Pope Francis has just made things extremely difficult for Traditional Catholics!

Treating the old Latin Mass Lovers and the History of the Mass like Statues - Get Rid of Them! Wants to Divide the Church

Some Catholics criticized Francis's move, saying it is the first time they’ve seen a sitting pope reverse a predecessor's decision in such a strong way, the AP noted, and particularly under the extraordinary circumstance in which the previous pope is still alive and living in the Vatican.

“This is an extraordinary rejection of the hard work for the church and the loyalty to the hierarchy which has characterized the movement for the Traditional Mass for many years, which I fear will foster a sense of alienation among those attached to the church’s ancient liturgy,” Joseph Shaw, chairman of the Latin Mass Society of England and Wales, told the AP. <50%

I would just remind all Catholics, though I'm Protestant, that no bishop or presbyter has a "right" to limit the liturgy in any tongue, including Latin.

I understand that Papa Frank is trying to be hip and get away from the Latin thing, but so many people are accustomed to Latin mass that it would seem bizarre to do it anything else. It's like asking a Greek church to not use Greek.

I, of course, have other issues with Rome, but Frank is really overplaying his hand.

He's also leaning very near "normalizing" homosexuality.

I see a day coming when there is actually a protestant movement with the RCC, even though that might sound oxymoronic.

Benedict is not the previous pope.

He is the pope -- God's elect.

Francis was chosen by MAN.

This needs PINED

Interesting. I've never heard of that group (and am having a hard time pronouncing their name). Was that group ever a formal church? Did they elect a pope? How do they operate?

SEDE VACANTE (EST)

I don't know why Catholics are surprised. Ratzinger himself issued warning in the 80s about Bergoglio.

They make it look squeaky clean on the outside, but Ratzinger and Bergoglio were nearly mortal enemies in years past.

I'm a protestant, but I know all the dirt that's been swept under the rug with those two.

They had diametrically opposed views on the direction of the church.

Burn in hell [link to snapnetwork.org]

They have not elected a new pope, as far as I know. I think, they consider every Pope after Vatican 2 invalid and consider the chair empty. Maybe. I need to dig a bit.

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New World Order


That's where it all began.

I'll try to find those articles if I still have them.

Ratzinger was warning about Bergoglio and all that corruption that went down in Argentina.

You have to understand that Bergoglio could not allow Ratzinger to hold office as Bishop of Rome because Ratzinger was about to clean house, and Papa Frank was numero uno on the list.

Yes! The rumor mill has it that when he resigned, he was given the assurance that a completely different person was to be pope. They bait and switched him!

Ratzinger didn't step down, he was taken hostage in probably the biggest stealth coup in Rome you'll ever see in your life.

And to this day it's still all hush hush.

Yep! Latin for "the seat is vacant" or something like that.

fake pope and a fake president....

It is now.

I am coming to believe it has been for all my life.





My father was a very conservative Catholic -- though not a "traditional" Catholic.


He was very alienated by the reforms of Vatican II, which Benedict also championed -- along with John Paul II.

In fact, Benedict was only one of two priests to wear modern western clothes -- not a Roman collar -- at the sessions for Vatican II.

It was only after the counterculture of the 60's he did a 180 and became a conservative.

:truestory:

He is like the Deng Xiaopeng of the Catholic Church.

But he is paying for his mistakes on this earth.

The pope I trying to end Catholicism as we know it.

Nay Popery!

We don't need some guy in a silk suit with a fish-hat "intercessing" between us, and God.

An end is coming of a sort.

St. Malachy's prophecy.


PETRUS ROMANUS


Francis lived outside the Vatican at first as pope -- IN ROME ITSELF.

He may have just drawn down an ancient curse upon himself:

Quo primum, issued on July 14, 1570 by Pope Pius V, said of the Tridentine Rite:

"We grant in perpetuity that this Missal is hereafter freely and lawfully to be used, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty or censure...No one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Should anyone dare to contravene it, let him know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul."

I've been reading about it, and it means "The seat of St. Peter is vacant," although the direct translation from Latin would not include the part about Peter.

I see, now, why they haven't ever formed a separate church. Part of their problem with Vatican II is its embrace of ecumenism, so the sedevacantists are in a Catch 22 situation where they see the RCC as the one true church, outside of which salvation is impossible, but they also see the leadership of that church as illegitimate, so if they leave the church formally, they are condemned, but if they don't, they have to deal with an impostor leading their church which, I assume, while not good, is preferable to eternal damnation.

Me too.

Well, I can tell you that Frank ain't a good.

I'll keep silent about the alleged assassinations in Argentina that have been passed through the grape vine over the years because I don't have any hard evidence.

All I can say is that he was known as a Jesuit thug in Argentina.

Frankie looks like an evil kinda guy.

He was a nightclub bouncer, in Argentina, so has probably been in a lot of fights and shit.

I wish I could disagree.

Please try to find the articles.

The whole point of "Churches", not just Catholics, but all "Churches" is to be the middleman skimmer between God, and the unwashed masses.

Just like banksterism, really.

Or Western Union.

Parasitic entities, one and all.

Apostasy can happen anywhere, people. Anywhere. My church, your church, any church.

Apostle Paul warned the Church of Ephesus long ago about these kinds of wolves. They are real, and they will and do absolutely shred the church to pieces.

We know that in Ephesus shortly after the Apostolic era, that was the first place antidocetic gnosticism took hold. That's why Apostle John preacher against it so hard in his Epistles after his return to Ephesus after his exile on Patmos.

Watch these people, folks. They are Satan's own.

Acts 20

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29For I know this, that after my departing shall viscous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

This is VERY TRUE!