The Witch's Corner

Ya mean gunz n freedumb cultcha? ;)
Your freedom though of course, screw those other guys freedom. Only freedom if you can profit or harm 'enemies', right?

:D

Plz no democracy bombz.

Hold up; "but not much" ?
Uhhhhh... so why such push back?

"IT IS OUR RIGHT"
"OUR FOREFATHERS BRUH"

etc.

Last Edited by Tý_ on 05/26/2022 10:11 PM

So argumentative lol

Discussion, with points. :D

*poke poke*

https://imgur.com/76Fk73F

Well I've been shooting since I was a kid and somehow, people around me have managed to remain unkilled by guns lol

Anecdotal, global data reveals probrem.
:D

Yeah well not much I can do about global data lol

Except doing something, right? O ye occupant of mass shooting capital of the world (by a long way).

Pesky data, its racis!

*sips coffee*
*goes smoko*

Last Edited by Tý_ on 05/26/2022 10:31 PM

So when was the last time a mass shooter was seen making sure they were following all the gun laws? Or better yet, following any laws at all, before they decided to...I dont know.. say fuck all and go balls to the wall psycho...

I'll be waiting....

Oh and making things illegal doesnt prevent people from accessing them, it just prevents the government from tracking them.

And, if a person is going to commit a crime, they already intend to break the laws. That's the point. The laws only matter to the people who already intend to follow them.

You're right.
That's the point, if the weapons for such aren't available (restricting access) then it's not possible - laws or not.

Except yknow, there's a couple guns around so it's possible.

Laws won't immediately fix it because there will be mass caches of them still.

Yep, it will take time to properly restrict access. Even in countries with such laws, some weapons find their way in to the hands of those who would use them for nefarious purpose.

As long as they use weapons to fight wars, then those weapons will find a way into the wrong hands. The intent of the person matters just as much as the access to it.

And if laws and regulations will not affect the access to such things by those people willing to disobey the law as it is, then why have an establishment to govern a sovereign being to begin with? If laws are only followed by upright citizens, then why the need for them at all, those individuals would adhere to their own moral codes which is why they follow the laws to begin with, because those laws already fall in line with their morality. And if people are willing to follow immoral laws than why have laws again to begin with? Disarming civilians only allows for their to be tyrannical rule. Because it leaves the individual defenseless against another Nero or napolean or Hitler.

This will always be a debate. and it's not about needing to have guns, it's about the fact it's an inalienable right that shall not be infringed upon by a corrupt and tyrannical government hell bent on destroying the fabric of the very society that keeps it fed.

Like I've said, it's not a gun problem. It's a human heart problem. We just don't value anything anymore. Life has little meaning until after the fact. We're a society that has given up.

How did restricted access to weapons fare for the native Americans of america? Or for some of the germans in germany? Or Venezuela during their issues? Or cuba during Castro? How well did restricting access to self defense fare for the Chinese? How is it faring for them now?

Restrictions only restrict those willing to allow it. Unless you advocate for a minority report reality where demolition man is a documentary then certain rights and freedoms are inalienable and shall not be infringed for a specific and direct reason

In lighter news, I made chicken cacciatore. Grandmother's recipe. It was awesome :P

I understand all of this but I think your first point is incorrect.
If there are weapons of war in military compounds and that is the only place they exist, then how difficult is going to be for nefarious fucktards to acquire them?
You'd need some sort of inside black ops type team to acquire and distribute illegally.
Leaving the individual defenseless? You already are in more ways than just firearms.
As discussed with GW, no individual or even a large group has a chance against a modern military.
No amount of rifles in the hands of civilian population is going to ever defend against a military with heavy weapons, air craft, tanks, and everything else. There is no parity there, it's long since gone.

I fully support rights of the individual, but we can't remain delusional as to the reasons for retaining access to such weapons. It is an illusion that having some assault rifles maintains freedom. It's a nice illusion, but it is an illusion and a coping mechanism.

It becomes a little like the dumb brute that is losing an argument so they start yelling and carrying on, as though their loud voice improves their argument. Eventually leading to "fuck you I will fucking kill you" (can't win so they shut them up, like canceltards).

Might is right.
Might for right.

Basically what I've said from the beginning.

Of the same token; how well has retaining access to guns worked for Americans?
Aren't so many of you carrying on about the tyranny of this government, or that government. Shouting and stating things, meanwhile the laws are passed, the billions are funneled, rights are infringed upon, mandates passed, farmers paid to not grow food, food stocks dwindle, homeless are homeless, etc.

But you can resist the tyranny if you had the guns?

Sure you've got the right, but does it matter?
At one point does the principle become retarded because of the few?
That goes for multiple types of 'the few' btw.

Clowns in america, anyone? Creation of tal a bon and certain other entities given weapons by our own govt
Our own govt arming nazis, and knowingly arming terrorists by leaving our own fully operational equipment in Afghanistan...

Would a world with out guns be peaceful?

Has it been peaceful in the past?

Since both options have the same answer...

The real question is how do we soften the hearts of man to get him wanting to be peaceful with his fellow man?

Better than not.

Did you know that there are actually more murders done with knives or hammers in America than guns?

I get our point of view, I disagree but I understand where you are coming from.

A lot of Americans would rather die free and trying to defend themselves than live under a totalitarian boot for the rest of their lives. Or on their knees begging for mercy. Live free or die trying, as the saying goes.

And yes you are entirely right about the passivity of the people. The lack of parity is obvious. Most people know too that once that pandora box is opened... it's a game changer. And the majority of people with weapons dont really want to have to use them, they want to have the right to use them if they absolutely have to.

You get what I was touching on, lol.

It would be more peaceful, yeah. Entirely peaceful? Unlikely. Some folks just can't get past caveman tribal bullshit.

"How do we soften" ...
It starts with mutual respect of the individual (that sovereignty you mentioned).
I know there are libtard types that would get excited at that, but they're also massively guilty themselves of forcing (and manipulating) others.

If your view has merit it will stand on it's own, there should be no need to manipulate, coerce, groom, harass, develop, shape, etc. other people.

This shit really is everywhere. Two opposing forces can balance, historically though either one crushes the other or mutual destruction occurs. Like head on collision car accidents.

Sometimes makes me wanna bring balance to the force... but, y'know... :P

I'll say this too, who has to live on shitty government granted land and who has inalienable rights.... one gave up their guns the other stated shall not be infringed. And trust me, I know the irony is palpable.

That's the issue with the dichotomy of duality. Its ambiguous and always about to implode. The balance is hairs width on a double edged sword.

And
This is where being grey is helpful in my mind. Lol

I'll bring balance one way or the other.

Cant really help it. I was given karma as a namesake . I cant help it that my name is also bitch. Lol

I grew up shooting. Can still headshot a running rabbit.

The whole "prevent tyranny" "world police" "shining beacon" has honestly led America into the trap it's in.

"You start to believe your own bullshit"

That insistence their way is truly the best way, everyone wants to be them and everyone wants to live there.

For the first, just take your medical system. About the only modern country without public healthcare where having a baby can drive you to bankruptcy, let alone a freak accident where you're rushed to hospital that's out of coverage.

For the second, even Americans are aware of the troupe of the American tourist. Fat, impatient, belligerent and insists everyone should speak English and bow to them because...well, American (not all of yas are like that, but there's a reason it's a troupe)

And for the third..."look at all the people that want to migrate here!!" Yes... every modern country has people from third world wanting to move there... but then, a lot of people also move to other countries. "We're getting swarmed with illegals!" Makes for great political bs. Even Aus had its time with boat people and detention centres.

If anything the whole gun thing left it in a state of hubris. The whole "we can overthrow the government any time we want" just meant the can got kicked down the road until your own police forces are armed like a military occupation. Every American grows up knowing they saved the world in ww2 (Russia broke the nazis back), they have the free-est things (with the largest prisoner population) and are the richest country (with 30trillion debt) with the most open political system (where you choose between 2 people selected by them).

It's all a grand brainwashing operation similar to Rome - remarkable similar really - and is copying it almost step for step.

It's the glitz and glamour of Hollywood.
Looks amazing, it truly does...
Then you go to Hollywood itself...place is filthy with homelessness everywhere, every store is filled with tourist trap crap, and the place they held the Oscars is a giant cement cube... but they focus on the entrance with decorations put up. Course, those are points from an exchange there 20 years ago... I'm sure things have only gotten better since then...*cough*

You sure about better than not? Have these guns been used successfully in defense of rights against an oppressive government?

I didn't know about the knives/hammers, but it underlines the cultural issue of "stop fucking killing each other you retards" :P
But that happens in all crumbling empires as they fracture. ;D

"Live free or die trying, as the saying goes." - for sure, how many Americans consider themselves 'free' right now?
I don't consider myself 100% free as an Australian and I know for damn sure having a gun wouldn't help me be more free.
Having a gun wouldn't remove the vax laws, I also had no say in whether they should exist at all.
They prevent me from doing as I may though.

Aaaannnnyyyway. You're right regarding not wanting to use them - it won't be like other civil wars, not by a long way.
Even if half the military fought against government forces, what about the air? Who's doing traffic control for different factions, what about carriers and so many other things.

It all comes down to:
"Try not to be a cunt" - Jim Jeffries.

But people ARE cunts Veni, people ARE cunts.

Illusion and the cultural identity, yeah.
Good post highlighting some stuff.

Certainly not saying "hey we're better!" - not even about that, it's about "hey uh, y'know the emperor has no clothes on right? dude is butt fucking nekkid with his cock n balls out"

Oh my lol

Doesn't have to be in a state of near destruction at all times though. Instead of the 'balanced' duality of pulling on humanity in two different directions, we should be supporting humanity from both directions so as to elevate.

Two men pulling on the earth in struggle, or,
Two men lifting it higher than either could do alone?

Which is better?
Must we oppress others to benefit self?