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2XSecretAgent
(OP) User ID: 325248 United States 01/09/2008 01:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's how I feel about it too, 2X. Quoting: Mister ObviousNothing surprises me at this point. But just by virtue of TRYING... I'm still gonna vote for Paul. I don't think I'll waste my time. I gave up hope of even trying to accomplish anything through voting after the 2004 elections. Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. ------- There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. ------- Contact: [email protected] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 284299 United States 01/09/2008 01:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with 2X. We either have paper ballots, hand counted in public, or it's not going to change. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 352477 United States 01/09/2008 01:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are right, this country is not salvageable. It has been sold to the highest bidder. While I am generally optimistic, it seems all hope is lost. The people are not in control of this country any longer. It is going to take something HUGE and I mean HUGE to wake the people of this country up and get them to realize the truth. |
2XSecretAgent
(OP) User ID: 325248 United States 01/09/2008 01:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was lost more than 8 years ago. The book Votescam documents rigged elections in Florida when janet Reno was a DA in Miami. It's pretty well known that Illinios was rigged for JFK. Now, it's been streamlined with computers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284299I agree with 2X. We either have paper ballots, hand counted in public, or it's not going to change. Returning to paper ballots won't save things now. Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. ------- There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. ------- Contact: [email protected] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 352451 United States 01/09/2008 01:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ron Paul isnt the asnwer either. He is running to buy them more time until things are so far along that its to late to do anything. All you energy is going into trying to fix an evil system from the inside instead of overthrowing it and really making a difference. The only rational course at this point is true revolution and a total overthrow. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 302574 United States 01/09/2008 01:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was lost more than 8 years ago. The book Votescam documents rigged elections in Florida when janet Reno was a DA in Miami. It's pretty well known that Illinios was rigged for JFK. Now, it's been streamlined with computers. Quoting: 2XSecretAgentI agree with 2X. We either have paper ballots, hand counted in public, or it's not going to change. Returning to paper ballots won't save things now. Why not? |
Satiric Axiom
User ID: 292560 United States 01/09/2008 01:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was right there with you until,8 years ago... We The People need to move beyond the polarization,in my not so humble opinion. There are the elite & elect and then there's Us. Maybe we could enjoy one another more on the ground while they rape Us All. "It isn't about what you & I think, it's about what is." |
2XSecretAgent
(OP) User ID: 325248 United States 01/09/2008 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While there was certainly voter fraud before 2000 - that's the year that changed everything in the electoral process as we know it. There isn't even an effort to hide the stealing of elections now. It's carried out in public - right in front of us. And we sit by and watch our tvs, wringing our hands over it. Then everyone goes out and votes in the next election, and gets more involved, sends in more money - determined they won't let it happen again... As if the more people who vote, then maybe "they" won't have the balls to "do it again". It's laughable really. It's going to take a lot more than voting again to bring about the change that is needed. Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. ------- There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. ------- Contact: [email protected] |
2XSecretAgent
(OP) User ID: 325248 United States 01/09/2008 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was lost more than 8 years ago. The book Votescam documents rigged elections in Florida when janet Reno was a DA in Miami. It's pretty well known that Illinios was rigged for JFK. Now, it's been streamlined with computers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302574I agree with 2X. We either have paper ballots, hand counted in public, or it's not going to change. Returning to paper ballots won't save things now. Why not? Do you realize how fucked the system is? Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. ------- There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. ------- Contact: [email protected] |
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2XSecretAgent
(OP) User ID: 325248 United States 01/09/2008 01:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why even vote... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 352489Exactly. We've got thread after thread with everyone all invested in who gets how many votes - as if it really means anything! Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. ------- There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. ------- Contact: [email protected] |
Evil Twin
User ID: 106002 United States 01/09/2008 01:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why even vote... Quoting: 2XSecretAgentExactly. We've got thread after thread with everyone all invested in who gets how many votes - as if it really means anything! If you really feel that way, there's really only one option left. Soap box...done Ballot box...done Jury box...apparently can't be done due to boxes 1&2 Cartridge box... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 352489 Finland 01/09/2008 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why even vote... Quoting: 2XSecretAgentExactly. We've got thread after thread with everyone all invested in who gets how many votes - as if it really means anything! it´s big business for the candidates to lure money into their bandwagon... i have never voted, but still am interested in the "game". |
2XSecretAgent
(OP) User ID: 325248 United States 01/09/2008 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Depends on the cartridge you are talking about... Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. ------- There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. ------- Contact: [email protected] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 351789 United States 01/09/2008 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The elections before that were stolen were done while things were still good and people didn't want to admit how rotten things are. This time around you have many people hurting and pissed off. |
2XSecretAgent
(OP) User ID: 325248 United States 01/09/2008 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can't wake people up unless you can force the powers that be to steal the elections and then be able to prove it. I think you'll find that there are many more people watching and recording everything that happens in this election. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351789The elections before that were stolen were done while things were still good and people didn't want to admit how rotten things are. This time around you have many people hurting and pissed off. I thought this was the case 4 years ago. Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. ------- There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. ------- Contact: [email protected] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 351789 United States 01/09/2008 02:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought this was the case 4 years ago. Quoting: 2XSecretAgentEconomy was too good. Not enough pissed off people. Plus the young people have had it with fighting fraud wars. They know if we go to war with Iran there will have to be a draft because no one is stupid enough to volunteer any more knowing that the claim we are fighting for democracy is total BS. |
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Satiric Axiom
User ID: 292560 United States 01/09/2008 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Exactly. Quoting: 2XSecretAgentWe've got thread after thread with everyone all invested in who gets how many votes - as if it really means anything! Don't stay discouraged Secret Agent,we have our lives and you your daughter and another if i remember correctly. "It isn't about what you & I think, it's about what is." |
2XSecretAgent
(OP) User ID: 325248 United States 01/09/2008 02:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Depends on the cartridge you are talking about... Quoting: Evil TwinToner cartridge. Tyrants hate getting ink on their suits! If you could rally 1 million people to march on Capitol Hill with toner cartridges, the vermin would run and hide. My cartridges can really mess up a suit, that's for sure. Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. ------- There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. ------- Contact: [email protected] |