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Two Charts Destroy Big Lie About ‘Climate Change’ And Wildfires

 
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You believe that they have carbon emission measurements from the TWENTIES AND THIRTIES!?

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Yes and they also have CO2 measurments that go back many thousands of years FROM DEEP ICE CORE SAMPLES.

Before mankind started to introduce CO2 that had been locked away Coal, Oil and Gas, recent CO2 levels were getting to where plants struggle. Glass house growers boost CO2 levels by pumping the heating combustion gasses into the glass hose / pollytunnels.


CO2 peer reviewed article: [link to nph.onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

400 ppm = current CO2 level
1500 ppm = OPTIMAL CO2 level for commercial greenhouses.
270 ppm = pre-industrial level CO2
150 ppm = glacial CO2 level

Most of today’s complex vascular plants evolved in the last 250 million years when average CO2 level was around 1200 ppm. The Earth DID NOT BURN UP at 1500 ppm or more of CO2.

One final point... Research how much CO2 has been locked away in sedimentary rock - as that is where most of it has gone. Coal and oil are a piddling by comparison.
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Wait.

How do scientists know the levels of CO2 in the 1930's? Did they have specialized equipment back then that counted the PPM? Or did they use CO2 trapped in glaciers for their figures?

Seems with the number of fires in the 30's was extreme there should have been a lot of CO2, yet it barely registers on the chart. Gotta wonder if the charts are factual or did the producer of the charts were just scrawling lines on graph paper.
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Wait.

How do scientists know the levels of CO2 in the 1930's? Did they have specialized equipment back then that counted the PPM? Or did they use CO2 trapped in glaciers for their figures?

Seems with the number of fires in the 30's was extreme there should have been a lot of CO2, yet it barely registers on the chart. Gotta wonder if the charts are factual or did the producer of the charts were just scrawling lines on graph paper.
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VOLCANOES???
CHARTS ARE BS!!!!
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Hard to lie about fires dude, it’s bad the last 2 years

Maybe history repeats itself but the ice caps have melted a lot since the early 1900s, u can’t deny that’s the earth climate going up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73008487


Use a little critical thinking and Internet search engines and you might wisen up some

Mother Nature and this planet will fix any problem we cause, and far, FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, FARRRRRRRRR worse like massive comet strikes.

7.5 billion people, going on 9 billion are the problem. The only problem is population numbers land and mineral resources for the stinking rich to exploit for their own gain.

IF climate change is real, and if it were man made, then only mankind is the loser.

Wildfires are a result of mankind's interference to Mother Nature's cycles of life. Forests need to be left to Mother Nature's management. 100 years of brush build-up by fire-fighting is only going to produce greater, more devastating unmanageable fires.

It's all mankind's folly thinking he can manage nature. Nature wins EVERY TIME, she is in no hurry. The Earth will be here in a billion years, mankind will be long extinct.
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Some random chart from imright.com yeah I believe that over the actual fires that are happening.
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Hard to lie about fires dude, it’s bad the last 2 years

Maybe history repeats itself but the ice caps have melted a lot since the early 1900s, u can’t deny that’s the earth climate going up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73008487


120 years... you're joking right? This planet's CO2 levels have YoYo'ed for BILLIONS of years as have temperatures, long before man arrived on the scene, and will go on doing so long after he goes extinct.

Climate Change / CO2 taxes is just a "rich man's trick" to blame the poor into thinking they must accept a much reduced their standard of living, paying more tax, while the rich offset their (massively disproportionate) contribution to the "problem" with "Indulgences" (look up the entomology of "Indulgence". [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

You have been brainwashed.
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Hard to lie about fires dude, it’s bad the last 2 years

Maybe history repeats itself but the ice caps have melted a lot since the early 1900s 25000BC, u can’t deny that’s the earth climate going up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73008487


Fixed it for you.

Remember...
Ice ages start suddenly then melt away over millennia almost as suddenly .
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Fixed it for ya! Oh, and two other words... "Milankovitch Cycles"
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One other important piece of Info.
Our fire suppression has created a scenario where fires are devastating.
Every time you put out a fire you add fuel to the next fire.
We need more prescribed fire.

BTW I had a 40 year wildland fire career.
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Bingo...

But of course you know - really - it's all the folly of mankind thinking he can control Mother Nature even in the shortest of terms. It has kept a roof over your head though.
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Planet warming is an observable phenomenon - your charts are subhuman garbage
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observable phenomenon

crazyjak

What time frame are we talking about here?

Low CO2 is a bigger danger than the piss-ant change that has happened in the last 200 years. 7.5 billion people is the problem, which includes thee and me.

Burn a few billionaires and see how quick the CO2 debate changes.
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You believe that they have carbon emission measurements from the TWENTIES AND THIRTIES!?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80742498


Yes and they also have CO2 measurments that go back many thousands of years FROM DEEP ICE CORE SAMPLES.

Before mankind started to introduce CO2 that had been locked away Coal, Oil and Gas, recent CO2 levels were getting to where plants struggle. Glass house growers boost CO2 levels by pumping the heating combustion gasses into the glass hose / pollytunnels.


CO2 peer reviewed article: [link to nph.onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

400 ppm = current CO2 level
1500 ppm = OPTIMAL CO2 level for commercial greenhouses.
270 ppm = pre-industrial level CO2
150 ppm = glacial CO2 level

Most of today’s complex vascular plants evolved in the last 250 million years when average CO2 level was around 1200 ppm. The Earth DID NOT BURN UP at 1500 ppm or more of CO2.

One final point... Research how much CO2 has been locked away in sedimentary rock - as that is where most of it has gone. Coal and oil are a piddling by comparison.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80711099


So,
as the last ice age diminishes, there is a warming of our surroundings. Duh.
Could it be that the warming has released additional CO2?
Or does it need to be mankind's fault.

Because I'm wondering...
How easy would it be to cherry pick ice core data to fit a narrative that would best suit the financial operations of running ice core sampling?

If you read OP's first graph,
It states that the federal data starts in 1960. Blatant manipulation to further their goals at everyone else's expense.
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Planet warming is an observable phenomenon - your charts are subhuman garbage
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NASA, UN, Universities have been caught time after time manipulating that temperature warming.

Twas hotter in the 1920s-1930s than now.

The government is lying.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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Hard to lie about fires dude, it’s bad the last 2 years

Maybe history repeats itself but the ice caps have melted a lot since the early 1900s, u can’t deny that’s the earth climate going up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73008487


Use a little critical thinking and Internet search engines and you might wisen up some

Mother Nature and this planet will fix any problem we cause, and far, FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, FARRRRRRRRR worse like massive comet strikes.

7.5 billion people, going on 9 billion are the problem. The only problem is population numbers land and mineral resources for the stinking rich to exploit for their own gain.

IF climate change is real, and if it were man made, then only mankind is the loser.

Wildfires are a result of mankind's interference to Mother Nature's cycles of life. Forests need to be left to Mother Nature's management. 100 years of brush build-up by fire-fighting is only going to produce greater, more devastating unmanageable fires.

It's all mankind's folly thinking he can manage nature. Nature wins EVERY TIME, she is in no hurry. The Earth will be here in a billion years, mankind will be long extinct.
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^THIS^
“The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge.” Proverbs 18:15
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Planet warming is an observable phenomenon - your charts are subhuman garbage
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72432968


NASA, UN, Universities have been caught time after time manipulating that temperature warming.

Twas hotter in the 1920s-1930s than now.

The government is lying.
 Quoting: Brown Chicken Brown Cow


Yep.

I remember in the 70's they kept talking about the Ozone and how there was this big hole and we were not going to make it unless drastic changes were made. So they stopped with spray cans, that was the problem. However at some point, I watched a documentary on the space shuttle and rocket launches and that documentary talked about how one launch did more damage to our ozone that every spray can on the planet!

Go figure. I knew it was all fake, cause guess what, no one talks about that old ozone hole any longer, now do they. We were supposed to be all burned up by now!

Last Edited by Blessed E v on 08/15/2021 09:26 AM
“The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge.” Proverbs 18:15
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I am located in the midst of one of the world's worst wildfire areas. The MSM talks about climate change but the locals don't really.

The locals talk about changes in recent decades in logging and forestry practices as contributing to wildfires. Others say wildfires (bad ones) have always existed to this extent, or even more so. We just have to manage them to save life and property.

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Well, well, well.

Two Charts Destroy Big Lie About ‘Climate Change’ And Wildfires

"It’s that time of year again, the season of headlines routinely screaming about 'record' amounts of acreage burned from out-of-control wildfires caused by, of course, 'climate change.' But is it true? Is global warming driving a surge in wildfires? The answer is no.

The media started again this week with the release of the United Nation’s latest dire climate change report, based on the same faulty models and filled with more apocalyptic predictions that won’t come true."

[link to issuesinsights.com (secure)]

Here are the 2 charts:

https://imgur.com/naSvBjc



https://imgur.com/kEkc9Mu

 Quoting: TrustNoOneKS


Yes, they always district the truth to push their lies. Another chart I love is the heat/cold map of the world where they change the colors to suit their agenda.

It’s all lies. Anyone who believes in climate change being caused by man I just have to literally laugh at them in the face.

And I have to deal with this lie at my work every fucking day. Part of my line of work.
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Forget the red or the blue pill. Take the Gold Elixir.

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“Naturalness is called the Way. The Way has no name or form; it is just essence, just the primal spirit.” - The Secret of the Golden Flower.
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Oil refining is the worst thing we can do to the planet and ourselves - it is the number one destroyer of the atmosphere.

But listen, The American people can get by quite nicely with a 50% reduction in refinery operations just from domestic production. But, there's a massive parasite that exists solely to feed its thirst and it takes 50% of oil production year in and year out - and, has been doing so for at least half a century.

I'm talking about the U.S. armed forces and their - by their I mean the generals and admirals corp and the bloated officers corps - desire to maintain its control and authority over civilian rule, which has been going down for at least a half century, now, as well. What to do? Well I think most of us knows what needs doing. Because those psychopaths, if control isn't wrested from their unholy grip, will continue to bring all life systems crashing down on the lot of us.

Time to get busy . . . for those that care
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bsflag pinned yesterday!
bsflag repinned today!

what a shitshow this place has become....
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Hard to lie about fires dude, it’s bad the last 2 years

Maybe history repeats itself but the ice caps have melted a lot since the early 1900s, u can’t deny that’s the earth climate going up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73008487


Yeah, they have melted a lot since the last ICE AGE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79924111


^This great example of tardism. Complete ignorance of Science.

We are in the Holocene era, which is an 'inter-glacial period' that is about 12,000 years old. It is part of the Pleistocene Epoch which is an Ice Age that is over 2,000,000 years old.

The Pleistocene is a long history of heavy periods of glaciation with short periods where Ice retreats.

This is due to many variables, the two most important are that the Earth's revolution around the sun is not a perfect circle, it is an eplipse that slowly changes over thousands of years, the earth never traveling the exact same route; and that the Earth's rotation on its axis is not perfect, but it is more like a spinning top, that continually oscillates over thousands of years, causing the angle that sunlight hits the planet to change over time.

you damn 'tards are dangerous.
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Hard to lie about fires dude, it’s bad the last 2 years

Maybe history repeats itself but the ice caps have melted a lot since the early 1900s, u can’t deny that’s the earth climate going up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73008487


Yeah, they have melted a lot since the last ICE AGE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79924111


^This great example of tardism. Complete ignorance of Science.

We are in the Holocene era, which is an 'inter-glacial period' that is about 12,000 years old. It is part of the Pleistocene Epoch which is an Ice Age that is over 2,000,000 years old.

The Pleistocene is a long history of heavy periods of glaciation with short periods where Ice retreats.

This is due to many variables, the two most important are that the Earth's revolution around the sun is not a perfect circle, it is an eplipse that slowly changes over thousands of years, the earth never traveling the exact same route; and that the Earth's rotation on its axis is not perfect, but it is more like a spinning top, that continually oscillates over thousands of years, causing the angle that sunlight hits the planet to change over time.

you damn 'tards are dangerous.
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Shut up, stupid psychopathic shill - and stop your lying
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We are in the Holocene era, which is an 'inter-glacial period' that is about 12,000 years old. It is part of the Pleistocene Epoch which is an Ice Age that is over 2,000,000 years old.

The Pleistocene is a long history of heavy periods of glaciation with short periods where Ice retreats.

This is due to many variables, the two most important are that the Earth's revolution around the sun is not a perfect circle, it is an eplipse that slowly changes over thousands of years, the earth never traveling the exact same route; and that the Earth's rotation on its axis is not perfect, but it is more like a spinning top, that continually oscillates over thousands of years, causing the angle that sunlight hits the planet to change over time.


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Research Younger Dryas, masses of Mammoths frozen to death with leaves in their gut. Massive swings in temperature in a matter of days glacial to warm back to glacial. There is now serious debate that the Sun goes through "mini nova" events.

The fact is that a thousand years of ice build-up can be melted in a matter of years NOT decades or 100's of years as Milankovitch Cycles.
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Hard to lie about fires dude, it’s bad the last 2 years

Maybe history repeats itself but the ice caps have melted a lot since the early 1900s, u can’t deny that’s the earth climate going up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73008487


Yeah, they have melted a lot since the last ICE AGE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79924111


^This great example of tardism. Complete ignorance of Science.

We are in the Holocene era, which is an 'inter-glacial period' that is about 12,000 years old. It is part of the Pleistocene Epoch which is an Ice Age that is over 2,000,000 years old.

The Pleistocene is a long history of heavy periods of glaciation with short periods where Ice retreats.

This is due to many variables, the two most important are that the Earth's revolution around the sun is not a perfect circle, it is an eplipse that slowly changes over thousands of years, the earth never traveling the exact same route; and that the Earth's rotation on its axis is not perfect, but it is more like a spinning top, that continually oscillates over thousands of years, causing the angle that sunlight hits the planet to change over time.

you damn 'tards are dangerous.
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Shut up, stupid psychopathic shill - and stop your lying
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Try educating yourself, start with "Milankovitch Cycles" and "Younger Dryas" all well respected and reviewed science regarding climate change over decades and thousands of years - just as the yearly cycle of summer and winter.

Why bother read such post if you don't want to educate yourself. The day science is settled, is the day science is DEAD
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Oil refining is the worst thing we can do to the planet and ourselves - it is the number one destroyer of the atmosphere.

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Well what would you use to replace oil?

The reason 7.5 billion humans are able to inhabit this planet is primarily due to oil and the machines oil drives and lubricates.

Oh, and just remember you and I are included in that figure, both our lives are heavily dependant on oil for our current standard of living, before you suggest 90% depopulation (a more sustainable longer term population for this planet.

I don't want to go back to scratching the land with a stick to feed myself.
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If people looked at the same things occurring all over earth they would realise every event is planned and scripted exactly the same. Haarp is busy busy. Look at windy .com ...go to the pollution button ... u can see where they are pumping the emf to direct the weather to their desired location soo obvious
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hf
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Just pinned this because I love facts being shown and breaking down false paradigms.
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Thanks bunches for the pin!

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What are you implying with those maps, OP?
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Well, had you read the article from which the charts came from or even the thread title, you would know that they pretty much disprove the claim that climate change is responsible for wildfires, as has been claimed.
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Oil refining is the worst thing we can do to the planet and ourselves - it is the number one destroyer of the atmosphere.

But listen, The American people can get by quite nicely with a 50% reduction in refinery operations just from domestic production. But, there's a massive parasite that exists solely to feed its thirst and it takes 50% of oil production year in and year out - and, has been doing so for at least half a century.

I'm talking about the U.S. armed forces and their - by their I mean the generals and admirals corp and the bloated officers corps - desire to maintain its control and authority over civilian rule, which has been going down for at least a half century, now, as well. What to do? Well I think most of us knows what needs doing. Because those psychopaths, if control isn't wrested from their unholy grip, will continue to bring all life systems crashing down on the lot of us.

Time to get busy . . . for those that care
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There's a problem with your 'theory'.
Oil occurs naturally on the surface. ever heard of the La Brea Tar Pits.
In Texas, I constantly was wiping oil off my shoes.

But you specified "Oil refining".
A hundred years ago, people used to skim surface oil for 'White Gas'.
They used it to run their cars. In fact, that's why we call the liquid we use in cars now, Gas.
No refining necessary.

Oil is as dangerous as Sea water.
Next you'll be telling us that breathing(CO2) is bad and needs to be stopped.
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When I was a kid in east Texas in the 80's, one of the old timers told me about how when he was a kid back before the depression they would purposely burn the underbrush from the forest.

And because they did this, the trees were bigger than anything you see today and you could see and walk through the forest.

Now it's so thick you can't see or walk 10 feet because the fear of fires in the summer.





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