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Poster Handle Green Witch
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I agree with you about the generalized Gardnerized 'wicca' movement that grew in Crowly's wake. Sometimes I imagine all of that as a sort of inside practical joke.

I also agree with you on the concepts of 'power' and 'control' over elements that most of us haven't the remotest clue just how primordial they are.

chuckle

We're blessed now with the gift of learned hindsight.

Think of the set and setting he existed in at that time and what he had to work with that was readily available to him.

Yes, some of us have had the blessings of deeper genetic ties to the underpinnings of what was far later bastardized into the publicized Abrahamic system of corrupted western thought for the masses - but he wasn't - and still warped the timeline, for better and worse, for a century after, and by the force of his Will alone, as fucked as it was.

He brought the 'greys' in, for one example.

damned

Lessons ready to learn brought by those who dared before us I say.

WE have so much more at our fingertips now, including the gifts of hindsight.

There's lots of werk to do, I imagine.

sun
 Quoting: Vafþrúðnir


Ok so gardener was one of the main founders of modern day wicca. That makes sense on why I don't know who he is by name. I never got into wicca as I thought it to be washed down magick. And I realized the abrahamic magic was blood magick based on my ties with the catholic church. I was on a magick forum that was heavily influenced by black magick practitioners, currently run by a modern day wanna be anton levay type persona, forum for a while. It has a lot of useful information in it because of the users, and I learned the difference between the different types of magick. I would consider myself gray as I am not adverse to offensive and defensive magick practices. But I found out, and was told by my guides that I am not to practice satanic or lucifarian black magick. This was shortly before and right as all the stuff about the peadophilia and human sacrafice was becoming more public Knowledge. I was told to stay away from the abrahamic stuff. And I knew that the catholic religion along with another abrahamic one was the root cause for the many evils going on.

Hindsight is a beautiful tool and the fact that so much esoteric info is readily ar our fingertips is truly magical. I think that is the main reason I started off liking crowley and blatvasky. They made the secret teachings available to the masses without the need for the societies. It honestly needed to happen. There are many gatekeepers who prevent people with honest intent and great potential from being able to access their rightful teachings due to varying and nefarious reasons. Imo.

Who would you say, or what system, would be good ones to read up on?
 Quoting: Venittempus777


Gerald Gardner. This is a guy I could write a dozen pages on.

Gardner was a really strange guy. Like Crowley he was part showman and part mystic. Some people consider him a genius. Others think of him as an eccentric, dirty old man who like to get naked and do very insane things. I'm somewhere in the middle.

Gardner was strongly influenced by guys like Crowley and Margaret Murray and Charles Leland. Gardner basically took what these other people had written, added his own made up rituals and basically invented a new religion. Gardner said he met some English Witches in a forest coven, but there is no evidence that this ever happened. It looks like Gardner just made the entire thing up.

So you get modern wicca. A mix of Gardner, Crowley, Murray and a butt ton of new age occult practices all mixed in to form a new religion. Back in the day, the stigma was that wicca was not a valid path for that very reason. That is was newly created. Even today Wiccans have never really gotten past that.

Personally I see Wicca as a valid path, but I just wish more of it's followers knew where it came from. It's a purely modern invention. The idea that there is an unbroken line that goes back thousands of years is just not historically accurate. Just like there was no ancient goddess worship cult. At least not in the form that the wiccans believe. This is what I call dubious history.

It's gotten better in recent years. You really don't have wiccan authors pushing the dubious history anymore. Writers like Buckland and Cunningham and Silver Ravenwolf etc

As for systems, for me personally it would be anything that promotes open practice over dogma.
 Quoting: Green Witch


See I need to do my due diligence and do the historical research. I'm lazy cause that stuff is dry as desert dirt to me.

I do know that a lot of the goetia stuff is based off of writings from the 1500s which was based off of solomon's magick and abralamin the sage. I'm torn on that stuff because it does have a lot of useful techniques but it revolves around so much abuse. I actually went down the darker paths, a lot of anger and ignorance with that part of my life, thankfully I have very caring and protective guides that led me out of that and have been working on clearing and integrating that shadow side.

I wish I had had someone teach me the natural way in person. Instead of floundering on my own. I dont regret the paths I've walked or the lessons I learned, because I learned a lot about myself in the process, But it would have been nice to have guidance from a living person to help me avoid a lot of the pitfalls I managed to get myself into.

I can see how
 Quoting: Venittempus777


I was very fortunate. I was born into a tradition that had already been established by centuries so I had a firm background from which to begin. Many aren't so lucky. And learning anything on your own is much more difficult.

Don't fret over your past choices or mistakes. They are what they are. Opportunities to learn from and grow. You make a mistake or a bad choice, acknowledge it and move on.

As for the goetia, Abramelin and things such as the Solomonic seals, 72 Names, it all has to do with ceremony and commanding forces. It can lead you into some very dangerous places if you dont know exactly what you are doing.

Shadow work, bringing yourself into balance, acknowledging duality and integrating is about one of the best things you can do. I'd say at higher levels it's a necessity.

My advice, would be to seek out books and people on a traditional path and read books on traditional craft. Read, and let your gut guide you as to what you integrate into your practice. After a while, you'll know what works for you and what doesn't

I have a set of books that I usually recommend for people such as yourself if you are interested :)

And don't fall into the trap of thinking your practice has to be this way or that way. Don't box yourself in. The Craft is unique to each person.
 
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