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Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room

 
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08/10/2021 12:04 PM
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Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
Anyone here that can advise?

We are replacing our hot water tank today after many years.

The tank has the normal pipe vent that is on the roof, that's not a concern but . .

On the exterior garage wall there are those two screen vents, one low to the ground and one about 5 feet higher.

What is striking me really off is when you go back inside and open the got water closet you can't even see these exterior vents because there is wood paneling in the hot water closet.

WTH?
Shouldn't those exterior vents be open and able to be seen from the inside of the closet where the tank is??

If so should I cut the paneling so the vents can be seen?

I'm in south Texas so I'm bout afraid of the tank getting cold but shouldn't those vents do more than just look nice from the outside?

I'm without water until I figure out wth the homebuilder did.

Huge thanks!
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08/10/2021 12:07 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
You have a appliance that’s enclosed in a small space. The but’s rating requires a certain amount of make up air for proper combustion.
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08/10/2021 12:08 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
You have a appliance that’s enclosed in a small space. The but’s rating requires a certain amount of make up air for proper combustion.
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08/10/2021 12:12 PM
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If you have a functional roof vent, you only need the lower covered vent operational to feed displacement of air from heat rising through the roof vent. In any case, consult your local code if you have any.
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08/10/2021 12:21 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
If the door has a vent on it, you are good.

But seriously, just get a tankless electric. That's what gets put on most new houses now. It will save you alot of money over putting back another gas one.
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08/10/2021 12:23 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
If it were electric, this would be non issue. You need to estimate the space of the room and how much fresh air can get into it for proper combustion for the natural gas. Most garages aren't air tight and most hot water closets have louvered doors for this purpose.
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
You have a appliance that’s enclosed in a small space. The but’s rating requires a certain amount of make up air for proper combustion.
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b.t.u.’s
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
If it were electric, this would be non issue. You need to estimate the space of the room and how much fresh air can get into it for proper combustion for the natural gas. Most garages aren't air tight and most hot water closets have louvered doors for this purpose.
 Quoting: rolltiderv2


Wanted to go electric but I don't care for lack of hot water if the power goes out and we have extreme lime alkaline water so I can't afford a salt system to keep an electric tank from getting limed up.

Plus we already bought the new gas tank, but thanks.
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08/10/2021 12:31 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
If you have a functional roof vent, you only need the lower covered vent operational to feed displacement of air from heat rising through the roof vent. In any case, consult your local code if you have any.
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Ok, thanks.
There is no door vent, maybe just an inch gap at the bottom but I do think it's as great idea to open just the bottom exterior vent.
We often get strong winds on that side of the house and i was concerned that if we open those exterior vents they might cause the pilot light to blow put on super windy days.

Is put a closet door vent in but am afraid in a gas leak situation is rather have the gas vent outside.
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08/10/2021 12:39 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
If it were electric, this would be non issue. You need to estimate the space of the room and how much fresh air can get into it for proper combustion for the natural gas. Most garages aren't air tight and most hot water closets have louvered doors for this purpose.
 Quoting: rolltiderv2


Wanted to go electric but I don't care for lack of hot water if the power goes out and we have extreme lime alkaline water so I can't afford a salt system to keep an electric tank from getting limed up.

Plus we already bought the new gas tank, but thanks.
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Tankless heaters are instant. Return the gas and get a refund.
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
Yes those vents need to be open in order to allow the exhaust vent to work properly and to reduce fumes within the closet along with fire prevention. Exploding water heating Tanks make a real big mess
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08/10/2021 12:46 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
Yes those vents need to be open in order to allow the exhaust vent to work properly and to reduce fumes within the closet along with fire prevention. Exploding water heating Tanks make a real big mess
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That's what i was thinking. Why put them in but then panel over them. Lazy ass home builder.
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
If it were electric, this would be non issue. You need to estimate the space of the room and how much fresh air can get into it for proper combustion for the natural gas. Most garages aren't air tight and most hot water closets have louvered doors for this purpose.
 Quoting: rolltiderv2


Wanted to go electric but I don't care for lack of hot water if the power goes out and we have extreme lime alkaline water so I can't afford a salt system to keep an electric tank from getting limed up.

Plus we already bought the new gas tank, but thanks.
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Tankless heaters are instant. Return the gas and get a refund.
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I know, one of our friends have tankless, last year in that freaky snow storm that lasted several days without power at least we had hot water.

If i had a salt system and a big backup whole house generator i'd love one.
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
It's probably ok with those vents closed, especially if they've been that way, but I have no way to know. If it's in your garage and it's at least a 2 car garage, and you have louvered closet door to the tank, you can probably get by without those vents open to outside all the time. It is definitely safer with them exposed, so it's your call on safety vs comfort.

A good plumber would know the calculations.

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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
Thanks Everyone for all the input !

And as far as switching to tankless electric, I would have to also have a 220 plug installed, I'm fairly poor and on a shoestring budget.
Maybe I'll get tankless in my next life. :)
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
It's probably ok with those vents closed, especially if they've been that way, but I have no way to know. If it's in your garage and it's at least a 2 car garage, and you have louvered closet door to the tank, you can probably get by without those vents open to outside all the time. It is definitely safer with them exposed, so it's your call on safety vs comfort.

A good plumber would know the calculations.
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Thank you.
Yes, going to open the lower vent and it is a 2 car garage so the inch gap at the bottom of the door is going to stay, the homebuilder did the gap on the door bottom.
Probably leaving the top exterior vent closed due to the strong winds we get on that wall.
This tank is the same btu and size of the old one.
Butch DeFeo

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08/10/2021 01:06 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
OP - YES those vents both need to be open and flowing air freely so gas doesn't potentially build up and blow up the building. If you're gonna keep using a gas water heater, make sure those vents are freely open.

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Electric tankless heaters are not dependable and they use just as much power as a tank heater. if you decide to go tankless, go with gas or propane. Extremely efficient and instantaneous.
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08/10/2021 01:22 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
You could load a photo of it on imgur and then show it.
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
and the livingroom please.
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
OP - YES those vents both need to be open and flowing air freely so gas doesn't potentially build up and blow up the building. If you're gonna keep using a gas water heater, make sure those vents are freely open.

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 Quoting: Butch DeFeo


yes gas yes!
if sealed in where does the oxygen to burn the gas come from?
airflow reduces condensation ...reduces back drafts.. reduces rusting.... reduces rot
vents in housing are your friends
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08/10/2021 05:30 PM
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Re: Urgent question for home builders- gas hot water room
Ok, we left the inch interior door bottom gap open and opened the paneled over exterior bottom vent, replaced some incoming brass pipes that had been leaking a bit.
It should have more than enough air.

Only thing left is hooking the gas line up, lighting it, letting it warm up and finally get a hot shower and run the dishwasher.

Thanks again everyone!
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