BIBLE READ-THROUGH: Day 1 (GENESIS 1-28:22): Reflection and Discussion

At Thomas' conversation, these words were uttered:

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

That was easy, wasn't it?

Why are you not calling Him this then??

Not TOLD - WARNED. Warned that the environment they were living in would destroy them if they stayed. TOLD sounds as if God makes arbitrary commandments just to show his power

Last Edited by Tess. on 07/25/2021 12:38 AM

Because YOU say so?
Because other so-called theologians SAY so?

NOPE.
Jesus didn't say it.
The Apostles didn't say it.

It's your manmade theology.

Same thing really.
God to Noah...
..."build the boat - or you will die".

God to Abraham...
..."take your family and LEAVE that pagan city"

Then who is Jesus (to you), if not God?

Don't say 'The Son of God', because that is saying the same thing as He is God.

It is clear that the Apostles knew He was God.

Again, why did He receive the worship of men and angels?

Because He is God!

How is it you folks mention John 20:28 but ignore what John states in verse 31..."Son of God".

The passage is about how Thomas refused to believe that the other Apostles had seen the "resurrected" Jesus.
And notice what John states in verse 31.

John 20

28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;

31 but these are written that you may believe

that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,

and that believing you may have life in His name.

Thomas says Jesus is "my God". NOT "Jesus IS God".
Jesus NEVER says "I am God".
NONE of the Apostles say "Jesus is God".

Did Jesus LIE when He said....

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God came to us incarnate as Christ.

How else do you think He could have done it?

SON OF God

"Son of God" is used 46 times in the New Testament.

"God the Son"??? ZERO times.

"God Jesus"??? ZERO times.

Matthew 16

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou
art Peter, and upon this rock I will build
my church; and the gates of hell shall not
prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of
the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound
in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt
loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that
they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Do you think Father God Almighty would cease being Father God Almighty

if He came to us incarnate in the flesh as one of us among us also?

Do you think God can't?

He didn't.
God SENT His SON.
What part of what Jesus says is it that you
REFUSE to believe?????????

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,

that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

And yet there it is:
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

God, not Son of God
[as if that were somehow less-than-God]

But Jesus is called God.
Also the Son of God.

Obviously the two Titles are equivalent.

The word "sent" occurs 130 times in 125 verses in Matthew thru John in the KJV.

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Jesus SPECIFICALLY states that He was "SENT" 47 times

Matthew 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mark 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Luke 9:48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.

John 7:29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.

John 7:33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.

John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

John 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you

That's exactly what this Oneness Pentecostal believes.

That God can't do it.

Silly, isn't it?

He'll argue for days about this too.

NOPE. Only in your trinitarian mind.
It's NOT what Jesus SAID.

Jesus said the Father is "The only TRUE God"

John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee
the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

.....

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.
Does God have a god? NOPE. The SON OF God has a God.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;
for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

.....

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will
I make a pillar in the temple of my God,
and he shall go no more out: and I will write
upon him the name of my God,
and the name of the city of my God,
which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of
heaven from my God: and I will write upon
him my new name

BTW - He'll never answer the question as to why Jesus received worship while on earth.

That boxes him into admitting that Jesus Christ is God.

It's funny how you "Jesus is God" folks are always claiming to have the Holy Spirit - yet you can't even understand basic understanding of scripture and the rammifications of your faulty "Jesus is God" doctrine?

"God" has to learn???

John 5:19 & John 8:28

5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

"God" doesn't know when He will return?

Matthew 24:36

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

"God" gives thanks to Himself?

Luke 10:21 & John 11:41-42

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

"God" sits at God's right hand?

Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:61-62

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 14

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

"God" is 'GIVEN' authority?

Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

"God" tells God what to say????

John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


"God" prays to Himself?

Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17

You see here that he does not believe Jesus is God, but cannot explain why Jesus received worship.

His Jesus is not the real One.

Father God SENT Jesus. (47 times in the 4 Gospels)

Father God TAUGHT Jesus. John 5:19 & John 8:28

Father God TOLD Jesus what to say. John 12:49-50

Father God has commited judgement to the Son. John 5:22

Father God commanded Jesus to raise His own body. John 10:18

Father God GAVE Jesus power to forgive sins. Mark 2:10

Father God GAVE Jesus power over heaven and earth. Matthew 28:18

Father God GAVE Jesus glory. John 12:28 and John 17

Father God GAVE Jesus power over all flesh. John 17:2

Father God GAVE Jesus commandment to raise His own body. John 10:18

Father God GAVE Jesus commandment what to say. John 12:49

Father God GAVE Jesus "All things into his hand" John 3:35

Father God EXALTED Jesus Acts 2:33

I posted this 2 pages back.
You just keep refusing to accept it.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

STILL not an explanation as to why Jesus received worship while on earth.
LOL. Your theology is flawed.

SON OF God

"Son of God" is used 46 times in the New Testament.

"God the Son"??? ZERO times.

"God Jesus"??? ZERO times.

One does not worship honorable men.

One worships God and God alone.

That's one of the big 10 Commandments.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

God was incarnated as a man.

Thus Son of Man and Son of God Titles.

Key word is GOD was incarnated.

Jesus was with God from the beginning, thus the Trinitarian nature of God is revealed.

Thank You!

Believe me, that nut is on EVERY thread about the Bible touting his Jesus is not God trash.

It is a demonic entity seeking to steer folks away from salvation.

Something not right about someone who seeks to cut down Jesus every chance he gets ...

The purpose of this thread is to discuss our assigned reading for the day.

Today's reading is Exodus 5-Exodus 31:18.

Let's thank our OP for her generosity and grace in not only initiating this 40 day and night Bible reading, but also for this thread that is meant to bless us, encourage us, and edify us.

May we bless and encourage the OP, and each other as well.

"Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity." -Psalm 133:1