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Lake Oroville's Edward Hyatt Powerplant is Shut DOWN | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47976185 United States08/10/2021 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It marks the first time that officials have been forced to close the lake's Edward Hyatt Powerplant, which was completed in 1967. The loss of the hydroelectric power source at Lake Oroville, about 75 miles north of Sacramento, could contribute to rolling blackouts in the state during heat waves in coming months. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78689367 "This is just one of many unprecedented impacts we are experiencing in California as a result of our climate-induced drought," Karla Nemeth, director of the state Department of Water Resources, said in a statement. It also marks another humbling moment for the state as it struggles with the grim and compounding effects of climate change. The dam — the tallest in the U.S. — is part of a sprawling system that moves water from the mountains of Northern California to the rest of the state. But the severe drought has diminished that water to a trickle and, now, cut power generation. [link to www.msn.com (secure)]  climate change my ass.its the bureau of land management not to mention idiot's that's refusing to seed the clouds for rain to put out the fires n save ppls animals n crops!! In my opinion |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78689367 United States08/10/2021 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have deliberately drained the dam to create an artificial crisis. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79141158 UH .. no. That's a tired old conspiracy theory. The closest USDA station to Lake Oroville is at Independence Lake at an elevation of 8338 feet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78689367 By June 1st this station reported 12 inches of snow. June 3rd 6 inches and by June 7th bone dry. It had less than 50 inches on May 1st. April 1st 65 inches... Big time drought by normal snowpack standards. [link to www.nrcs.usda.gov (secure)] When you only get like 30-50% of you normal snowpack and it's so hot and dry that in April the run-off was sponged up by the severely droughted soils, the water never gets to the creeks to get to the rivers to get to the reservoir. In 2019 yes, the system worked like it was designed to but CA is currently experiencing an extreme two-year drought. Nice try though .. you busted!! August 2020 [imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)] April 2021 [imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)] August 2021 [imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)] |
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| REaliZe
User ID: 68033157 United States08/10/2021 05:57 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have deliberately drained the dam to create an artificial crisis. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79141158 Yes...because they purposely drained the lakes into the ocean and said it's climate change...more B.S .....enjoy your rolling destruction of America Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73813195  There's. A. H0le. In. The. Sky. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74623506 United States08/10/2021 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "This is just one of many unprecedented impacts we are experiencing in California as a result of our Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78689367 FIFY |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80392900 United States08/10/2021 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is most definitely not the first time it's been "forced to close". The power plant flooded during the near-collapse of the Emergency Spillway, it sure wasn't running then! Then previously they had that remote valve in the diversion tunnel completely blow out, they weren't running it then! Another incident, one of the turbines floated up and spun out like a top, dang thing near took everybody out. It wasn't running then. Then there was the drought where the lake was almost as low as it is now, it wasn't running then. Probably some other times I'm missing. Not the first time, not at all. |
| Crunch62
User ID: 59397519 United States08/10/2021 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is most definitely not the first time it's been "forced to close". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80392900 The power plant flooded during the near-collapse of the Emergency Spillway, it sure wasn't running then! Then previously they had that remote valve in the diversion tunnel completely blow out, they weren't running it then! Another incident, one of the turbines floated up and spun out like a top, dang thing near took everybody out. It wasn't running then. Then there was the drought where the lake was almost as low as it is now, it wasn't running then. Probably some other times I'm missing. Not the first time, not at all. Absolutely correct. I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
| wolstreet
User ID: 80619262 United States08/10/2021 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Multiple hydro plant shutdowns could cause massive grid failures as more power is diverted to make up for the lost generation. But what is more disturbing is the number of routers and major telecom equipment that could go down, along with data centers in the West. This could be what causes the internet outage they keep talking about. And yes I know there are redundancies with major data centers but can they handle the overwhelming amount of traffic that would be diverted to them for sustained periods? AWS (Amazon web services) for instance can roll over but if we had two regions go out then there is no way it could scale to meet demand. Just Google AWS region map and you’ll see. On a side note, the natural consequences of the hydro shutdown could be blamed on hackers. Most people would not know the difference in a forced shutdown or a “hack”. I suggest we all pray for rain. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79844162 United States08/10/2021 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That'd be a neat trick...where's the copper coming from? How about the Silver? Who's pickin up the tab on that? Gonna store that energy for when the conditions aren't right? Gonna need a big storage facility. Batteries have to be maintained and eventually replaced. I hope they do, don't misunderstand me. I just think it'd be a neat trick, and I'm skeptical about the magnitude and reliability of the system. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78689367 United States08/10/2021 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All discussions of the water level at Lake Oroville must start with what took place on the ground. It's a reservoir that collects western Sierra snow melt. IF there was a very weak couple winters, with the second one worse, combined with rising temps and cracked dry ground that either evaporated or absorbed run-off severely limiting what ends up at the destination in the first place. This is a system has highly underperformed on the input side in 2020 and 2021. That's where you start. Then you recognize that the water on the output side has been pre-determined and set for customers - 60% of Californians. Lake Oroville was full in late June 2019. In April of 2019 the Independence USDA monitoring station (closest to Oroville) measured 154 inches of snowpack (12.8 feet). In April of 2021 this station measured 65 inches of snowpack (5.4 feet) - by early June is was all GONE. By comparison, in early June 2019 there was still over 100 inches on the ground. Check it yourselves.. [link to www.nrcs.usda.gov (secure)] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80600233 United States08/10/2021 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Multiple hydro plant shutdowns could cause massive grid failures as more power is diverted to make up for the lost generation. Quoting: wolstreet But what is more disturbing is the number of routers and major telecom equipment that could go down, along with data centers in the West. This could be what causes the internet outage they keep talking about. And yes I know there are redundancies with major data centers but can they handle the overwhelming amount of traffic that would be diverted to them for sustained periods? AWS (Amazon web services) for instance can roll over but if we had two regions go out then there is no way it could scale to meet demand. Just Google AWS region map and you’ll see. On a side note, the natural consequences of the hydro shutdown could be blamed on hackers. Most people would not know the difference in a forced shutdown or a “hack”. I suggest we all pray for rain. Good, these data centers are being used to enslave us |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78689367 United States08/10/2021 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually last week, Thursday the 5th - but that's not why I posted this. It's mainly because idiots don't understand why the water level dropped so low since June 2019. AND because there is another heat wave, likely not the last for this year, when many people will be scrambling to get prepared for triple digit heat with no electricity, possibly for a day or two - at a minimum rolling black-outs. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74028472 United States08/10/2021 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is most definitely not the first time it's been "forced to close". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80392900 The power plant flooded during the near-collapse of the Emergency Spillway, it sure wasn't running then! Then previously they had that remote valve in the diversion tunnel completely blow out, they weren't running it then! Another incident, one of the turbines floated up and spun out like a top, dang thing near took everybody out. It wasn't running then. Then there was the drought where the lake was almost as low as it is now, it wasn't running then. Probably some other times I'm missing. Not the first time, not at all. But, but, but... That doesn't sound nearly as scary when you say all that |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78689367 United States08/10/2021 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is most definitely not the first time it's been "forced to close". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80392900 The power plant flooded during the near-collapse of the Emergency Spillway, it sure wasn't running then! Then previously they had that remote valve in the diversion tunnel completely blow out, they weren't running it then! Another incident, one of the turbines floated up and spun out like a top, dang thing near took everybody out. It wasn't running then. Then there was the drought where the lake was almost as low as it is now, it wasn't running then. Probably some other times I'm missing. Not the first time, not at all. Correct. Accidentally omitted the top paragraph. "In a sign of the region's worsening drought, state water officials announced Thursday the shutdown of a major hydroelectric power plant at Lake Oroville in Northern California, citing the lowest-ever recorded water level at the reservoir." [link to www.msn.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78689367 United States08/10/2021 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | California often experiences what's called hydrological whiplash - high snowpack years followed by low snowpack ones. What's happening now is it's become more extreme. And as a result, yes there are and will be water wars. In the mid to late 30's as Lake Mead's Hoover Dam reservoir was filling scientists looked back into the 1800's to study the wet/dry cycles and they tried to warn the water managers that we should be conservative and respect the ying/yang of the water cycle in the west. BUT they didn't listen and basically gave more water away then they had on paper over the years. So, yes, there has also been massive mis-management as they've bowed to urban developments. Even today people in southern Utah want some of the Colorado river basin/Mead water to develop with. Problem is, that would be taking it from someone who is using it now. |
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