Are you convinced heaven and hell are places ?

Our "reality" is illusory in nature. You are an immortal spirit experiencing time and space in a "physical" body you have created with thought.

heaven is both within you... the being growing consciousness... and a place. billions of places actually... at some point you leave earth and move forward. Where is that forward? There is actually so to speak a stair case to HAVONA .. .the highest heaven with 1 billion worlds at the center of creation... I took that journey and part of my work on this planet is to share this truth... this is not a prison ward for much longer. You are to know and comprehend something of the life eternal you choose to take.

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Urantia book is full of lies

Is it all 3D physical, just very far away? That’s the impression I get from the Urantia idea of mansion worlds.

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If the meaning of " heaven " is " of water ", then I have to point out that the red crown of lower Egypt, the deshret ( Crown of the land of lawlessness ) is in Egyptian language hieroglyphs eventually was used as the vertical letter "n" . The original "n" hieroglyph from the Predynastic Period, and the Old Kingdom was the sign depictingripples of water.

This is because three ripples of water was written with the name of an Egyptian king ( a god ) as a silent determinative, which makes the Egyptian convention equivalent in meaning to the Sumerian " an " heaven ( of water ) that was also written next to the names of deified kings ( gods )

Thus, the little " horn " notation for divinity that's written over the number 666 in New Testament manuscripts is equivalent to the Egyptian and Mesopotamian writing conventions

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There's no other way to explain the predominant use of the color red in the Bible without turning to the Egyptian priestly use of the color in writing sacred texts and acknowledging that they were somehow able to calculate that red is approximately 666 nanometers in wavelength

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This is so simple, they are SPIRITUAL "places."

NOPE. you're getting that crap from urantia book which is not real. and paradise isle is where wonder woman is from

The AC is correct you are doing exactly what you claim others are doing. worse actually.

the urantia book wasn't "given" to this world, it is channeled crap that doesn't do anything but deceive.
and NO candace you are not from "paradise" your shit still stinks like everyone elses. never forget that FACT.

Yeah, pretty much. And the earth and it's foibles are smack dab in-between.

Heaven and Hell are state of mind.

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You expect me to believe they are places when the language used in the NT manuscripts says they are not

It's all an allegory for connection to the source or "god". Hell is to be without connection and Heaven is the source that binds all.

Not sure where Heaven is, but I'm pretty sure San Francisco is Hell.

Jesus said, the kingdom of heaving is within you.

What he meant is that you are IT, you only need to recognize who you really are.

When you live according to who you really are, you are in heaven and when you live according to your ego, you are in hell.

Heaven is both a place and a state - of being with God in His presence.

Hell is both a place and a state of being eternally separated from God.

It’s where your soul/sport shall spend eternity. Remember child of God, it’s your choice to seek him, learn to pray, and learn the Bible.

If not, then you will be one of many of the masses to burn in hell. Or be a wondering lost spirit on the other side.

The fact that you question God or the Bible means to me, you don’t have any real faith or a relationship with God.

Humans have it so twisted and it’s not even funny, but it’s their choice.

Hell and heaven are places and this is evil, right ?

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Yeah sure

Ezekiel 32:7
When I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and make its stars dark. I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon won’t give its light.

Psalm 8:3
When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have ordained;

Revelation 12:1
A great sign was seen in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.


2 Corinthians 12:2
I know a man in Christ who was caught up into the third heaven fourteen years ago—whether in the body, I don’t know, or whether out of the body, I don’t know; God knows.

Revelation 11:12
I heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” They went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies saw them.

everything is physical.. mansion worlds are 3rd Density. they are the first worlds in the staircase ... as such. You don't need toilets there.. isn't that nice.... all life lives on worlds.. or in craft. Angelic life included.

Earth is 2nd Density now 4d consciousnessl 2nd Density worlds bear life... first Density is suns and moons and all that.

heaven worlds are built.. from scratch ...

Gary Tonge has a nice image of building a sphere world.. the heaven worlds... but the sites have changed to much I can't find it tonight... I may have it on my computer......if so I will upload it but not tonight.

Mansion worlds to the one above who asked ... have more elements that evolutionary worlds like earth does...and a higher vibration of the matter...and do it goes up that stair case to Havona.

yeah there was some guy on TV said heaven is an actual place. I posted here, a LONG time ago, if heaven (or hell) is an actual place, then you can find it on a map and you can go there.
Idiots didn't know what I meant, they asked where the map was, and other stupid shit.

The Structure of the Heavens.

I guess many practical folk have long realized you can get almost no sense out of most religions when you ask about heaven. All that singing and harp plucking stuff that is supposed to go on, and strutting around on streets of gold. Or maybe the idea that you are going to be asleep until some great day of judgment. And particularly the notion that you will be magically, and instantly “perfect”.

It is far more logical to consider that since mortals have been around a very long time, probably over a million years on earth, that there has been a heaven all that time, with spirits in it. Certainly the holy books, like the Bible, happily report interactions with the spirit world going back many years before Jesus. Perhaps I should point out here, that the spirit realm that I am about to discuss would appear not to be the Kingdom of God that so many orthodox Christians expect to enter via Jesus’ help. This is undoubtedly the cause of a great deal of confusion, and even heartache. It is what has led so many Christians to conclude, incorrectly, that only they will get to “heaven” and everyone else will only get to “hell.” The real issue is “which” heaven, something they have not considered, even though a significant clue is given in the Bible that there may be more than one “heaven”, in a reference to the “third heaven” in the New Testament.
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Hell.

Let’s start by pointing out that the classic description of hell given by churches is very inaccurate. Fire and brimstone is not how things are. You will also find plenty of “new age” folk will deny there is any hell at all, no matter how it is constructed. They will tell you they have never had any feedback from the other side to suggest anything like it. They report that all spirits are loving and that there is only love. That may be so, mostly because very few spirits in hell are keen to admit this to loved ones on earth. It is also the case that folks who are able to astral travel, have reported that they cannot find a hell. That would be correct, since the Astral Plane does not contain hell. This is a part of the Spirit Spheres, and is not reachable if you are travelling in the astral.

Certainly there are not a great number of detailed reports of life in the darkest spheres, but there are enough to satisfy a determined researcher. I have personally worked with people who were seriously troubled by dark spirits, and my mother has also told me my sister is (or was) in darkness. And, once you understand how the universe works, there has to be a place where those who are seriously out of harmony reside until they learn. It is just inconceivable that God would suddenly make loving spirits out of those who have chosen to be unloving. No, our progress is entirely dependent upon ourselves. That is what it means to be a free will creature. We must create ourselves and the result is our responsibility. What is it like in hell?

Here is a description:

“In this hell of mine, and there are many like it, instead of beautiful homes, as the other spirits described, we have dirty, rotten hovels all crooked and decayed, with all the foul smells of a charnel house ten times intensified, and instead of beautiful lawns and green meadows and leafy woods filled with musical birds making the echoes ring with their songs, we have barren wastes, and holes of darkness and gloom and the cries and cursings of spirits of damnation without hope; and instead of living, silvery waters we have stagnant pools filled with all kinds of repulsive reptiles and vermin, and smells of inexpressible, nauseating stinks.…”

Perhaps we should not use the word hell, because it is not a permanent situation, although commonly believed to be so by its inhabitants. There is no eternal damnation. In fact there is no damnation at all. Hell is simply a place where dreadful spirits live, until they choose not to be dreadful. So how long could you be there then? It all depends on you. How low in the hells you are, and how soon you start to try to get out. Yes but how long? From feedback, there are two ways out, the normal way, which is pretty slow, and the short cut way.

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Jesus would be proud so many of you completely mangle the scriptures

The scriptures are not consistent about what hell is or even whether there is one. Pick the scriptures you like and ignore the ones that disagree with the ones you like. Pick a church denomination that focuses on the scriptures you like and ignores the rest. That’s the way to make the Bible make sense.