The Witch's Corner

I don’t understand the whole manifesting thing

I know some people who are great , and very kind, and they totally believe in manifesting reality

Just like I asked about healing someone of a sickness earlier in this thread, wouldn’t manifesting reality be impeding on other souls free will?

Also what does energy have to do with manifesting ? My heart is like energy energy energy

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When I pray it’s for others

Isn’t manifesting what you desire ?

Forgive me if I’m wrong just trying to have a normal discussion

I don’t get to talk to a lot of people about any of my beliefs

Nah, I find it pathetic.

At it's core, your praying for others is the same as many systems. You're sending out these energy patterns.
Perhaps if I explain it like this:

When in prayer, do not ask or beg God for help, instead know that the universe (God) can work through you. Align yourself to the emotion (for simplicity consider that the energy type) that you want to send out, hold that, focus on the intent of the prayer. Know that God/Divine Creator/Source Origin/Universal frequencies can "listen" or "repeat" the energy signature, you have the spark within that is capable of seeding a new (or bolstering an existing) frequency.

Does that make sense?

While everyone speaks of “energy”, you’re referring more specifically to an energy of emotion.

This is new to me and I’ve been hoping to see an E-X-P-A-N-D-E-D discussion on it but so far I’m only seeing vague references to it.

If you’re more comfortable taking that discussion offline, I’m quite happy to do so. I post openly here for the benefit of those who are quietly following this thread (...and I know there are several watching with keen interest).

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Patience is a virtue Z ;)
Been busy today and most PC interaction was a few words or a song post.
Did you see this related interaction?

G-Dub, my dear...

You posted the following:





....Joe Nemo echoed that frustration with the following:





Your response to him indicated you interpreted his post was intended to antagonize or scoff at this discussion of energy.

Whereas, my interpretation of his post is that he is searching for understanding on this subject, but 99.9% of ALL discussions on the matter are devoid of real knowledge and understanding. It’s all talk talk talk talk talk talk, ad nauseum.

Perhaps he was stoned when he basically spammed the previous page of this thread, but I agree with his point.

So I’m petitioning on his behalf for your kind forgiveness of his approach as that of a drunken troll. He was, in essence, simply echoing your own previously stated frustration.

Oh, and besides... he DID post a mesmerizing video that I KNOW you very much enjoyed! I sure did. C’mon, now.... let’s watch her together... you know it makes you wet!




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Last Edited by Zovalex on 09/17/2021 06:51 AM

Indeed I did. I am paying very close attention to this topic.

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Cool.

I've actually given numerous real world examples in this thread, such as the discussion on crowds of people, the atmosphere created at sports games where no advantage other than crowd exists, music events, congregations in prayer, emotion being a trigger/reinforcement of an energetic state and so forth.

Part of the problem here may be that folks are wanting some in depth explanation of something that is actually very simple at it's core.

There are questions of proof, how should that be achieved when my body and it's energy are here - whereas you are where you are?
I'd love to have the money to scientifically investigate energetic states of mind and body from the perspective of the occult. This sort of thing has begun to be investigated in part, Buddhist monks in meditation have been monitored and results were observable.

[link to www.bbc.com (secure)]

You might find that link interesting.

"The extrinsic portion of the brain becomes active when individuals are focused on external tasks, like playing sports or pouring a cup of coffee.

The default network churns when people reflect on matters that involve themselves and their emotions.

But the networks are rarely fully active at the same time. And like a seesaw, when one rises, the other one dips down."

I've used the example of 'becoming one with the game', others have called this 'being in flow', a state where you are able to complete a task, often a monotonous or repetitive one with complete perfection, whilst thinking about something else or even carrying a conversation. A sort of meditative state. I believe this is a state where both of these networks are active at the same time, in fact the actual mechanics of whats going on with raising energy and sending it out may be the translation from one to the other, in to auric field and then from there our energy is 'picked up' by the universal frequencies, or inserted in to. That is assuming the frequency isn't so different as to be 'abrasive' - the stronger greater frequency will always dominate the lesser (although smaller ones can hide/piggy back on greater ones ;P).

Anyway I'm rambling and shooting from the hip as it pops up in my head.
There's some interesting info, going to make a coffee and look at the specific parts you want elaborated on.
It really is as simple as 'get in the zone'(appropriate to the action) though.

Can we discuss this “energy”?

What is it?
Good question, answer: Energy. lol. Annoying but true. When we speak of raising energy, it is our own energy and a sort of like attracts like, scenario. A gathering of a storm you could say. Perhaps it is nothing more than electricity of a certain frequency, perhaps something we cannot yet measure. Can you see the wind? No, you can see its effects though.
Light is worth considering as well.

Are there different forms of energy?
I believe there is energy with different frequency, as with electricity and/or light. Light is important, you'd be familiar with the concept of auras and chakras, different colours associated with different things. We know that light has different wavelengths, so the frequency of electricity, certain frequencies and wavelengths dissipate quickly or travel far. As it is with sound waves.

How is it raised and intensified?
I think you know by now that emotional state is the trigger that I personally am most familiar and comfortable with discussing.
So in raising; emotional triggers. However using various tools, music, candles, smells, etc. to reach a 'pure' state of that emotion is fairly standard, even if the practitioner doesn't understand they're doing that.
Intensifying; the same, over and over - holding it, working yourself in to a frenzy, letting the butthurt flow through you, letting joy or love fill you, letting it grow powerfully. This is where repeated mantras, motions, prayer beads, tantric sex, etc. comes in.

I'm sure anyone reading is familiar with moments where they were overwhelmed with a certain emotion, holding this emotion whilst also maintaining controlled focus of an intent is the goal.

Worth bringing up is poltergeist phenomena, this has been attributed to highly emotional people affecting their environment in uncontrolled manners.



Alright, there's that for now. Feel free to hone in on anything for clarification or more ripping information out of me. I forget things, prompting helps. If only I had an external drive, or satellite or thoughtform to hold some data... :P

A little off topic, regarding experimentation.

I'm quite interested in emotional and energetic states in regards to such science as the double-slit experiment and whether qubits in quantum computing can be affected by consciousness. That of course would mean directly affecting atomic level particles with our mind.

What is magick again? :)

Was trying to find something else, found this.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

That's that pinpoint focus state. Someone once brought up Asana of Presence to me. Same, same.

/me rests.

Last Edited by Tý_ on 09/17/2021 07:51 AM

This is useful. Getting closer to the target as it were, but I’m not clear on the emotion part. How does one “create” an emotion to match the desired outcome...?

What would a real world example look like?

Using the (prompts?) above, what would be the steps from A to Z to create a desired outcome of a thing?

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Again, I’m not getting the emotion aspect of this.

The science of the double slit experiment is merely passive observation. There is no emotion involved. Interest and fascination, yes, but emotion? What emotion?

I’m not understanding how/why you’re tying the two together.

Even if you help me to cognitively understand the connection, I fail to see the mechanics behind its actual application.

Perhaps I’m emotionally stunted. I’ve certainly been accused of it.

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Excellent link!

The explanations of Inhibitory Gnosis vs Ecstatic Gnosis under Chaos Magick is very helpful.

Seeing the distinction between the different Gnoses is helpful. I definitely connect with the Inhibitory approach, whereas yours appears to fall within the Ecstatic approach. Perhaps that is why I am having difficulty understanding.

That Wiki link is a valuable explanation, thank you.

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Last Edited by Zovalex on 09/17/2021 08:07 AM

Well, no guarantees of course.
It's a lot easier to get a leaf to the bottom of the hill if the river flows rapidly.

It's not a matter of creating an emotion, rather, bringing on an emotion. Letting the rivers of emotion within (that some people try to bottle up, bad idea imo) rise up, to become a torrent.

So you have the intent of protecting yourself.

1. Set intent in your mind 'I'm raising a shield against this threat', or whatever, it is better to simplify as much as possible so you can hold that intent easier. If you can reduce it to a single shape or word in your mind that truly represents and you recognize that it represents that intent, great.
We can get in to specific examples if you like.

2. Turn on your music that inspires that defensive spirit feeling, hold your items, light your candles, whatever lines up with that spirit feeling.

3. Here is where you are basically going in to a meditative state. Let that feeling of defiant defense rise up, at this point you don't need to have the intent focused on - you should be able to recall it at will from the no mind state whilst filled with that defensive spirit feeling.
Think on your shield, things bouncing off you, threats avoiding you, etc. All the while honing in on a purer refining and purifying your emotional state. Slowly start just focusing on the intent you have.

4. Reach maximum 'power level' if you like, a point where you're fully in that emotional state (defensive defiance in this case), hold it and focus on your intent and only your intent. Mantra/Sigil/Rune/Shape/Image/etc. represent this and should be the only thing spoken/only thing visualized or looked at.

5. Hold for as long as you can, you're just building a big charge related to it.

6. Some type of release to the universe mechanism, might be a timed gong noise or a candle burning out that signals you to visualize the sigil launching out to the universe, or an explosion of energy out from yourself. In this case; likely a big sexy shield growing and hardening around you.
This is basically the 'pull the trigger' moment, how it's done varies, but it's the point you release all that build up out, the intent and emotion perfectly aligned to the purpose.

Note: Best to have something set to prompt you to release or simply know that you're 'at maximum' and only hold it for so long. Becoming tired is going to be counterproductive as you'll lose focus and energy will wind down.




Alright, so. Perhaps not the manifestation example you wanted, but the principle is identical. This also leans toward the AO Spare method in early Chaos magick. I used the shield example as it's common to talk on that.

Edit: spirit = feeling. For clarity.
Edited further due to some fail in there. Stopping now, if something reads funny - ask for further clarity :P

Last Edited by Tý_ on 09/17/2021 08:28 AM

Emotional states and the affect on consciousness and the universal consciousness/global consciousness.

How does ones perception change in different conscious and emotional states? Does this change what we're seeing? Does that therefore change what happens to what is being observed?

etc.

eg. does someone in an ecstatic gnosis filled with rage observing achieve different results?

Last Edited by Tý_ on 09/17/2021 08:24 AM

Actually both. Each being suited to different emotional states. If you're looking to work with calming energies, looking to manifest(or attract) balanced relationships in your life you shouldn't be using ecstatic methods. (unless maybe you're a total shut in and balance to you would mean an outgoing lust filled person?) Case by case :P This is why I keep saying things like 'the emotion appropriate to the task'.

Glad that helps lol - I struggle explaining some things to some people, sometimes, have you noticed? :D
Each of us are different, some people understand my disjointed ramblings, others say "what. the. fuck. my. guy."

:)

Note: Whilst trying to explain this I was in a very focused mode, nothing but that objective. Link was 'stumbled across' that helped explain. :P

Last Edited by Tý_ on 09/17/2021 08:43 AM

Outstanding performance, “my guy”!

This is exactly what I was looking for. Very beneficial.

Thank you for the time and “energy” you put into it!

Lots of good information here to process and digest.

...then put to use.

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You're very welcome. :)

Actually yes...
Positive thoughts attract positive outcomes.

Um, no. Carry on though

She's right but it depends upon what you consider positive. I may get immense satisfaction from thoughts about doing something really awful to someone.

Indeed lol

Disclaimer: I am not responsible for what Z does with this information, I simply shared it.

Please don't wank us in to a new timeline Z :P

Goodnight all! :)

Good night

All this talk of building intense feeling and energy, bringing it to a crescendo, and then releasing it in an explosion of ecstasy...

Sounds like one hell of a powerful orgasm that can cause a timeline shift to occur.

But no worries..... I’ll shift us all into a world in which the ladies can eat cheesecake and vanilla ice cream in bed all day and never gain a pound, and they’ll line up to pleasure the men.

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Or I'll enslave all of you and have you cater to my enjoyment lol

Last Edited by Green Witch on 09/17/2021 01:14 PM