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UPDATED: How To Survive the Coming Food Shortage Problem - Michigan Farmer Here - Must Have Information for Empowerment

 
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There is no "food shortage" coming, perhaps if you were an actual farmer and not some yokel you would be well familiar with this fact.

[link to www.ers.usda.gov (secure)]

If you were an actual farmer you would understand the US Farmers assoc. and USDA allocate together depending on crop yields allocation of food grain and feed grain depending on the years supply, you would also understand the USDA has literally 2 years worth of supply in seed and grain at any point in the year for any such emergency. And exports are lowered or raised accordingly.

You sir, are utter bullshit. Nothing is projected.

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I am a farmer too, and what you just stated is bunk! I never heard of the US Farmers assn., so I googled it, sure enough, it doesn't exist!

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I'm sure you're an amazing farmer, however we are talking farmers that have 1000's of acres of produce, and many times they sell excess cheap, especially the ones that do not contract with Big Agra.

I've seen some neighboring farms let metric ton piles rot, because Big Agra already paid for it, and the farmers signed agreement to sell excess, but rather dispose of it, instead of allowing people to use it.

It helps set market prices.

Our government is extremely manipulated by Big Agra lobbyist's too, so go figure.

The farming laws, and codes are set by the same lobbyists so it's a closed loop that's hard to get out of.

We're even paid when we don't grow certain crops, but that is only if farmers enroll in the programs, some like myself are completely free of the strangle-hold, other than paying land tax.


As a lifelong homesteader with a 1/4 acre spud patch, a 1/2 acre canning garden, and a kitchen garden by my backdoor to eat from all summer, I guarantee you I would never sell my produce on the cheap like you describe.

It is real food.

And I bust my ass to grow all-organic for over four decades now.

I am not sure folks really understand what that means!!!

My customers at the local Farmer's Market sure did, and were willing to pay a real price to me for my work to grow them that real food.

We sold cut & wrapped pork and lamb, along with a full range of seasonal delights in the fruit and vegetable section.

I made around $500 bucks every Saturday, and sold out in about 2 hours.... this was back in 2010, so today's value would be much higher.

Food should be evaluated on the nutritional value it contains, and not quantity.

If that was the cost criteria, grocery store food would take thousands of dollars and a semi truck to haul it for a weekly food supply for a family of four!!!
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Spent all day canning in mason jars bro...11 acres here, many wild plants grow that are edible on our land..Goats for milk, chickens for eggs.
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My Brother, Thanks for making people Think.

I'm Glad that I live in the Caribbean, 4 crops a year..3 months for Papayas, Pumpking, Watermelon, (All the Curcubetaceas), for Roots (Yuka, Ñame, Malanga, Yautia, Apio, Batata Dulce, Turmeric, Ginger and more) 8 months! Mangoes..depends on the strain, but 1 a year! There are 3 or more and You have a Full Year
Avocados..depends on the strain, but 1 a year! There are 3 or more and You have a Full Year!

And many more Stuff to Grow..

Learn how to Fish..
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That's really good advice. Problem is that there are NO canning supplies anywhere to be found. I can every year and I am almost out of lids. I can't find any anywhere.
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Sounds like heaven there.


One place I'd consider living is PR, outside the USA. Especially in the inner area, farmlands.

I can't even imagine 4 crops in a year. hf


My Brother, Thanks for making people Think.

I'm Glad that I live in the Caribbean, 4 crops a year..3 months for Papayas, Pumpking, Watermelon, (All the Curcubetaceas), for Roots (Yuka, Ñame, Malanga, Yautia, Apio, Batata Dulce, Turmeric, Ginger and more) 8 months! Mangoes..depends on the strain, but 1 a year! There are 3 or more and You have a Full Year
Avocados..depends on the strain, but 1 a year! There are 3 or more and You have a Full Year!

And many more Stuff to Grow..

Learn how to Fish..
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I'm sure you're an amazing farmer, however we are talking farmers that have 1000's of acres of produce, and many times they sell excess cheap, especially the ones that do not contract with Big Agra.

I've seen some neighboring farms let metric ton piles rot, because Big Agra already paid for it, and the farmers signed agreement to sell excess, but rather dispose of it, instead of allowing people to use it.

It helps set market prices.

Our government is extremely manipulated by Big Agra lobbyist's too, so go figure.

The farming laws, and codes are set by the same lobbyists so it's a closed loop that's hard to get out of.

We're even paid when we don't grow certain crops, but that is only if farmers enroll in the programs, some like myself are completely free of the strangle-hold, other than paying land tax.


As a lifelong homesteader with a 1/4 acre spud patch, a 1/2 acre canning garden, and a kitchen garden by my backdoor to eat from all summer, I guarantee you I would never sell my produce on the cheap like you describe.

It is real food.

And I bust my ass to grow all-organic for over four decades now.

I am not sure folks really understand what that means!!!

My customers at the local Farmer's Market sure did, and were willing to pay a real price to me for my work to grow them that real food.

We sold cut & wrapped pork and lamb, along with a full range of seasonal delights in the fruit and vegetable section.

I made around $500 bucks every Saturday, and sold out in about 2 hours.... this was back in 2010, so today's value would be much higher.

Food should be evaluated on the nutritional value it contains, and not quantity.

If that was the cost criteria, grocery store food would take thousands of dollars and a semi truck to haul it for a weekly food supply for a family of four!!!
 Quoting: Tree of Life

 Quoting: Mangia


Thanks for sharing a vital prospective on this problem.

This happened in Australia years back, and consumers were shocked when the true unsubsidized prices came to market reality.

Last Spring Covid had some farmers plowing under their spuds here in Idaho, but one breakaway farmer said 'NO' to letting it all rot in a feild or pile. He let local volunteer folks with big trailers disperse it statewide for free. They are the nicest Russetts I've ever grown, and used them again this year. Keep so fine, I am still using last year's crop from storage. You big farmers get the best stuff!

But, your ground is wore out in most fields, bud.
You could go with intesvive rehab with manure and green cover crops like olden times, but your scale is prohibitvely too large at this point.
Again, how much ground and quantity produced is meaningless without nutrion from the soil.
It is why we have obesity to get the nutients through overloading with quantity not quality.

This may actally reset our agriculture in America, which would benefit everyone!
"All you may know of heaven or hell is within your own self." - Edgar Cayce
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There is no "food shortage" coming, perhaps if you were an actual farmer and not some yokel you would be well familiar with this fact.

[link to www.ers.usda.gov (secure)]

If you were an actual farmer you would understand the US Farmers assoc. and USDA allocate together depending on crop yields allocation of food grain and feed grain depending on the years supply, you would also understand the USDA has literally 2 years worth of supply in seed and grain at any point in the year for any such emergency. And exports are lowered or raised accordingly.

You sir, are utter bullshit. Nothing is projected.

bsflagbsflagbsflag
 Quoting: Oz the Great and Powerful


I am a farmer too, and what you just stated is bunk! I never heard of the US Farmers assn., so I googled it, sure enough, it doesn't exist!
 Quoting: bigD111


We've picked up a dedicated team of glowie fucks who do everything they can to derail and cast doubt on any thread having to do with supply lines etc...

They've been around and getting more active since July especially.

They used to be able to run as AC's but now that's gone.

Still I'd imagine that there's hundreds if not thousands of burner member accounts that they can try to spread their FUD over to make what they're doing less obvious.

Convincing people that there's absolutely no supply chain Issues and that the crop reserves are in decent shape (when in truth because of some stuff trump did early in covid combined with warren Buffett charlie his friend bill Gates and china what little reserves we historically had NO LONGER EXIST outside of Silo networks and etc owned and controlled by Buffett etc!)

They need this crisis to be as much of a surprise as possible so us talking about it here is a major threat.
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Well Broo move to the Island.. You know how many people are moving from the States...

The land is cheap!

There are tones of places we're You can grow Coffe, Tabaco, Cacao, Orange, Mandarines, Broo whatever You ever though, and if it continues to cool the climate..Apples, Pears and other Stuff can be grown in the Upper mountains.. Adjuntas, Utuado, Jayuya, Villalba..

Here is a link for buying houses or land!

www.clasificadosonline.com

Let me know..

The west coast is cool..
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There is no "food shortage" coming, perhaps if you were an actual farmer and not some yokel you would be well familiar with this fact.

[link to www.ers.usda.gov (secure)]

If you were an actual farmer you would understand the US Farmers assoc. and USDA allocate together depending on crop yields allocation of food grain and feed grain depending on the years supply, you would also understand the USDA has literally 2 years worth of supply in seed and grain at any point in the year for any such emergency. And exports are lowered or raised accordingly.

You sir, are utter bullshit. Nothing is projected.

bsflagbsflagbsflag
 Quoting: Oz the Great and Powerful


I am a farmer too, and what you just stated is bunk! I never heard of the US Farmers assn., so I googled it, sure enough, it doesn't exist!
 Quoting: bigD111


We've picked up a dedicated team of glowie fucks who do everything they can to derail and cast doubt on any thread having to do with supply lines etc...

They've been around and getting more active since July especially.

They used to be able to run as AC's but now that's gone.

Still I'd imagine that there's hundreds if not thousands of burner member accounts that they can try to spread their FUD over to make what they're doing less obvious.

Convincing people that there's absolutely no supply chain Issues and that the crop reserves are in decent shape (when in truth because of some stuff trump did early in covid combined with warren Buffett charlie his friend bill Gates and china what little reserves we historically had NO LONGER EXIST outside of Silo networks and etc owned and controlled by Buffett etc!)

They need this crisis to be as much of a surprise as possible so us talking about it here is a major threat.
 Quoting: roguetechie81


Sounds about right!
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Re: UPDATED: How To Survive the Coming Food Shortage Problem - Michigan Farmer Here - Must Have Information for Empowerment
You'd be surprised.

I'm well versed in amending soils with beneficial bacteria's and beneficial fungi, and the usual lime, and manure. I'm in partnership with Michigan State and other institutions that use biology/science to repair soils.

After WWII Dow chemical hired tons of Nazi's who in turn dumbed down/altered human chemical pesticides, to a war on bugs, and plants pesticides. Any chemical pesticide is useless, on every level, but I won't get into it on this thread.

I'm also an amateur mycologist, and understand how things unseen like the fungi world are not only important in growing crops, but anything living on this planet would die without fungi, and it's amazing mycelial network that is based on an intelligent symbiosis that is par with none on this planet. Not only can fungi and bacteria's amend soil quickly, but remove toxins rapidly by way of mycelial remediation as well.


But, your ground is wore out in most fields, bud.
You could go with intesvive rehab with manure and green cover crops like olden times, but your scale is prohibitvely too large at this point.
Again, how much ground and quantity produced is meaningless without nutrion from the soil.
It is why we have obesity to get the nutients through overloading with quantity not quality.

This may actally reset our agriculture in America, which would benefit everyone!
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There is no "food shortage" coming, perhaps if you were an actual farmer and not some yokel you would be well familiar with this fact.

[link to www.ers.usda.gov (secure)]

If you were an actual farmer you would understand the US Farmers assoc. and USDA allocate together depending on crop yields allocation of food grain and feed grain depending on the years supply, you would also understand the USDA has literally 2 years worth of supply in seed and grain at any point in the year for any such emergency. And exports are lowered or raised accordingly.

You sir, are utter bullshit. Nothing is projected.

bsflagbsflagbsflag
 Quoting: Oz the Great and Powerful


I am a farmer too, and what you just stated is bunk! I never heard of the US Farmers assn., so I googled it, sure enough, it doesn't exist!
 Quoting: bigD111


We've picked up a dedicated team of glowie fucks who do everything they can to derail and cast doubt on any thread having to do with supply lines etc...

They've been around and getting more active since July especially.

They used to be able to run as AC's but now that's gone.

Still I'd imagine that there's hundreds if not thousands of burner member accounts that they can try to spread their FUD over to make what they're doing less obvious.

Convincing people that there's absolutely no supply chain Issues and that the crop reserves are in decent shape (when in truth because of some stuff trump did early in covid combined with warren Buffett charlie his friend bill Gates and china what little reserves we historically had NO LONGER EXIST outside of Silo networks and etc owned and controlled by Buffett etc!)

They need this crisis to be as much of a surprise as possible so us talking about it here is a major threat.
 Quoting: roguetechie81


Sounds about right!
 Quoting: bigD111


I've been spawn camping these motherfuckers for a couple months now. I recognize that particular one's writing style and the claims it makes when it's playing this particular persona.

In a perverse way I think we should all feel honored by the high level of sophistication and effort being put into this particular website.

At the same time, this is probably the best and only warning you're going to get to watch for accounts displaying anomalous behavior.

Also don't think because an account is OLD it's not one of them.

There's definitely a concerted effort being put out there to make it hard for people to trust ANY INFORMATION from any source currently and I can explain why.

Very smart potentially dangerous people are by nature prone to a failure mode known as paralysis by analysis.

In this failure mode, getting to the bottom of why information is contradictory all over the place and etc suddenly becomes more important than DOING THINGS.

If they can just keep us from collectively doing things they can get us in so deep that there's nothing left we CAN DO.
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Nice Mangia!
I have a degree in Enve.Engi.
Used to work for NCSU making studies of bees in different crops in the Suthern part of the island..(Santa Isabel, Juana Díaz y Salinas) Agriculture fields. We used to hunt native and endemic bees, with the idea of grabing the bee in the plant that They were pollinating. With that info, we made a seedmix that would be made available to NRCS and the grants to The growers. By developing different areas that were not impacted..making the Honey Groundsoil Bee develop her offsprings, larvae in the soil!

They pollinate better the flowers of peppers, tomatoes, Pumpking and ect..

And Mangia, If You go to The National Rain Forest of el Yunque, there are tones of different types of Fungy! Even glow in the dark..bioluminicent..

I wanna grow Shitake Shrooms in Logs of a couple of Nice lumber in PR
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That's really good advice. Problem is that there are NO canning supplies anywhere to be found. I can every year and I am almost out of lids. I can't find any anywhere.
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I went to wallyworld a couple of days ago. Their canning section was barren. Absolutely nothing in eight foot of shelving from floor to top shelf......except......

A partially opened case of regular canning lids. I grabbed them up and tossed it into my shopping cart. Then my wife says, aren't these lids just like the ones you put into the cart? I look to where she was pointing and there were six cases of regular jar lids sitting on the shelf waiting to be purchased. Needless to say I GRABBED all six cases and placed them into the shopping cart. Did the rest of my shopping and then checked out. The total for the lids was about $225 but I know that amount of lids will last me the rest of my life.

Just a wonderful feeling to know that if hard times hit I have the capacity to can a lot of food whether it is veggies or wild game. I've been looking for the lids and purchasing what I could when they were available but for months there have been only bare shelves. That day was a good day.
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Mangia

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This Is a Good conpany in Aibonito Town in the Country side that sells whitecap Shrooms..

She was a lawyer and decided to go Shrooms hahaha she reinvented herself!

They are very Tastie
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That's really good advice. Problem is that there are NO canning supplies anywhere to be found. I can every year and I am almost out of lids. I can't find any anywhere.
 Quoting: Lucyinthe Sky


I went to wallyworld a couple of days ago. Their canning section was barren. Absolutely nothing in eight foot of shelving from floor to top shelf......except......

A partially opened case of regular canning lids. I grabbed them up and tossed it into my shopping cart. Then my wife says, aren't these lids just like the ones you put into the cart? I look to where she was pointing and there were six cases of regular jar lids sitting on the shelf waiting to be purchased. Needless to say I GRABBED all six cases and placed them into the shopping cart. Did the rest of my shopping and then checked out. The total for the lids was about $225 but I know that amount of lids will last me the rest of my life.

Just a wonderful feeling to know that if hard times hit I have the capacity to can a lot of food whether it is veggies or wild game. I've been looking for the lids and purchasing what I could when they were available but for months there have been only bare shelves. That day was a good day.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


I also bought numerous lids, then was told or read that the lids are only good for a year. Do you know for sure?
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That's really good advice. Problem is that there are NO canning supplies anywhere to be found. I can every year and I am almost out of lids. I can't find any anywhere.
 Quoting: Lucyinthe Sky


I went to wallyworld a couple of days ago. Their canning section was barren. Absolutely nothing in eight foot of shelving from floor to top shelf......except......

A partially opened case of regular canning lids. I grabbed them up and tossed it into my shopping cart. Then my wife says, aren't these lids just like the ones you put into the cart? I look to where she was pointing and there were six cases of regular jar lids sitting on the shelf waiting to be purchased. Needless to say I GRABBED all six cases and placed them into the shopping cart. Did the rest of my shopping and then checked out. The total for the lids was about $225 but I know that amount of lids will last me the rest of my life.

Just a wonderful feeling to know that if hard times hit I have the capacity to can a lot of food whether it is veggies or wild game. I've been looking for the lids and purchasing what I could when they were available but for months there have been only bare shelves. That day was a good day.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


I also bought numerous lids, then was told or read that the lids are only good for a year. Do you know for sure?
 Quoting: bigD111


I'd say if you are worried about the life expectancy of the lids sitting on the shelf waiting to be utilized, then go and vacuum seal the lids until they are to be used. Heck, if you went to walmart and purchased them, do you think they were just placed on the shelf moments before you plucked it off that shelf? I won't worry about how long they remained on the shelf before purchase. I just worry about not having any right now. It's better to use "defective" seals sitting on a shelf for years than not having any.
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That's really good advice. Problem is that there are NO canning supplies anywhere to be found. I can every year and I am almost out of lids. I can't find any anywhere.
 Quoting: Lucyinthe Sky


I went to wallyworld a couple of days ago. Their canning section was barren. Absolutely nothing in eight foot of shelving from floor to top shelf......except......

A partially opened case of regular canning lids. I grabbed them up and tossed it into my shopping cart. Then my wife says, aren't these lids just like the ones you put into the cart? I look to where she was pointing and there were six cases of regular jar lids sitting on the shelf waiting to be purchased. Needless to say I GRABBED all six cases and placed them into the shopping cart. Did the rest of my shopping and then checked out. The total for the lids was about $225 but I know that amount of lids will last me the rest of my life.

Just a wonderful feeling to know that if hard times hit I have the capacity to can a lot of food whether it is veggies or wild game. I've been looking for the lids and purchasing what I could when they were available but for months there have been only bare shelves. That day was a good day.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


I also bought numerous lids, then was told or read that the lids are only good for a year. Do you know for sure?
 Quoting: bigD111


I'd say if you are worried about the life expectancy of the lids sitting on the shelf waiting to be utilized, then go and vacuum seal the lids until they are to be used. Heck, if you went to walmart and purchased them, do you think they were just placed on the shelf moments before you plucked it off that shelf? I won't worry about how long they remained on the shelf before purchase. I just worry about not having any right now. It's better to use "defective" seals sitting on a shelf for years than not having any.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


One can always use paraffin. Might be a stockpile purchase.
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You'd be surprised.

I'm well versed in amending soils with beneficial bacteria's and beneficial fungi, and the usual lime, and manure. I'm in partnership with Michigan State and other institutions that use biology/science to repair soils.

After WWII Dow chemical hired tons of Nazi's who in turn dumbed down/altered human chemical pesticides, to a war on bugs, and plants pesticides. Any chemical pesticide is useless, on every level, but I won't get into it on this thread.

I'm also an amateur mycologist, and understand how things unseen like the fungi world are not only important in growing crops, but anything living on this planet would die without fungi, and it's amazing mycelial network that is based on an intelligent symbiosis that is par with none on this planet. Not only can fungi and bacteria's amend soil quickly, but remove toxins rapidly by way of mycelial remediation as well.


But, your ground is wore out in most fields, bud.
You could go with intesvive rehab with manure and green cover crops like olden times, but your scale is prohibitvely too large at this point.
Again, how much ground and quantity produced is meaningless without nutrion from the soil.
It is why we have obesity to get the nutients through overloading with quantity not quality.

This may actally reset our agriculture in America, which would benefit everyone!
 Quoting: Tree of Life

 Quoting: Mangia


I take off my cowgirl hat to you, OP!

My handle here comes from five decades of foresrty work, and let me tell you... in the forested environment, fungi are the hardest workers out there, and make it all tick!

Yet, I remember my own great-grandpa changing his garden to a new spot every few years. He grew the nicest produce you've ever seen, and farmed wheat,soybeans, field corn, and barley with a team of horses, a plow, AND A MANURE SPREADER!!!

God Bless!
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I went to wallyworld a couple of days ago. Their canning section was barren. Absolutely nothing in eight foot of shelving from floor to top shelf......except......

A partially opened case of regular canning lids. I grabbed them up and tossed it into my shopping cart. Then my wife says, aren't these lids just like the ones you put into the cart? I look to where she was pointing and there were six cases of regular jar lids sitting on the shelf waiting to be purchased. Needless to say I GRABBED all six cases and placed them into the shopping cart. Did the rest of my shopping and then checked out. The total for the lids was about $225 but I know that amount of lids will last me the rest of my life.

Just a wonderful feeling to know that if hard times hit I have the capacity to can a lot of food whether it is veggies or wild game. I've been looking for the lids and purchasing what I could when they were available but for months there have been only bare shelves. That day was a good day.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


I also bought numerous lids, then was told or read that the lids are only good for a year. Do you know for sure?
 Quoting: bigD111


I'd say if you are worried about the life expectancy of the lids sitting on the shelf waiting to be utilized, then go and vacuum seal the lids until they are to be used. Heck, if you went to walmart and purchased them, do you think they were just placed on the shelf moments before you plucked it off that shelf? I won't worry about how long they remained on the shelf before purchase. I just worry about not having any right now. It's better to use "defective" seals sitting on a shelf for years than not having any.
 Quoting: Tynyyn


One can always use paraffin. Might be a stockpile purchase.
 Quoting: bigD111


That would be a huge stockpile of paraffin if you were gonna can 60 jars. But it is better than nothing. I like the paraffin for jams and jellies, though.
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We've been brainwashed since birth, anyone with IQ over 60 understands this.


Grocery stores are great, but when things get bad, and shelves are empty, then what?

Nothing to fear if we're prepared properly, but it'll take some doing, and brainwork as well.


Rural Michigan farmer, co-op seller, and all-around survivor here.


It's time people understand and know the truth, most of what they eat are bought for pennies, processed and sold for many times more than the pennies use to buy them. Capitalism at it finest when it works, but when it doesn't how can we all survive during massive inflation, or a collapse of the financial system.


Immediately start developing relationships with rural farmers, farm co-ops, and similar. Why? Because water and food are the most important thing. A millionaire will trade all his gold, just for a meal if his family is hungry enough when things get desperate.


Make sure to have a root-cellar, mason jars, and learn how to can everything. Buy a book on it, if you don't know how.


1) Potatoes/similar tubers a 100 pound bag can be bought, in the rural area farm for about $5 to $10, sometimes if farmers have excess even cheaper.

2) Carrots same as above, in fact, during deer hunting season there are massive bags at gas stations for about $5.

3) Buy in bulk, sacs of dried grains 50 to 100lbs less then $8 in season, and right after harvest.

4) Co-op cattle, and agree to prices and processing costs early on, then get a deep freezer, or learn to can meat.


5) Any veggies in season can be bought for a massive discount if people take the time to travel to rural areas and talk with the farmers directly. Maybe even bring them a gift, ask if they need help, (sometimes they'll even trade crops for temp-work.
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6) Grain processing mills. Know where all of them are within a 200 mile radius of your city, because 50-100lb sacks are cheap in season.

7) Absolutely learn to grow greens yourself, it can be done in the city easily all year round with a small greenhouse, even in Michigan.


Everything I've posted above can feed a family of 5-6 for Less than $200 a month or less, if done properly. Granted all the bling processed foods aren't included but everyone will eat well and survive an epic down-turn.
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I can DEFINITELY see a lot of that going on...
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I live is a rural city. At the farmers market they want double what the stores want! I asked why and was told well it is fresh. And how do I know that? You mean he picked several bushels of corn befor the marked opened? Lets face it in a pinch the farmers are going to cash in for all they can!
 Quoting: golden sun


Why should a farmer who sustains our very life work for pennies?

Video game programmers and the KARDASHIANS are rich, yet you begrudge a farmer charging well for his hard work?

Have you ever grown your own food? If you do this, you may have a different perspective on why brocolli and chicken are (or should be) expensive.

Farmers and those who work the fields and raise/slaughter animals should be treated as celebrities, honored, and well-compensated.
 Quoting: LaGata


First of all, he was responding to a post saying the prices would be much lower. Not what they should be but what they are.

Second, replace the word "farmer" with "large rural landowner" because they are often both. And as such they can often exert power in various ways, for example farm subsidies from Congress, or huge breaks on property tax. It shows them as people selling a product made by capital and labor in the market, not as moral paragons above others.

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We've been brainwashed since birth, anyone with IQ over 60 understands this.


Grocery stores are great, but when things get bad, and shelves are empty, then what?

Nothing to fear if we're prepared properly, but it'll take some doing, and brainwork as well.


Rural Michigan farmer, co-op seller, and all-around survivor here.


It's time people understand and know the truth, most of what they eat are bought for pennies, processed and sold for many times more than the pennies use to buy them. Capitalism at it finest when it works, but when it doesn't how can we all survive during massive inflation, or a collapse of the financial system.


Immediately start developing relationships with rural farmers, farm co-ops, and similar. Why? Because water and food are the most important thing. A millionaire will trade all his gold, just for a meal if his family is hungry enough when things get desperate.


Make sure to have a root-cellar, mason jars, and learn how to can everything. Buy a book on it, if you don't know how.


1) Potatoes/similar tubers a 100 pound bag can be bought, in the rural area farm for about $5 to $10, sometimes if farmers have excess even cheaper.

2) Carrots same as above, in fact, during deer hunting season there are massive bags at gas stations for about $5.

3) Buy in bulk, sacs of dried grains 50 to 100lbs less then $8 in season, and right after harvest.

4) Co-op cattle, and agree to prices and processing costs early on, then get a deep freezer, or learn to can meat.


5) Any veggies in season can be bought for a massive discount if people take the time to travel to rural areas and talk with the farmers directly. Maybe even bring them a gift, ask if they need help, sometimes they'll even trade crops for temp-work.

6) Grain processing mills. Know where all of them are within a 200 mile radius of your city, because 50-100lb sacks are cheap in season.

7) Absolutely learn to grow greens yourself, it can be done in the city easily all year round with a small greenhouse, even in Michigan.


Everything I've posted above can feed a family of 5-6 for Less than $200 a month or less, if done properly. Granted all the bling processed foods aren't included but everyone will eat well and survive an epic down-turn.
 Quoting: Mangia


This works with a small percentage of the population but the majority of the working class would be unable to go this route. Location.
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What about city folk near the coastal regions, far from the countryside farms?
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glad i own cannabis companies in michigan. own large warehouses to grow food alongside my crops
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That's really good advice. Problem is that there are NO canning supplies anywhere to be found. I can every year and I am almost out of lids. I can't find any anywhere.
 Quoting: Lucyinthe Sky


I went to wallyworld a couple of days ago. Their canning section was barren. Absolutely nothing in eight foot of shelving from floor to top shelf......except......

A partially opened case of regular canning lids. I grabbed them up and tossed it into my shopping cart. Then my wife says, aren't these lids just like the ones you put into the cart? I look to where she was pointing and there were six cases of regular jar lids sitting on the shelf waiting to be purchased. Needless to say I GRABBED all six cases and placed them into the shopping cart. Did the rest of my shopping and then checked out. The total for the lids was about $225 but I know that amount of lids will last me the rest of my life.

Just a wonderful feeling to know that if hard times hit I have the capacity to can a lot of food whether it is veggies or wild game. I've been looking for the lids and purchasing what I could when they were available but for months there have been only bare shelves. That day was a good day.
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Have you tried Joann and Hobby Lobby? I see them there almost all year around in stock. Check at Michaels too.
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We've picked up a dedicated team of glowie fucks who do everything they can to derail and cast doubt on any thread having to do with supply lines etc...

They've been around and getting more active since July especially.

They used to be able to run as AC's but now that's gone.

Still I'd imagine that there's hundreds if not thousands of burner member accounts that they can try to spread their FUD over to make what they're doing less obvious.

Convincing people that there's absolutely no supply chain Issues and that the crop reserves are in decent shape (when in truth because of some stuff trump did early in covid combined with warren Buffett charlie his friend bill Gates and china what little reserves we historically had NO LONGER EXIST outside of Silo networks and etc owned and controlled by Buffett etc!)

They need this crisis to be as much of a surprise as possible so us talking about it here is a major threat.
 Quoting: roguetechie81


Sounds about right!
 Quoting: bigD111


I've been spawn camping these motherfuckers for a couple months now. I recognize that particular one's writing style and the claims it makes when it's playing this particular persona.

In a perverse way I think we should all feel honored by the high level of sophistication and effort being put into this particular website.

At the same time, this is probably the best and only warning you're going to get to watch for accounts displaying anomalous behavior.

Also don't think because an account is OLD it's not one of them.

There's definitely a concerted effort being put out there to make it hard for people to trust ANY INFORMATION from any source currently and I can explain why.

Very smart potentially dangerous people are by nature prone to a failure mode known as paralysis by analysis.

In this failure mode, getting to the bottom of why information is contradictory all over the place and etc suddenly becomes more important than DOING THINGS.

If they can just keep us from collectively doing things they can get us in so deep that there's nothing left we CAN DO.
 Quoting: roguetechie81


You're a fucking retard, take your meds mental fuck. Everything I said is true....
 Quoting: Oz the Great and Powerful


No it isn't! No farmer sits down with USDA and allocates their crop. Total bunk! Besides that, USDA has no grain in storage. A farmer can take a loan against grain he has in storage, if he doesn't want to sell it all right away, but the USDA doesn't own it and has no say on when the grain is sold. Those are the facts!
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We've been brainwashed since birth, anyone with IQ over 60 understands this.


Grocery stores are great, but when things get bad, and shelves are empty, then what?

Nothing to fear if we're prepared properly, but it'll take some doing, and brainwork as well.


Rural Michigan farmer, co-op seller, and all-around survivor here.


It's time people understand and know the truth, most of what they eat are bought for pennies, processed and sold for many times more than the pennies use to buy them. Capitalism at it finest when it works, but when it doesn't how can we all survive during massive inflation, or a collapse of the financial system.


Immediately start developing relationships with rural farmers, farm co-ops, and similar. Why? Because water and food are the most important thing. A millionaire will trade all his gold, just for a meal if his family is hungry enough when things get desperate.


Make sure to have a root-cellar, mason jars, and learn how to can everything. Buy a book on it, if you don't know how.


1) Potatoes/similar tubers a 100 pound bag can be bought, in the rural area farm for about $5 to $10, sometimes if farmers have excess even cheaper.

2) Carrots same as above, in fact, during deer hunting season there are massive bags at gas stations for about $5.

3) Buy in bulk, sacs of dried grains 50 to 100lbs less then $8 in season, and right after harvest.

4) Co-op cattle, and agree to prices and processing costs early on, then get a deep freezer, or learn to can meat.


5) Any veggies in season can be bought for a massive discount if people take the time to travel to rural areas and talk with the farmers directly. Maybe even bring them a gift, ask if they need help, sometimes they'll even trade crops for temp-work.

6) Grain processing mills. Know where all of them are within a 200 mile radius of your city, because 50-100lb sacks are cheap in season.

7) Absolutely learn to grow greens yourself, it can be done in the city easily all year round with a small greenhouse, even in Michigan.


Everything I've posted above can feed a family of 5-6 for Less than $200 a month or less, if done properly. Granted all the bling processed foods aren't included but everyone will eat well and survive an epic down-turn.
 Quoting: Mangia


Hmmm, lets see, do a search on here takes one back a decade for this reported food shortage... fail. Seasons change. Food production vacillates. Americans throw away 50% of what they eat. I think we will be ok...
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How do you co-op cattle?





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