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I agree with you about the generalized Gardnerized 'wicca' movement that grew in Crowly's wake. Sometimes I imagine all of that as a sort of inside practical joke.

I also agree with you on the concepts of 'power' and 'control' over elements that most of us haven't the remotest clue just how primordial they are.

chuckle

We're blessed now with the gift of learned hindsight.

Think of the set and setting he existed in at that time and what he had to work with that was readily available to him.

Yes, some of us have had the blessings of deeper genetic ties to the underpinnings of what was far later bastardized into the publicized Abrahamic system of corrupted western thought for the masses - but he wasn't - and still warped the timeline, for better and worse, for a century after, and by the force of his Will alone, as fucked as it was.

He brought the 'greys' in, for one example.

damned

Lessons ready to learn brought by those who dared before us I say.

WE have so much more at our fingertips now, including the gifts of hindsight.

There's lots of werk to do, I imagine.

sun
 Quoting: Vafþrúðnir


Ok so gardener was one of the main founders of modern day wicca. That makes sense on why I don't know who he is by name. I never got into wicca as I thought it to be washed down magick. And I realized the abrahamic magic was blood magick based on my ties with the catholic church. I was on a magick forum that was heavily influenced by black magick practitioners, currently run by a modern day wanna be anton levay type persona, forum for a while. It has a lot of useful information in it because of the users, and I learned the difference between the different types of magick. I would consider myself gray as I am not adverse to offensive and defensive magick practices. But I found out, and was told by my guides that I am not to practice satanic or lucifarian black magick. This was shortly before and right as all the stuff about the peadophilia and human sacrafice was becoming more public Knowledge. I was told to stay away from the abrahamic stuff. And I knew that the catholic religion along with another abrahamic one was the root cause for the many evils going on.

Hindsight is a beautiful tool and the fact that so much esoteric info is readily ar our fingertips is truly magical. I think that is the main reason I started off liking crowley and blatvasky. They made the secret teachings available to the masses without the need for the societies. It honestly needed to happen. There are many gatekeepers who prevent people with honest intent and great potential from being able to access their rightful teachings due to varying and nefarious reasons. Imo.

Who would you say, or what system, would be good ones to read up on?
 Quoting: Venittempus777


Gerald Gardner. This is a guy I could write a dozen pages on.

Gardner was a really strange guy. Like Crowley he was part showman and part mystic. Some people consider him a genius. Others think of him as an eccentric, dirty old man who like to get naked and do very insane things. I'm somewhere in the middle.

Gardner was strongly influenced by guys like Crowley and Margaret Murray and Charles Leland. Gardner basically took what these other people had written, added his own made up rituals and basically invented a new religion. Gardner said he met some English Witches in a forest coven, but there is no evidence that this ever happened. It looks like Gardner just made the entire thing up.

So you get modern wicca. A mix of Gardner, Crowley, Murray and a butt ton of new age occult practices all mixed in to form a new religion. Back in the day, the stigma was that wicca was not a valid path for that very reason. That is was newly created. Even today Wiccans have never really gotten past that.

Personally I see Wicca as a valid path, but I just wish more of it's followers knew where it came from. It's a purely modern invention. The idea that there is an unbroken line that goes back thousands of years is just not historically accurate. Just like there was no ancient goddess worship cult. At least not in the form that the wiccans believe. This is what I call dubious history.

It's gotten better in recent years. You really don't have wiccan authors pushing the dubious history anymore. Writers like Buckland and Cunningham and Silver Ravenwolf etc

As for systems, for me personally it would be anything that promotes open practice over dogma.
 
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