Had the technology been available at the time the founders would have had every able bodied man strapping an Ar-15 if for no other reason than the fed had access to them at the time. Parity.

It's never been about being able to hunt animals lol

Human animals maybe :D

As for it being outdated? I would argue that it's more relevant now than ever before.

But I agree with the state of the technology available today, the window for change has passed.

Oh no, I get it. So does the literal entire world. It's not a new concept to have resisted a tyrant, kinda happened a few times before.

On a related note, did you know that most of the world doesn't seem American as some shining light of hope and freedom? Mostly people are like 'fucking crazy yanks killing each other and sometimes everyone else'. lol.

You disagreed with outdated but also agreed with the reason why I think it's outdated, though I didn't state that part clearly.

Regarding the arms available (so hairy) it's kinda retarded, when was the last time this right was used to resist tyranny? Shortly prior to writing it? :P
It's been a while.
"If ya can't behave, we'll have to take the toys away." lol.
Except in this case behaving is simply not mass killing each other.

Maybe you all need a government issued arsenal in a big fuck off safe that can't be opened (somehow) without some trusted authority pushing the "in case of rebellion" button and sending out the signal. ? :P

It's so fucky a situation because the right is valid, except it's literally never been exercised in the way intended - now more than ever you'd think it would have?
Killed the fuck outta some innocents a few times tho.

I gotta say this though and I know there will be people say otherwise and carry on about their urban warfare skillz n such, but... parity? Really? Let's discuss military fireteams with heavy weapons, indirect fire support, air support, armoured vehicles, drones, etc.

There is no parity, hasn't been for decades.
Militia needs to save up for a few A-10's perhaps ;P

Honestly - you've seen how your military wages war.



Got your sleeveless shirt tho, you can stand up to 'em! :P
(bare arms)

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20 million Americans bought guns last year. The year before the number was more....40,000,000+ guns in the last two years. That's one helluva number. Pfht, and that's only the legal purchases, and not what people already had.

We are armed to the teeth. I don't really see how they're going to take them away from us. They are f'n delusional.

This nation of people have been arming up in a frenzy, because we don't trust our gov't now....well, and because of all the whack jobs they've supported throughout the last 2-3 years.

Heh, and it's our Constitutional right to.....

Resisting tyranny is not a new thing. But you have to admit the American situation with our history is unique lol

And yes most of the world thinks we've lost our collective minds. Because we have. So has much of western civilization lol

The right to self defense against the common criminal has never been more relevant. Especially since we live in an age where everything has literally gone ass up and the victim is more penalized than the criminal.

Using the 2nd Amendment to fight off government tyranny is a noble goal but outdated. It would have worked had we not been so divided as a people. The collective would have stood a chance. The single individual has none. The parity as was intended has been lost for a long time.

You aren't going to single handedly fight off the wolf.

Every nation has a unique history, but do you mean America's war for independence or civil wars?

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There's about 70 wars of independence in this list.
A couple are still going on, a notable one is second from the bottom.


Here's a few civil wars.

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However, you now touch on something that is absolutely CORE to this topic: cultural identity.

We've discussed in private certain racial and cultural groups that have a history that they strongly identify with, despite the perpetuated tales being largely false. That if these groups were to have this identity stripped away there'd be chaos in their minds. I see a similar thing with the 2nd Amendment. It's absolutely core to the identity of so many United States citizens.
To strip it away is to strip the foundation of identity.

Regarding defense against criminals, well yeah - this is a problem. In an environment where there are lots of weapons, criminals will of course will use lots of weapons.

A criminal will always find a way to attempt their crime regardless of guns, swords, clubs, operating system or AI.

:P

Absolutely. So banning guns makes about as much sense as banning cars, banning hammers and plastic baseball bats lol

I think there is some truth to the 2nd amendment being a part of cultural identity but not much.

To get to the bottom of this you have to define what American culture is lol

i think MIKE MYERS IS A GLPER

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Here is the thing that most often gets overlooked. With the 2nd amendment there is a collective security in everyone all being on the same page. Believing in the same right and all having guns. The more people have firearms, the more secure the 'rights' become.

So in a sense, they don't have to take your guns. They just have to take everyone else's. Or the majority. If you are the only one left in your town with guns, your gun rights become less of a threat.

They aren't going to go after the guy with 900 rifles and a truck full of ammo. They are going go go after the low hanging fruit.

Like I said, eventually they will get the guns. But it won't be because some idiot politician starts yelling about gun restrictions.

Every time there is shooting, the politicians throw out the token words and token legislation of which nothing will come of. It's meaningless politics to score political points and also it helps to drive up gun sales. They may throw out token legislation which will be challenged for years in the courts and eventually forgotten.

Now the big guys, the ones who really run things, if they ever decide to take your guns from you, well you won't have them for very long. Its just that simple.

I hate that but it's just the way it is.

They will wait until there is a crisis. They will turn off the power, the water and cut off the food. they will use your own ideas and even your own children against you.

Yeah that's the argument, except no. It's about mitigating the damage that can be done.

A club, sword, pistol, tablet, a few PC's? They might get a few kills - but it's limited.

Assault rifles, grenades, F-35's, AWS bot farms? Mass casualty events are possible.

Also, yes I'm including those other things because fuck it, digital and psychological warfare is real and can do as much if not more damage when in the hands of radicalized/extremist fucktards.

"he haz big stik!"
"i haz biggerun stiks!"
"sttiiiiikkkks bbbruuuuuhh"

Point is, crime and murder is possible regardless of the tool.
Limiting damage is also possible via restriction of the tools available.

Yeah watched this last week, some great stuff in there.
Raised an eyebrow at a few things.