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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79738597 Netherlands 07/31/2021 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Repeating the obvious: If you are vaccinated, the un-vaxxed are not a problem for you. If anyone claims the ones without the jab are a threat, the shot is not a vax, and those who do not have the shot are lucky. Why get the jab if you still have to fear those who do not have it? Clearly the jab does nothing then, the pushers have formulated a fabulous lie for a shot that does nothing they claim it does. IF THAT SHOT WORKED AND THERE REALLY WAS A LEGIT OUTBREAK IT WAS STOPPING, NO ONE WOULD BE A THREAT TO THE VAXXED, VAXXED OR NOT. THAT IS WHAT A VAX IS FOR. The claim un-vaxxed are a threat to the vaxxed proves it is a con. If the shot confers immunity only after 100 percent of everyone has it, the shot is an agenda and nothing more. A legit vax means you can walk among completely infected people with no protection whatsoever and get nothing at all. I guess common core did it's job, people are stupid now. THE JABBED WERE MERELY STUPID ENOUGH TO GET A SHOT THAT DOES NOTHING IT CLAIMS IF THOSE WITHOUT THE SHOT ARE STILL A PROBLEM. How stupid could people possibly be to go along with this crap? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2272340 United States 07/31/2021 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: TXP I've yet to see or read about even one test indicating a person's actual "viral load". So, since you believe this is a critical data point, and it should be for all infections, please provide us with all the testing data that indicates specific, quantitative viral load amounts in the infected and, comparatively, the non-infected. Because, my god, we are 18 months out now, this data should be plenty. I'll wait. A properly calibrated and administered PCR test CAN show a ballpark estimate of viral load. After experimentation with a particular virus, you could calibrate the cycles to only register a positive when the person has approximately between "x and y" presence of virus in the test area. Or you can calibrate it to test positive if the person has a ton of virus, or practically zero (fragment of a single dead virus). The reason why people who are freshly vaxxed are showing high viral load but no symptoms is b/c that is what you would expect to see in a person who is beginning to show signs of ADE. Their load builds and builds as antibodies attach to the virus but do not neutralize it. It takes longer for those antibody attached viruses to finally bind to their target cells and dump their load. But they eventually do and then all hell breaks loose. The good thing is that the antibody levels fall off drastically over the 6 month period after the jabs. So if the jabbed encounters the virus 6 months out, they will not get as much ADE. But their natural immune response is confused due to the memory of the fake spike antibodies, so they can't combat the SARS-2 virus very well naturally, and so they are more likely to suffer true COVID symptoms. Bad either way for the jabbed. says who? Me. and I wasn't writing for you. Only for those who know my investigative research chops by my user name. I could care less what anyone else "believes" about what I write Well, that's a good thing. |
Augmentalist
User ID: 80512563 United States 07/31/2021 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Again, It's a single layer of self protection. Coupled with other layers, such as frequent hygiene and distance precautions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2272340 Masks limit the number of droplets that come from the mouth. The virus moves from person to person on droplets. The less viral load, the better our bodies deal with infection. You people seem to love to oversimplify subjects you obviously don't fully understand. I've yet to see or read about even one test indicating a person's actual "viral load". So, since you believe this is a critical data point, and it should be for all infections, please provide us with all the testing data that indicates specific, quantitative viral load amounts in the infected and, comparatively, the non-infected. Because, my god, we are 18 months out now, this data should be plenty. I'll wait. A properly calibrated and administered PCR test CAN show a ballpark estimate of viral load. Or you can calibrate it to test positive if the person has a ton of virus, or practically zero (fragment of a single dead virus). The reason why people who are freshly vaxxed are showing high viral load but no symptoms is b/c that is what you would expect to see in a person who is beginning to show signs of ADE. Their load builds and builds as antibodies attach to the virus but do not neutralize it. It takes longer for those antibody attached viruses to finally bind to their target cells and dump their load. But they eventually do and then all hell breaks loose. The good thing is that the antibody levels fall off drastically over the 6 month period after the jabs. So if the jabbed encounters the virus 6 months out, they will not get as much ADE. But their natural immune response is confused due to the memory of the fake spike antibodies, so they can't combat the SARS-2 virus very well naturally, and so they are more likely to suffer true COVID symptoms. Bad either way for the jabbed. I stopped after your first sentence. I'm not interested in estimations with a method never intended for diagnoses (and now bastardized), and FFGD sake, certainly not "estimating viral loads" by which you then convince yourselves it's hard and/or clean data. Viral load is a hard measure. Give me the actual number if you plan to use the data to diagnose, treat, create public health policies, mandates, shut down economies, destroy lives and otherwise violate human rights. Who the fuck has been training scientists the last two decades? WTF is wrong with people's ability for critical thought? Have the pathways to the prefrontal cortex been destroyed? There's simply not enough tequila in the supply chain for this bullshit. Look, I am against almost all iron age allopathic medicine as it is practiced. I am not suggesting that anyone should use estimated viral loads to create any policy or advance any pharmaceutical as treatment and I think vaccines are shit. I have been in the natural health and nutrition field for 30 years and only recommend specific natural substances, vitamins and minerals, and rarely a drug based strictly off an herb, root, or bark that has very low side effect. But I also recognize the truth. Scientists in the medical field have used PCR to estimate viral load and it is not that far off as a measure. It is what it is. Augmented by Grace |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80681093 United Kingdom 07/31/2021 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the jabbed were stupid enough to take it even though it never claimed to provide immunity. "here take this!" "huh? duh okay, if the TV says so" they never even asked what it did, or did not do... they never asked, they never investigated to answer your question; very very very stupid. or to be more fair, distracted, naive, ignorant and likely come cold/flu season extremely ill or dead. |
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User ID: 80383054 United States 07/31/2021 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look, I am against almost all iron age allopathic medicine as it is practiced. I am not suggesting that anyone should use estimated viral loads to create any policy or advance any pharmaceutical as treatment and I think vaccines are shit. I have been in the natural health and nutrition field for 30 years and only recommend specific natural substances, vitamins and minerals, and rarely a drug based strictly off an herb, root, or bark that has very low side effect. Quoting: Augmentalist But I also recognize the truth. Scientists in the medical field have used PCR to estimate viral load and it is not that far off as a measure. It is what it is. No, it's not "it is what it is" any more than the false claim that vitamin d3 will not aid in the biochem of one's immune system or any more than the absolute horseshit claim the biomechanism of these injections clinically or legally qualify them as "vaccines." An "it is what is" (bandwagon) mindset is exactly how we arrived in this spot. So, pertaining to your claimed "truth" statements in your last para, please present the overwhelming data evidence from the many peer-reviewed and replicated studies to support that PCR estimates are "not that far off as a measure" of actual viral load...for, well, anything. . Last Edited by TXP on 07/31/2021 01:30 PM . "Stop the lockdown. Stop the masks. Stick your vaccine up your ass." - Tess....AMEN! "What does CENSORSHIP reveal? It reveals FEAR." - Julian Assange . |
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User ID: 80512563 United States 07/31/2021 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look, I am against almost all iron age allopathic medicine as it is practiced. I am not suggesting that anyone should use estimated viral loads to create any policy or advance any pharmaceutical as treatment and I think vaccines are shit. I have been in the natural health and nutrition field for 30 years and only recommend specific natural substances, vitamins and minerals, and rarely a drug based strictly off an herb, root, or bark that has very low side effect. Quoting: Augmentalist But I also recognize the truth. Scientists in the medical field have used PCR to estimate viral load and it is not that far off as a measure. It is what it is. No, it's not "it is what it is" any more than the false claim that vitamin d3 will not aid in the biochem of one's immune system or any more than the absolute horseshit claim the biomechanism of these injections clinically or legally qualify them as "vaccines." An "it is what is" (bandwagon) mindset is exactly how we arrived in this spot. So, pertaining to your claimed "truth" statements in your last para, please present the overwhelming data evidence from the many peer-reviewed and replicated studies to support that PCR estimates are "not that far off as a measure" of actual viral load...for, well, anything. I don't make false claims. If the intro/abstract is not enough, the full paper is below for your perusal. Introduction Over the last 15 years, PCR has become an essential part of most laboratories involved in biomedical research. PCR amplification turns a few attograms of a specific fragment of nucleic acid (far too little to be analyzed directly or used in biochemical reactions) into as much as a microgram of DNA. Everyone has heard the "quantitative PCR is an oxymoron" joke, and it is not without some truth. By nature, an exponential amplification is not ideally suited to quantification. Small differences in amplification efficiency between samples can become huge differences in results when they are amplified through 40 doublings. Anyone working with quantitative PCR who forgets this fact is in danger of making mistakes that are measured in orders of magnitude. Nonetheless, the years 1991-1998 saw a 10-fold increase in the number of papers using quantitative PCR methods. Why then the continuing increase in the use of quantitative PCR? It has a sensitivity five orders of magnitude better than the best blotting procedures and a dynamic range of 10 orders of magnitude. This unsurpassable sensitivity and range has made the work of turning PCR into a quantitative tool worthwhile [IJ. Quantitative PCR A PCR reaction profile can be thought of as having three segments: an early background phase, an exponential growth phase (or log phase) and a plateau. The background phase lasts until the signal from the pcR product is greater than the background signal of the system. The exponential growth phase begins when sufficient product has accumulated to be detected above background, and ends when the reaction efficiency falls as the reaction enters the plateau. rest at link [link to link.springer.com (secure)] OOPS, LOOKS LIKE YOU ONLY GET A 2 PAGE PREVIEW OF THE 9 PAGE STUDY. THIS LINK ( [link to link.springer.com (secure)] HAS THE 2 PAGE PREVIEW EMBEDDED, AS WELL AS THE REFERENCES. THE ORIGINAL LINK ABOVE IS FOR THE PDF TO THE 9 PAGE REPORT WITH ONLY 2 PAGES AVAILABLE WITHOUT SUBSCRIPTION. Last Edited by Augmentalist on 07/31/2021 02:03 PM Augmented by Grace |
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User ID: 79445545 United States 07/31/2021 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea, it made half the population think they are now "safe", but actually they became unknowing superspreaders of a more contagious mutated strain of covid along with an immune system that is failing/will fail them in future sickness Quoting: 1-2-Follow The future aint looking so good and they cant even admit the mistake they made The antimaskers were the super spreaders when we were told we could take the masks off if vaccinated. Unvaccinated morons thought it would be funny if they pretended to be vaccinated, and took off the masks, that hurt them so much to wear. We shall have to see which people require more medical care. I don't honestly mind if I infected an antivaxer. This little experiment AGAIN has proven that the right wing gullibility is obvious. Only a complete imbecile such as yourself would believe that a mask would stop or even slow down a virus. Again, It's a single layer of self protection. Coupled with other layers, such as frequent hygiene and distance precautions. Masks limit the number of droplets that come from the mouth. The virus moves from person to person on droplets. The less viral load, the better our bodies deal with infection. You people seem to love to oversimplify subjects you obviously don't fully understand. Yea, it made half the population think they are now "safe", but actually they became unknowing superspreaders of a more contagious mutated strain of covid along with an immune system that is failing/will fail them in future sickness Quoting: 1-2-Follow The future aint looking so good and they cant even admit the mistake they made The antimaskers were the super spreaders when we were told we could take the masks off if vaccinated. Unvaccinated morons thought it would be funny if they pretended to be vaccinated, and took off the masks, that hurt them so much to wear. We shall have to see which people require more medical care. I don't honestly mind if I infected an antivaxer. This little experiment AGAIN has proven that the right wing gullibility is obvious. Only a complete imbecile such as yourself would believe that a mask would stop or even slow down a virus. Again, It's a single layer of self protection. Coupled with other layers, such as frequent hygiene and distance precautions. Masks limit the number of droplets that come from the mouth. The virus moves from person to person on droplets. The less viral load, the better our bodies deal with infection. You people seem to love to oversimplify subjects you obviously don't fully understand. Thanks. Youre actually making my point but are too stupid to understand The vaxxed people now think they are safe and were told they cant spread it They went on vacations and didnt mask/social distance, to packed bars and restaurants, to sporting events under the assumption they were the "good" safe ones and the unvaxxed were the "bad" ones Now they tell you with the delta variant the vaxxed have been spreading it as equally as if they hadnt been vaxxed Therefore you are a bunch of unknowing superspreaders and a danger to socitey with your reckless behavior Articles and "news" from liberal media shall now be known as catnip for libtards. Truth is schilling in the empire of retards. "Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845 *PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ® Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried. |
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User ID: 79445545 United States 07/31/2021 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I dont hate you or blame you for being in denial that you have been superspreading the delta variant and infecting everyone You were lied to by your "experts" you trusted You should know better, but i do not blame you and i hope the vaccine doesnt affect your immune system down the road like i assume it will Of course, if you go get more "boosters", then your just asking for more disappointment in the future. But keep pretending youre a "hero" Last Edited by 1-2-Follow on 07/31/2021 02:35 PM Articles and "news" from liberal media shall now be known as catnip for libtards. Truth is schilling in the empire of retards. "Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845 *PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ® Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80383054 United States 07/31/2021 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't make false claims. Quoting: Augmentalist If the intro/abstract is not enough, the full paper is below for your perusal. Introduction Over the last 15 years, PCR has become an essential part of most laboratories involved in biomedical research. PCR amplification turns a few attograms of a specific fragment of nucleic acid (far too little to be analyzed directly or used in biochemical reactions) into as much as a microgram of DNA. Everyone has heard the "quantitative PCR is an oxymoron" joke, and it is not without some truth. By nature, an exponential amplification is not ideally suited to quantification. Small differences in amplification efficiency between samples can become huge differences in results when they are amplified through 40 doublings. Anyone working with quantitative PCR who forgets this fact is in danger of making mistakes that are measured in orders of magnitude. Nonetheless, the years 1991-1998 saw a 10-fold increase in the number of papers using quantitative PCR methods. Why then the continuing increase in the use of quantitative PCR? It has a sensitivity five orders of magnitude better than the best blotting procedures and a dynamic range of 10 orders of magnitude. This unsurpassable sensitivity and range has made the work of turning PCR into a quantitative tool worthwhile [IJ. Quantitative PCR A PCR reaction profile can be thought of as having three segments: an early background phase, an exponential growth phase (or log phase) and a plateau. The background phase lasts until the signal from the pcR product is greater than the background signal of the system. The exponential growth phase begins when sufficient product has accumulated to be detected above background, and ends when the reaction efficiency falls as the reaction enters the plateau. rest at link [link to link.springer.com (secure)] OOPS, LOOKS LIKE YOU ONLY GET A 2 PAGE PREVIEW OF THE 9 PAGE STUDY. THIS LINK ( [link to link.springer.com (secure)] HAS THE 2 PAGE PREVIEW EMBEDDED, AS WELL AS THE REFERENCES. THE ORIGINAL LINK ABOVE IS FOR THE PDF TO THE 9 PAGE REPORT WITH ONLY 2 PAGES AVAILABLE WITHOUT SUBSCRIPTION. You are kidding, right? The following is the abstract from your first link. The second link is dead, and the text you provided is, indeed, only an intro position statement of the author(s) concerning PCR method, which includes a disclaimer: "Everyone has heard the 'quantitative PCR is an oxymoron' joke, and it is not without some truth. By nature, an exponential amplification is not ideally suited to quantification." "Abstract Over the last 15 years, PCR has become an essential part of most laboratories involved in biomedical research. PCR amplification turns a few attograms of a specific fragment of nucleic acid (far too little to be analyzed directly or used in biochemical reactions) into as much as a microgram of DNA." This is the support evidence for your accuracy claim of PCR estimates when compared to actual viral loads? A white paper with a two sentence "abstract", which, of course, doesn't even meet APA reporting standards. I'm seeking experimental/clinical and replication study data to support your claim. Cheers! . |
TXP
User ID: 80383054 United States 07/31/2021 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are kidding, right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80383054 The following is the abstract from your first link. The second link is dead, and the text you provided is, indeed, only an intro position statement of the author(s) concerning PCR method, which includes a disclaimer: "Everyone has heard the 'quantitative PCR is an oxymoron' joke, and it is not without some truth. By nature, an exponential amplification is not ideally suited to quantification." "Abstract Over the last 15 years, PCR has become an essential part of most laboratories involved in biomedical research. PCR amplification turns a few attograms of a specific fragment of nucleic acid (far too little to be analyzed directly or used in biochemical reactions) into as much as a microgram of DNA." This is the support evidence for your accuracy claim of PCR estimates when compared to actual viral loads? A white paper with a two sentence "abstract", which, of course, doesn't even meet APA reporting standards. I'm seeking experimental/clinical and replication study data to support your claim. Cheers! . My response. ^^^ Cheers! . "Stop the lockdown. Stop the masks. Stick your vaccine up your ass." - Tess....AMEN! "What does CENSORSHIP reveal? It reveals FEAR." - Julian Assange . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80660159 Denmark 07/31/2021 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75551799 Yes it does. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80682166 The vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid 19 It lessens the impact of the symptoms and stops you ending up on a hospital bed waiting to die. I think you need to learn a bit more about medicine then jumping to conclusions based on an article from the Daily Mail. I hope all those who are unvaxxed and refusing to get vaxxed get covid 19. Then it'll be good to ask them after how they feel What you're describing is a therapeutic (symptom reliever) and not a vaccine. Maybe you're the one who needs to learn about medicine. A vaccine is to immunize you from getting a disease in the first place. It's not to make you feel better once you have the disease. And if the "vaccine" is really a symptom reliever then there is no need (or legal basis) to mandate it across the entire population as it has no bearing on getting or transmitting the disease. It's a personal choice much like taking Robitussin. Robitussin may decrease the cough from your pneumonia but that's about it. It doesn't address the pneumonia. Uhmm variants .... You heard of them Narrow minded people |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78659327 Austria 07/31/2021 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75551799 Yes it does. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80682166 The vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid 19 It lessens the impact of the symptoms and stops you ending up on a hospital bed waiting to die. I think you need to learn a bit more about medicine then jumping to conclusions based on an article from the Daily Mail. I hope all those who are unvaxxed and refusing to get vaxxed get covid 19. Then it'll be good to ask them after how they feel What you're describing is a therapeutic (symptom reliever) and not a vaccine. Maybe you're the one who needs to learn about medicine. A vaccine is to immunize you from getting a disease in the first place. It's not to make you feel better once you have the disease. And if the "vaccine" is really a symptom reliever then there is no need (or legal basis) to mandate it across the entire population as it has no bearing on getting or transmitting the disease. It's a personal choice much like taking Robitussin. Robitussin may decrease the cough from your pneumonia but that's about it. It doesn't address the pneumonia. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80660159 Denmark 08/02/2021 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75551799 Yes it does. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80682166 The vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid 19 It lessens the impact of the symptoms and stops you ending up on a hospital bed waiting to die. I think you need to learn a bit more about medicine then jumping to conclusions based on an article from the Daily Mail. I hope all those who are unvaxxed and refusing to get vaxxed get covid 19. Then it'll be good to ask them after how they feel What you're describing is a therapeutic (symptom reliever) and not a vaccine. Maybe you're the one who needs to learn about medicine. A vaccine is to immunize you from getting a disease in the first place. It's not to make you feel better once you have the disease. And if the "vaccine" is really a symptom reliever then there is no need (or legal basis) to mandate it across the entire population as it has no bearing on getting or transmitting the disease. It's a personal choice much like taking Robitussin. Robitussin may decrease the cough from your pneumonia but that's about it. It doesn't address the pneumonia. Uhmm variants .... You heard of them Narrow minded people |