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Uncle Gintel
User ID: 64578501 United States 07/07/2021 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill I dunno, everyone I know got it, my parents, team members, nobody had any reaction except being tired for a day or two. Quoting: Uncle Gintel But did you travel 10 years into the future to check the long-term impacts (which is the core concern that smart folks are worried about)? If not, then how does it matter in any relevant sense that your circle hasn't had bad reactions yet? When people get infected with HIV, many experience flu-like symptoms within the first few weeks, and a small number of people die during that stage while the vast majority survive (just like with Covid). BUT if left untreated it will kill about 90% of them within about 10 years. You could just as easily say about HIV, "I dunno, everyone I know got it, my parents, team members, nobody had any reaction except being tired for a day or two." No and I won't lie and say there is zero chance I won't have a problem. I think both sides take a risk and are not totally honest in heated debates. Saying 99% of people survive the virus is a simplified response. There are a lot of long term effects in many. On the other hand, saying the vaccine is definitely not going to do something is not really honest Either. Maybe we are all mad bc it's kinda a shitty choice. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 58639407 Switzerland 07/07/2021 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill I will send to some pHD nerds later for feedback. Quoting: Uncle Gintel I dunno, everyone I know got it, my parents, team members, nobody had any reaction except being tired for a day or two. I am not laughing at your post though. This post actually involves a real science journal and should be looked at closer. Thanks for your input, looking forward to the feedback from your PhD friends. :thumb: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79615838 United States 07/07/2021 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Oh, I don't know... Maybe just maybe these medical doctors are removing themselves from this since the paper was created by a physicist, a data scientist, and a psychologist.... None of the paper’s authors is trained in vaccinology, virology, or epidemiology. How are those people qualified to write a paper on vaccines??? They are: Rainer Klement, a physicist who studies ketogenic diets in cancer treatment at the Leopoldina Hospital in Schweinfurt, Germany; Wouter Aukema, an independent data scientist in Hoenderloo, Netherlands; and first author Harald Walach, a clinical psychologist and science historian by training who until 30 June was a health researcher at Poznan University of Medical Sciences in Poland. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 58639407 Switzerland 07/07/2021 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Oh, I don't know... Maybe just maybe these medical doctors are removing themselves from this since the paper was created by a physicist, a data scientist, and a psychologist.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79615838 None of the paper’s authors is trained in vaccinology, virology, or epidemiology. How are those people qualified to write a paper on vaccines??? Ok, so them being at the board of the journal, they couldn't just issue a statement saying "we do not agree with this paper because the creators are not qualified"? And to be honest, I don't think you need to be a virologist for this kind of study. You need data science skills, which I think were there. You need vaccinology, virology, and epidemiology, when you want to discuss the mechanism of the vaccine - which was not a part of this study. :whitewash: |
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User ID: 80287538 United States 07/07/2021 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill I dunno, everyone I know got it, my parents, team members, nobody had any reaction except being tired for a day or two. Quoting: Uncle Gintel But did you travel 10 years into the future to check the long-term impacts (which is the core concern that smart folks are worried about)? If not, then how does it matter in any relevant sense that your circle hasn't had bad reactions yet? When people get infected with HIV, many experience flu-like symptoms within the first few weeks, and a small number of people die during that stage while the vast majority survive (just like with Covid). BUT if left untreated it will kill about 90% of them within about 10 years. You could just as easily say about HIV, "I dunno, everyone I know got it, my parents, team members, nobody had any reaction except being tired for a day or two." No and I won't lie and say there is zero chance I won't have a problem. I think both sides take a risk and are not totally honest in heated debates. Saying 99% of people survive the virus is a simplified response. There are a lot of long term effects in many. On the other hand, saying the vaccine is definitely not going to do something is not really honest Either. Maybe we are all mad bc it's kinda a shitty choice. There is no such thing as LOOOOONG COVID-19 b/c SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist but don't 4 get ur booster |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75047034 United States 07/07/2021 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Ok guys, this is rather huge: Quoting: Karlgel [link to www.sciencemag.org (secure)] The PEER-REVIEWED STUDY states that for every 3 prevented COVID-19 deaths, the vaccines kill 2! They were forced to RETRACT the study! However you can still find the study here: [link to www.mdpi.com (secure)] Suggest a pin, even if I say it myself. EDIT: YOU CAN DOWNLOAD A COPY OF THE STUDY FROM THE LINK - DO IT NOW WHILE IT'S STILL UP!!! The 'study' is a croc There have been ZERO FOUX-VID deaths because there is no FOUX-VID virus. They're killing people for profit. |
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*MOLON LABE* User ID: 80366167 United States 07/07/2021 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill I just posted last night about my Peruvian mother in law having a seizure and falling. She had sinovac in Peru before she traveled. It was just like this except she thrashed around and made gurgling noises. She is currently still hospitalized at UF health in Gainesville and has had 7 more seizures since yesterday afternoon. "She isn't real.....I can't make her real" "Somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep...Disorder, Disorder, Disorder" "The World is a business Mr Beale..." "You depend on our protection yet you feed us lies from the tablecloth......" ENFJ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74113044 United States 07/07/2021 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill From the article: Quoting: Lover_Girl “ “The data has been misused because it makes the (incorrect) assumption that all deaths occurring post vaccination are caused by vaccination,” Ewer wrote in an email. “[And] it is now being used by anti-vaxxers and COVID-19-deniers as evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are not safe. [This] is grossly irresponsible, particularly for a journal specialising in vaccines.”” Isn’t this exactly what they did with covid? Why are they allowed to do it for covid but not the vaccine? Why is this ok? Exactly! If all deaths prevax were from Covid Then all deaths after vax are not from the vaxxx that's the way lies work!!! |
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roguetechie81
User ID: 79785318 United States 07/07/2021 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Ok guys, this is rather huge: Quoting: Karlgel [link to www.sciencemag.org (secure)] The PEER-REVIEWED STUDY states that for every 3 prevented COVID-19 deaths, the vaccines kill 2! They were forced to RETRACT the study! However you can still find the study here: [link to www.mdpi.com (secure)] Suggest a pin, even if I say it myself. EDIT: YOU CAN DOWNLOAD A COPY OF THE STUDY FROM THE LINK - DO IT NOW WHILE IT'S STILL UP!!! The data has been misused because it makes the incorrect conclusions... I thought this was science not theology? You go where the data takes you roguetechie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65294809 Switzerland 07/07/2021 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill And to be honest, I don't think you need to be a virologist for this kind of study. You need data science skills, which I think were there. Quoting: Karlgel You need vaccinology, virology, and epidemiology, when you want to discuss the mechanism of the vaccine - which was not a part of this study. I admit that my anti-mRNA-vaxx biases make me give more slack to the authors of the report just as I admit that if they were pro-mRNA-vaxxers I'd treat them differently too. In the game of a-ha! it is advantage when the side you're on does have ALL its ducks in a row. But knowing how political biased people are or aren't also is as important as knowing what medical degrees they have or don't, or what their field of expertise is or isn't. All I know is that most of the resentment, censorship and banning has come from pro-vaxxers towards anti-vaxxers, not the other way around. If most anti-vaxxers were behaving like a Fauci, Gates, Silicon Valley, Big Pharmaceutical, etc, I'd question what they were all about. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75993659 Canada 07/07/2021 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Ok guys, this is rather huge: Quoting: Karlgel [link to www.sciencemag.org (secure)] The PEER-REVIEWED STUDY states that for every 3 prevented COVID-19 deaths, the vaccines kill 2! They were forced to RETRACT the study! However you can still find the study here: [link to www.mdpi.com (secure)] Suggest a pin, even if I say it myself. EDIT: YOU CAN DOWNLOAD A COPY OF THE STUDY FROM THE LINK - DO IT NOW WHILE IT'S STILL UP!!! That means the vaccines only help 60% of those that take it, and it kills 40% of those who take it. A 40% kill rate is insanely high. Especially since its not factoring in non-fatal injuries. Which makes the vaccine much worse. |
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Trisherella
User ID: 80264733 United States 07/07/2021 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill I dunno, everyone I know got it, my parents, team members, nobody had any reaction except being tired for a day or two. Quoting: Uncle Gintel But did you travel 10 years into the future to check the long-term impacts (which is the core concern that smart folks are worried about)? If not, then how does it matter in any relevant sense that your circle hasn't had bad reactions yet? When people get infected with HIV, many experience flu-like symptoms within the first few weeks, and a small number of people die during that stage while the vast majority survive (just like with Covid). BUT if left untreated it will kill about 90% of them within about 10 years. You could just as easily say about HIV, "I dunno, everyone I know got it, my parents, team members, nobody had any reaction except being tired for a day or two." No and I won't lie and say there is zero chance I won't have a problem. I think both sides take a risk and are not totally honest in heated debates. Saying 99% of people survive the virus is a simplified response. There are a lot of long term effects in many. On the other hand, saying the vaccine is definitely not going to do something is not really honest Either. Maybe we are all mad bc it's kinda a shitty choice. Turns out you can treat COVID with a cheap treatment called Ivermectin. So, there's that. Got a treatment for horrible vaccine side effects? Trisherella |
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Reality420
User ID: 49477262 United States 07/07/2021 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill The vaccine is dangerous, but they don't want to admit it. Even when their own study proves it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80575916 Because the study wasn't even done by Virologist, Biochemist, nor Epidemiologist.. Just your usual group of YouTube vaxtards: "None of the paper’s authors is trained in vaccinology, virology, or epidemiology. They are: Harald Walach, a clinical psychologist and science historian by training who describes himself as a health researcher at Poznan University of Medical Sciences in Poland; Rainer Klement, a physicist who studies ketogenic diets in cancer treatment at the Leopoldina Hospital in Schweinfurt, Germany; and Wouter Aukema, an independent data scientist in Hoenderloo, Netherlands. The three peer reviewers on the paper, two of them anonymous, did not offer any substantial criticism of the authors’ methodology in these brief reviews. One of them, Anne Ulrich, a chemist who directs the Institute of Biological Interfaces and is chair of biochemistry at the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology in Germany, wrote that the authors’ analysis “is performed responsibly … and without methodological flaws … and the results were interpreted with the necessary caveats.” That's a pretty good reason in any scientific journal to take the study as utter bullshit. But yeah.. Muh muh muh muh muh vaxtards. It's hilarious to see all the illiterate and innumerate morans whining that this POS paper was retracted. It was authored by an anti-vax psychologist who specializes in woo-woo "mindfulness". Basically what he did was take the Netherlands' version of VAERS data and treated every reported death following a vaccination as being caused by the vaccination even though the Netherlands Pharmacovigilance Center has disclaimers explaining that the data does not mean a vaccine caused an adverse event. "To compute deaths “caused” by vaccine side effects, they used EU data on the number of vaccine doses delivered in the Netherlands and data from that country’s national database for adverse drug reaction reporting, which was more voluminous than registry data from other EU countries. The Netherlands Pharmacovigilance Center, called Lareb, is similar to the United States’s VAERS reporting system, in which anyone can file a report of an adverse event that occurs after vaccination; the existence of a report in the database does not prove a vaccine caused an adverse event or death." Eugène van Puijenbroek who curates the data of the Netherlands Pharmacovigilance Center "sent an email to Vaccines’s editors, criticizing the paper and requesting a correction or retraction." . It's pretty bad when the people who curate the data you used to lie with write to the journal complaining that you are a moron and stupidly misused the data. . Like I said, the denizens of GLP are functionally illiterate and innumerate. They operate at the 3rd grade level. Which is why you see the flat earth droolers invading every astronomy thread with their abject idiocy. R. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. — Thomas Jefferson Nothing is more terrible than to see ignorance in action. — Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
Reality420
User ID: 49477262 United States 07/07/2021 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill From the article: Quoting: Lover_Girl “ “The data has been misused because it makes the (incorrect) assumption that all deaths occurring post vaccination are caused by vaccination,” Ewer wrote in an email. “[And] it is now being used by anti-vaxxers and COVID-19-deniers as evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are not safe. [This] is grossly irresponsible, particularly for a journal specialising in vaccines.”” Oh so I am sure it was just a coincidence every time people happen to die shortly after they took the vaccine. Keep in mind all the pro vaccines people for the lat year were saying nearly all deaths were listed as Covid or “died with” Covid. They were listing every type of death as a Covid death before the vaccine. Now they are getting mad at the very thing they were doing, but with real evidence it was caused by the vaccine. Good grief these people are phony hypocrites. They are probably scared they may end up in prison. Considering that the US mortality rate is about 869.7 per 100000 persons it is virtually certain that a death following vaccination was coincidental. [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] . A total of 182,896,080 persons in the US have been vaccinated with at least one dose. At 869.7 natural deaths per 100,00 it is expected that 869.7x1828.96 = 1,590,647 natural deaths per year. This equals 4,355 natural deaths per day = 30,484 natural deaths per week whether vaccinated or not. [link to covid.cdc.gov (secure)] . Gee... Any group of 183 million people will have 30000+ deaths per week regardless of whether they were vaccinated or not. Or whether they ate salt or not. Or whether they drank water or not. Just because you died does not mean the vaccine did it. . This simple fact is what the idiot Walach missed and why he and his stupid paper was debunked within minutes of it being published. His error is at the kindergarten level that a high school student should be ashamed of. He is a dishonest anti-vaccine lying woo-woo psychologist. He is not a scientist. R. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. — Thomas Jefferson Nothing is more terrible than to see ignorance in action. — Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 58639407 Switzerland 07/08/2021 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Gee... Any group of 183 million people will have 30000+ deaths per week regardless of whether they were vaccinated or not. Quoting: Reality420 Or whether they ate salt or not. Or whether they drank water or not. Just because you died does not mean the vaccine did it. ...but if it was COVID, then it was COVID, and nothing else right? COVID does it every time, even if the person was hit by a bus. The irony here is really that for pro-COVID, pro-vaccine, ANY stupid result is always newsworthy and automatically a fact that nobody can even question. The other way round it doesn't work. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79051161 United States 07/08/2021 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Oh, I don't know... Maybe just maybe these medical doctors are removing themselves from this since the paper was created by a physicist, a data scientist, and a psychologist.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79615838 None of the paper’s authors is trained in vaccinology, virology, or epidemiology. How are those people qualified to write a paper on vaccines??? They are: Rainer Klement, a physicist who studies ketogenic diets in cancer treatment at the Leopoldina Hospital in Schweinfurt, Germany; Wouter Aukema, an independent data scientist in Hoenderloo, Netherlands; and first author Harald Walach, a clinical psychologist and science historian by training who until 30 June was a health researcher at Poznan University of Medical Sciences in Poland. Paper is simply analysis of stats. Not a report on how graphene oxide hacks your body's modem to send out signals of the bioweapon, just the death count resulting from it! |
Arkansassy
User ID: 76716753 United States 07/08/2021 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Gee... Any group of 183 million people will have 30000+ deaths per week regardless of whether they were vaccinated or not. Quoting: Reality420 Or whether they ate salt or not. Or whether they drank water or not. Just because you died does not mean the vaccine did it. ...but if it was COVID, then it was COVID, and nothing else right? COVID does it every time, even if the person was hit by a bus. The irony here is really that for pro-COVID, pro-vaccine, ANY stupid result is always newsworthy and automatically a fact that nobody can even question. The other way round it doesn't work. Well, Covid made the guy walk out into traffic, so it doesn’t matter that being hit by a bus is the cause of death. He was still killed by Covid /s IDGAF |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79903994 United States 07/10/2021 09:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Ok guys, this is rather huge: Quoting: Karlgel [link to www.sciencemag.org (secure)] The PEER-REVIEWED STUDY states that for every 3 prevented COVID-19 deaths, the vaccines kill 2! They were forced to RETRACT the study! However you can still find the study here: [link to www.mdpi.com (secure)] Suggest a pin, even if I say it myself. EDIT: YOU CAN DOWNLOAD A COPY OF THE STUDY FROM THE LINK - DO IT NOW WHILE IT'S STILL UP!!! Any scientist or doctor that won't admit a vaccine can be just as dangerous as the virus it attempts to prevent is a liar or nothing short of complete fraud. Those people are either so inexperienced and uneducatd that don't understand how vaccines work or they care so little about human life that they have no problem with the lie. People can argue that the good achieved is worth the risk, the needs of the many are more important than the needs of the few who might suffer a reaction but no intelligent, honest person can argue there's no risk. I don't agree with either of those arguments but at least they acknowlege the risk involved, especially with experimental vaccines but simply insisting there's no risk or that any risk should be hidden and buried well, Josef Mengele would be proud I'm sure. Mind you these days it seems everyone is on a run to make the Nazi's proud so I don't why I bother with the comparison anymore. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79415081 United States 07/13/2021 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill Ok guys, this is rather huge: Quoting: Karlgel [link to www.sciencemag.org (secure)] The PEER-REVIEWED STUDY states that for every 3 prevented COVID-19 deaths, the vaccines kill 2! They were forced to RETRACT the study! However you can still find the study here: [link to www.mdpi.com (secure)] Suggest a pin, even if I say it myself. EDIT: YOU CAN DOWNLOAD A COPY OF THE STUDY FROM THE LINK - DO IT NOW WHILE IT'S STILL UP!!! Any scientist or doctor that won't admit a vaccine can be just as dangerous as the virus it attempts to prevent is a liar or nothing short of complete fraud. Those people are either so inexperienced and uneducatd that don't understand how vaccines work or they care so little about human life that they have no problem with the lie. People can argue that the good achieved is worth the risk, the needs of the many are more important than the needs of the few who might suffer a reaction but no intelligent, honest person can argue there's no risk. I don't agree with either of those arguments but at least they acknowlege the risk involved, especially with experimental vaccines but simply insisting there's no risk or that any risk should be hidden and buried well, Josef Mengele would be proud I'm sure. Mind you these days it seems everyone is on a run to make the Nazi's proud so I don't why I bother with the comparison anymore. |
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