ATF says that Binary Triggers are MACHINE GUNS..

what about non-binary triggers?

I love triggering no binaries!

The AFT NEEDS to be dissolved...


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Honestly I thought auto reset had already been ruled an MG long ago but guess designers came up with new design they thought would fly...

Actually the Tac-Con 3MR auto reset trigger received an ATF letter approving it. It's a very similar design.

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I look forward to seeing the ATF try to speak out of both sides of their mouth as they claim Rare Breed is a machine gun but Tac-Con 3MR (which works the same way) is perfectly fine and still semi-auto. Maybe they'll try to go back and claim the Tac-Con 3MR is also a machine gun, even though they ruled it differently 8 years ago.

Not sure about the mechanics on that one, but the FRT15's Rate of Fire is MUCH greater. Damn thing fires as fast as the gun cycles.

Know what is better then a binary trigger?

1) Going to the range and practicing.

2) Exercise so that you can function under pressure, and move when you need to move.

You probably already knew this fact.

It's the same principle though, it uses the bolt coming forward to force the trigger to reset. Maybe they make the argument that the rate of fire is slower and therefore it's ok, but where is the line then? The principle is the same, there's just some arbitrary cutoff on how effective it is on increasing the fire rate? Where's that cutoff in the law? What's the justification? Because some unelected ATF official says so? I think that's going to be a losing battle for them in court.

The rare breed trigger is NOT a binary trigger, it is forced reset, those were declared to be MG's years ago.

Those morons did not get it cleared with the Gestapo, err, KGB, I mean BATF before selling it.

Genuinely curious when forced reset was ever categorically declared to be a machine gun like an auto sear. Tac-Con 3MR got the green light from the ATF.
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As pointed out, the fire rate from a 3MR isn't as high as the FRT-15, but the principle behind its function is the same.

On that I agree. It seems to me like they knew that the post-bump stock ban ATF would claim it's a machine gun, even though it seems like they could have gone the other way on it even less than ten years ago. If you're going to buy an accessory like this, I would try to make sure they have a letter like the 3MR does. Not that the ATF can't later change their mind, but at least I would think it provides some degree of protection from prosecution.

Since the ridiculous shoe string ruling, which is basically what all forced reset triggers are, these types have all been on the edge of the precipice.
Using the return of the bolt to reset was the nail in the coffin, using automatic mechanical action to return the trigger means that steady pressure would cause the weapon to fire with no release and re-squeeze required.

You asked how they can go after Rare Breed but not other binary triggers. I'm just explaining that it's not a binary trigger. Those are two different things. In my opinion, Rare Breed is actually MORE in keeping with the law than a binary trigger. The binary fires a second bullet when you release the trigger. The Rare Breed only fires one bullet per trigger pull, it just makes it easy to keep pulling it repeatedly. Trump's bumpstock ban is the whole reason we're now in this mess. I said back then that we were giving the ATF way too much authority and that they could use the same reasoning to come after semi-automatic guns in a lot of other ways if they ban bumpstocks, now here we are. I was right, and I hate it.

Ok, but then why does Tac-Con 3MR get a green light? It also uses the return of the bolt carrier to force the trigger to reset. It doesn't seem to me like there has been a categorical declaration about this like there has been with bump stocks.

There hasn't. ATF is just making shit up.

But correct me if I'm wrong, Congress either has to pass a law on this, or Biden has to sign an executive order before they're actually illegal, right?

They're trying to defacto ban it under the existing NFA without passing any new laws. They're just reinterpreting what it means to pull the trigger once per round fired.

This should be perma-pinned.

Not only does the ATF have no Constitutional authority for existence, it only exists to thwart a Constitutional amendment that states unequivocally that our rights to keep and bear arm shall NOT BE INFRINGED.

The ATF is the poster child for an outfit that says Fuck the Constitution. The ATF is precisely what King George put in place to deprive the colonists of the means to depose King George. That didn't end well for King George.

How any American could join this group or support it amazes me. It tells me they are 100% against our Constitution and are willing to kill those who are.

Look at Chipman??? He is undoubtable the biggest piece of shit since Lon Horiuchi.

Imagine how the Founders would view such an entity. It literally defies everything this nation was founded on.

WE DO NOT CONSENT.

You make take me, but I guarantee I take two with me you fuckers.

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If you knew what those things were really introduced to do, you wouldn't touch one. Everything in existence happens on two planes thanks to your goddamn duality program. I don't recommend bicycles or binary triggers, we already have enough lesbians.

... What the hell are you talking about?

I do not understand. Like at all.

I know, that's the fucking problem here. You are all buying and doing things you that have no fucking idea how they work or their real intent.

Also I'd like to point out, this kind of talk is a quick way to shut a thread down.

Agent provocateur much?

If someone really feels as you do and is smart enough to articulate it, I would think they would be smart enough to NOT SAY SOME CRAZY SHIT LIKE THAT ONLINE! You KNOW they read these forums, you're either asking for trouble, or a baiting shill my man. We are all angry about what's going on, but hinting at ambushing feds at their homes is a quick way to get VERY bad attention on yourself. Not to mention bad publicity for us gun owners and Second Amendment activists.

If the former, please be wiser. If the latter, please f**k off.

Well don't stop there. Pray tell, how is my purchase of a binary trigger unintended? Am I missing anything? We seem to be detracting from the point of the thread now, but I want to know waht you mean.