BIBLE READ-THROUGH: Day 1 (GENESIS 1-28:22): Reflection and Discussion

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

So….did Adam and Eve coexist with cro-magnon and Neanderthal? Just wondering how these more primitive versions of humanity line up with the timing in Genesis.

Still no answer as to why Jesus received worship uh?

You have the wrong Jesus.

Your 'Jesus' cannot save you.

Did you read the assigned reading today?

Evolution (Cro-Magnon and Neanderthals) cannot harmoniously coexist with creationism.

They are mutually exclusive to each other.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Honor and worship are two VASTLY different things.

Why was He worshipped?

This is where your heretical theology breaks down.

Jesus is God Almighty.

The Bible is a spiritual book,it is the word of God in the original text. Your reading and accessing in the carnally of man's thinking and reducing spiritual applications that can only be understood by two things. 1) you have to follow the biblical hermeneutics of comparing spiritual to spiritual, scripture to scripture with the whole Bible in order to come to complete harmony in finding truth whatever the subject matter one is studying. 2) God had to regenerated a dead spirit ( made alive, born again) to open up ones understanding and in God's timing for the measured individual. The Bible is a complex source of truth that requires extensive study and research to find the depths of spiritual truth, God is spirit and must be worship in spirit and truth. We look no further than the Bible ( KJV,KJ3 jp green, best old and modern translations) that interprets itself and is its own dictionary aided by the Holy Spirit on behalf of the elect child of God.

At this point in the ending history of this present world and the ushering in the New perfect world reserved for the remnant chosen by God at the foundation of the world God's people will know the time were in and will watch only through the Bible alone to understand God's timetable for this earth and its inhabitants.



Know where we are in God's timetable.....


The world Is under the wrath of God,we are in judgment day and have been for just over a decade. We know this with certainty through the biblical timeline of history that God has revealed in His word in our day. The timeline reveals creation began in 11013bc, the flood 4990bc, Christ birth April 1st 7bc ( known exact date, jubilee year) , Christ death and ressurection 33ad ( just to name a few). Not only has God revealed a percise timetable of biblical events but also has opened up spiritual understanding (progressive revelation) of His word that with certainty reveals we are at the end of time for this present world. The biblical timeline fashion with opening up of the scriptures reveals the church age ended on May 21 1988 after 1955 year's as an external representation of God on earth. This is the apostasy,satan stands in the Holy place. God removed His Holy Spirit from all the churches and congregation's that have identified themselves with Christ and installed satan to rule there,the daily sacrifice taken away. May 21 1988 was the 13000th year of earth's history and the beginning of the great tribulation that lasted 23 years / 8400 days. September 7 1994 (the last jubilee) usher in a 17 years of the latter rain whereas God who elected a people for Himself at the foundation of the world begin to apply salvation/regeneration of dead spirits outside of the churches in the world ( the last will be first and the first will be last) saving more souls in that timespan than any other point in history. All of this ended on May 21 2011 the beginning of judgment day. Satan was dethroned as ruler of this world a right of conquest won in the garden with the fall of mankind to where he is no longer relevant at this point.Satan is not responsible for what is happening in our day,this is the wrath of God being poured out on the unsaved people's of the world ( standing before God). Christ came as He said He would like a "theif in the night" and did for most of mankind but not for the one's who heeded the warning of that day ( judgment day) will not "overtake you as a theif".Christ is no longer the belovant saviour but the judge ruling the nation's people's of the world with a rod of iron. As the wrath of God continues to become worse the people of God will go through this time of trouble as well but, will endure to the end.

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We do not know exactly when the angels were created, but we know they were created before the earth was created, and that none of them had fallen yet because they all rejoiced and sang together:

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38 King James Bible

We also have some idea why they were created:

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Hebrews 1 King James Bible

Knowing that they were created before the earth's foundation and were witnesses of that event; and that they were intended to be messengers, sent forth as ministers to the men who were made in God's image; we can deduce that their creation was in an early part of God's creative timeline.

Furthermore, it really doesn't make much sense to speak of when they were created in relation to the way we currently measure time, because time itself is measured by creation:

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Genesis 1 King James Bible

Angels were created at the start of day1 of creation. They were the only witnesses to the creation of the universe, including earth, until the beginning of day6. That is when Adam was created to be the witnesses for how the garden came to be full of life.
Angels are also immortal, so they have been to New Jerusalem, as that is the only location of the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
They would have built all the megaliths:


Ge:6:2:
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Jude:1:5-8:
I will therefore put you in remembrance,
though ye once knew this,
how that the Lord,
having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
afterward destroyed them that believed not.
And the angels which kept not their first estate,
but left their own habitation,
he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha,
and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication,
and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion,
and speak evil of dignities.

Prophecy:
Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Historical event:
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

M't:8:29:
And,
behold,
they cried out,
saying,
What have we to do with thee,
Jesus,
thou Son of God?
art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

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It is true. I'm a follower and will remain in spite of this kind of behavior. But it was a thing which struck me every stage of my prechristian life. I now know why, as the devil is busy at work with his favorite tools: confusion and pride. But it does drive those off who may not have been blessed with that revelation.

I do not argue with others, even if I greatly think they are not understanding scripture correctly, or are a poor example(for example, our town is using "who's your daddy" to try to get people into church. Yes, I'm serious.), Because if they were convicted, they wouldn't do the things which they do. It is God who can adjust their understanding only, never my attempts at correcting what I perceive to be wrong. And who knows, maybe that which I see to be wrong is the right way to get the right people's attention?

Anyway, I take the stance that I know not much, but those who say they love God are my brethren until they prove to be liars. And I will say thank you for their sharing of what they think to be true, only holding discussions if they seek answers through questions and are genuinely seeking answers. Most are not.

Show us a verse where an Apostle says...

"Salvation requires belief that Jesus is God"

It doesn't exist.

"Son OF God"" - several verses witness to that.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

"Witness" verses.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 17:21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

3 statements that Jesus made will help folks understand the "mission" that the Father has given to Him.

"I am the way" - John 14:6
"Follow me" - Matthew 4:19 and 16 other verses
"No one comes to the Father but through me" - John 14:6

The "destination" is Salvation - eternal life - in the Kingdom of God.

His God - Our God. John 20:17

The Father's Kingdom as the Lord's Prayer states.

Jesus tells us - shows us - helps us - how to get there.

The Father is sovereign over all.

"The Lord's Prayer"
- The Father's Will
- The Father's Kingdom
- The Father's Power
- The Father's Glory

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.

John 14:8-9
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 12:45
“And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me."

John 10:30
“I and My Father are one.”


The realization that Jesus IS God comes through a process called deduction.

Only a perfect person (ie- God) could fulfill the requirements of the Law to serve as our sacrifice and open the way of salvation to all believers.

If you do not have a perfect sacrifice, then you have the wrong Jesus, your belief is in vain and you are still in your sins. [You are NOT Born Again]

The great Prophet Isaiah spoke of Jesus in his book.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Please do not diminish the Lord Jesus .. there is another one on this thread doing the same thing. It is heresy.

PS - This is great instruction for the new believer/1st time bible reader. Attacks are directed at Jesus of Nazerath by those not of His fold. Learn to defend the faith!

Jude 1:3
Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints

Salvation of the lost is our common goal, Brother or Sister. (or should be our goal)

Many groups and individuals are set out there like traps to the new believer. Cults galore.
If you care for the newly faithful, you will help them.

To not respond and defend the faith is not 'earnestly contending' in my world.

Jude 1:3
Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints

I exhort you in the name of Jesus of Nazerath to contend earnestly for the faith which was delivered once and for all to the church which is His body.

Don't allow the devil and his demons to thwart the new christians journey with Christ!

For example:

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved

The term 'Lord':

Lord is an appellation for a person or deity who has authority, control, or power over others, acting as a master, a chief, or a ruler.

God didn't leave heaven.
He SENT His SON.
Bad trinitarian translation.

Son OF God in the flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16 is another verse that has been "manipulated" in newer manuscripts.

The oldest ones have "HE (meaning Jesus) was manifested"...not "God".

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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God's (the Father's) WORD was manifested in the flesh..."into Jesus"...and sent to us by the Father.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

LASTLY - MOST of the Apostles EVER had ANY experiences with the Father, so they had NO WAY to "compare" the Father and the Son..

ONLY those at Jesus' Baptism would have. AND Peter, James and John, at the Transfiguration - who only heard His voice.

And Jesus FORBADE them to tell ANYONE about it.

John 5:23 "call me master or lord".

Jesus NEVER says "call me God".
No Apostle writes...
..."believe that Jesus IS God for Salvation".

ALL the verses posted above say "Son OF God".

Ahhh .. the old 'question God's Word' attack?
Pathetic.
You can trust the Word of God.

What part of:
God was manifested in the flesh
do you not understand?

It is reinforced by Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace

Another 'translation' error uh???

Which 'translation' do you use .. the New World 'translation'? The Witnesses use that heretical doctored blasphemous document.

If you believe He is not God, then your Jesus cannot save you.
I answered this above, but you seem to be at a loss to combat truth with your errors.

Please stop leading new christians astray with your blasphemy about Jesus.

Numerous times in scripture He received the worship of men and angels.
You have yet to grasp what worship means ...
One worships GOD.

"If you believe He is not God, then your Jesus cannot save you."
Show me the verse that says that.
You can't.
It doesn't exist.
Here's the verses that tell us what to believe.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 17:21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

It requires basic deductive reasoning skills.
And the ability to read.

The KEY word above is "called"
It does NOT say...."he will BE" or "he IS".

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