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THE DEAD SLEEP UNTIL THE RESURRECTION - Didn’t Jesus tell the thief on the cross that they would be in heaven that day?

 
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THE DEAD SLEEP UNTIL THE RESURRECTION - Didn’t Jesus tell the thief on the cross that they would be in heaven that day?
Text in question: Luke 23:43

“Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.’ ”

Proof texts: John 20:17; John 19:31–33

The repentance of the thief on the cross is a powerful story indeed. It shows us that conversions can happen at the end of one’s life; that even the vilest criminals will be accepted by God if they come to Him; that no more than a request for salvation made in faith is required by God.

However, it also gives many the impression that paradise in heaven awaits them immediately upon death. The story of the thief on the cross is one of the most widely cited texts to support this idea of life after death. The text does appear to say that both Jesus and the thief will be in paradise after death on that day, the day of their deaths. It’s easy to understand why many people are confused about this text.

In order for the text to be true, as written, then both Jesus and the thief would have to end the day in heaven. Otherwise, Jesus would be lying! Does the rest of the Bible support such a scenario?

Let’s look at John chapter 20, a story that occurs on resurrection Sunday, when Mary Magdalene finds Christ’s empty tomb. She talks with Christ, thinking He is the gardener. When she realizes that He is the risen Lord, she moves to hug him. His response in verse 17 tells us something important about death and the afterlife. The verse reads:

“Jesus said to her, ‘Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, “I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.”’”

Did you catch that? According to the words of Christ Himself, He had not gone to heaven on Friday, the day He died. He still had not been there as of Sunday morning! Jesus could not have been telling the thief that they would be in heaven together that very day. He would have been speaking a lie.

How, then, can we understand the text in Luke 23?

The problem actually lies with the placement of the comma. As it reads, the text says both men would be in heaven on Friday. We’ve seen from the Bible that this cannot be true. But if you move the comma one word to the right, it becomes:

“Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.’ ”

Indeed, Jesus did tell the thief on that day that paradise awaited him. God commonly uses phrases like “I tell you this day…” in the Bible. See Deuteronomy 7:11, 8:1, 9:3, 10:13, 13:18, and 15:5 for some examples.

Is it wrong to “change” the Bible in this way? In fact, the original Greek manuscript contained no punctuation at all! If we were to read the passage in Luke according to the manner in which it was originally written, it would look like this:

ANDJESUSSAIDTOHIMASSUREDLYISAYTOYOUTODAYYOUWILLBEWITHMEINPARA​DISE

The commas, periods, quotation marks, and even the spaces between the words were added to the Bible by the various translators over time. In light of the other biblical evidence, it becomes clear that the comma, which was not part of the inspired original writing, was misplaced by a translator and copied by everyone else subsequently.

Christ did not go to heaven at His death because He spent the Sabbath day resting in the grave. The repentant thief also went to the sleep of death and is awaiting the return of Jesus Christ with the rest of the sleeping saints.

*All scripture quotations, unless otherwise indicated, are taken from the New King James Version®. Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc. Used by permission. All rights reserved.

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Well he certainly didn't tell him yesterday.

Paradise means garden and refers to Abraham's Bosom in the earth, not heaven. See the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. Moving the comma changes the meaning, it should not be done or understood with the comma moved.

St. Luke 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Move the comma two places and it becomes a question:

St. Luke 4:21 And he began to say unto them this day, Is this scripture fulfilled in your ears?
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Well he certainly didn't tell him yesterday.

Paradise means garden and refers to Abraham's Bosom in the earth, not heaven. See the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. Moving the comma changes the meaning, it should not be done or understood with the comma moved.

St. Luke 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Move the comma two places and it becomes a question:

St. Luke 4:21 And he began to say unto them this day, Is this scripture fulfilled in your ears?
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It just feels more satisfying to think Jesus said, Today you will be with me in paradise, rather than ‘,Today you will fall asleep for thousands of years until the end of the age. ‘
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There seems to be quite a few example of Jesus saying, “I say to you…” in the Bible, but that would be the only example of him saying, “I say to you TODAY…” At least that I know of.
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Assuming paradise refers to heaven, since the only 2 other places in the Bible that use the word paradise refers to heaven, that would mean that the thief was raptured to heaven before Jesus who, as was pointed out, didn't go up to heaven yet. Assuming still that the thief was raptured up with everyone else worthy in Abraham's Bosom, which would imply they were judged which doesn't occur until the last day, Revelation which was written decades later speaks of a first and second resurrection. If the first happened on the day Jesus died, then the wording should have been, Blessed is he who hath taken part in the first resurrection, past tense, since it already occured.

Paradise in that verse therefore does not refer to heaven but Abraham's Bosom.
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It just feels more satisfying to think Jesus said, Today you will be with me in paradise, rather than ‘,Today you will fall asleep for thousands of years until the end of the age. ‘
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It sure beats being alive and awake in hell.

1 day is as a thousand years in the spirit realm. Imagine having no sense of time passing.

Ever slept for a long time and woke up and felt like no time passed? Today, you're going to go to sleep in Abraham's Bosom rather than awaking in hell, because thou hast believed on me. That's sounds good.

St. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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only the body sleeps


rich man and Lazarus and Abraham

all wide awake and aware of the situation in Hades


rich man on the "torment" side of Hades
- where the unrighteous dead go

Lazarus on the Paradise / Abraham's Bosom side of Hades
- where the righteous dead went

send Lazarus with some water to cool my tongue...

a great gulf fixed between the two sides

send Lazarus to my brothers so they will not come to this awful place


Paradise / Abraham's bosom was emptied

when He led captivity free
and took all the righteous dead from Paradise into the heavens

only the "Torment" side of Hades continues to be populated with unrighteous dead

every righteous dead from the resurrection and ascension onward
absent from the body
present with the Lord

the trib. saints call out from under the altar
how long until you avenge our blood?

no one is "unconscious" until the resurrection of the body

everyone who has exited this life
is wide awake and aware of where they are
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It just feels more satisfying to think Jesus said, Today you will be with me in paradise, rather than ‘,Today you will fall asleep for thousands of years until the end of the age. ‘
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It sure beats being alive and awake in hell.

1 day is as a thousand years in the spirit realm. Imagine having no sense of time passing.

Ever slept for a long time and woke up and felt like no time passed? Today, you're going to go to sleep in Abraham's Bosom rather than awaking in hell, because thou hast believed on me. That's sounds good.

St. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is God Almighty



John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

This verse sounds like there will be mansions or homes awaiting his disciples immediately after they die, not thousands of years later.
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It just feels more satisfying to think Jesus said, Today you will be with me in paradise, rather than ‘,Today you will fall asleep for thousands of years until the end of the age. ‘
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It sure beats being alive and awake in hell.

1 day is as a thousand years in the spirit realm. Imagine having no sense of time passing.

Ever slept for a long time and woke up and felt like no time passed? Today, you're going to go to sleep in Abraham's Bosom rather than awaking in hell, because thou hast believed on me. That's sounds good.

St. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is God Almighty



John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

This verse sounds like there will be mansions or homes awaiting his disciples immediately after they die, not thousands of years later.
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I'm sure it does sound like that to you.

But in this creation, including the one in which heaven now exists, there is evil, and death.

The mansions are planets in the new creation, just as he gave this planet to Adam who would still be alive today with us had he not sinned.
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Text in question: Luke 23:43

“Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.’ ”

Proof texts: John 20:17; John 19:31–33

The repentance of the thief on the cross is a powerful story indeed. It shows us that conversions can happen at the end of one’s life; that even the vilest criminals will be accepted by God if they come to Him; that no more than a request for salvation made in faith is required by God.

However, it also gives many the impression that paradise in heaven awaits them immediately upon death. The story of the thief on the cross is one of the most widely cited texts to support this idea of life after death. The text does appear to say that both Jesus and the thief will be in paradise after death on that day, the day of their deaths. It’s easy to understand why many people are confused about this text.

In order for the text to be true, as written, then both Jesus and the thief would have to end the day in heaven. Otherwise, Jesus would be lying! Does the rest of the Bible support such a scenario?

Let’s look at John chapter 20, a story that occurs on resurrection Sunday, when Mary Magdalene finds Christ’s empty tomb. She talks with Christ, thinking He is the gardener. When she realizes that He is the risen Lord, she moves to hug him. His response in verse 17 tells us something important about death and the afterlife. The verse reads:

“Jesus said to her, ‘Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, “I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.”’”

Did you catch that? According to the words of Christ Himself, He had not gone to heaven on Friday, the day He died. He still had not been there as of Sunday morning! Jesus could not have been telling the thief that they would be in heaven together that very day. He would have been speaking a lie.

How, then, can we understand the text in Luke 23?

The problem actually lies with the placement of the comma. As it reads, the text says both men would be in heaven on Friday. We’ve seen from the Bible that this cannot be true. But if you move the comma one word to the right, it becomes:

“Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.’ ”

Indeed, Jesus did tell the thief on that day that paradise awaited him. God commonly uses phrases like “I tell you this day…” in the Bible. See Deuteronomy 7:11, 8:1, 9:3, 10:13, 13:18, and 15:5 for some examples.

Is it wrong to “change” the Bible in this way? In fact, the original Greek manuscript contained no punctuation at all! If we were to read the passage in Luke according to the manner in which it was originally written, it would look like this:

ANDJESUSSAIDTOHIMASSUREDLYISAYTOYOUTODAYYOUWILLBEWITHMEINPARA​DISE

The commas, periods, quotation marks, and even the spaces between the words were added to the Bible by the various translators over time. In light of the other biblical evidence, it becomes clear that the comma, which was not part of the inspired original writing, was misplaced by a translator and copied by everyone else subsequently.

Christ did not go to heaven at His death because He spent the Sabbath day resting in the grave. The repentant thief also went to the sleep of death and is awaiting the return of Jesus Christ with the rest of the sleeping saints.

*All scripture quotations, unless otherwise indicated, are taken from the New King James Version®. Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc. Used by permission. All rights reserved.

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The misunderstanding comes from making an assumption, and that assumption is that Paradise = Heaven, it does not. When people die they all go to Sheol. In Sheol, there is an area known as paradise, see the parable of Abraham's bosom, and separated by a great abyss is hell. The dead are not sleeping in graves, they are fully aware in either paradise or hell. Thus, Jesus words mean exactly what they say. In, Jesus's case, he went to paradise, but he had not yet ascended to heaven, two completely different places.
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It just feels more satisfying to think Jesus said, Today you will be with me in paradise, rather than ‘,Today you will fall asleep for thousands of years until the end of the age. ‘
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It sure beats being alive and awake in hell.

1 day is as a thousand years in the spirit realm. Imagine having no sense of time passing.

Ever slept for a long time and woke up and felt like no time passed? Today, you're going to go to sleep in Abraham's Bosom rather than awaking in hell, because thou hast believed on me. That's sounds good.

St. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is God Almighty



John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

This verse sounds like there will be mansions or homes awaiting his disciples immediately after they die, not thousands of years later.
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I'm sure it does sound like that to you.

But in this creation, including the one in which heaven now exists, there is evil, and death.

The mansions are planets in the new creation, just as he gave this planet to Adam who would still be alive today with us had he not sinned.
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if Adam had chosen the tree of life

then none of us would be here

Adam and Eve in their state of sinless innocence

didn't do the deed

if they had chosen the tree of life
they probably wouldn't have done the deed

do you think the conversation between Eve and the serpent happened on the same day she was given to Adam

no this whole setup was from before the foundation of the world
Adam and Eve were created to fall
that was the plan before even the heavens and the earth were created
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That's easy. Paradise and Heaven are two different places.
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Paradise is not heaven. Paradise is inside the Earth . Abrahams blossom.

Study the story of lazorus and tge rich man.

Earth is flat with 2 inner chambers.


Before Jesus was crucified the souls of tge dead were stored inside the Earth. Thats why the bible says Jesus spent 3 days in the earth, setting tge captives free.


All tge scriptures are there. Study it out.
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The repentance of the thief on the cross is a powerful story indeed. It shows us that conversions can happen at the end of one’s life; that even the vilest criminals will be accepted by God if they come to Him; that no more than a request for salvation made in faith is required by God.
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There are so many who are going to be supremely disappointed when their judgment sends them off to the Lake of Fire.

They include those who:

-claim or believe all one has to do is request salvation or profess belief in Jesus Christ

-perform or think in other forms of heresy- such as...

-are waiting for a pre-trib rapture that isn't coming

-do not understand what it means and takes to be vigilant and spiritually wise enough to identify and evade the mark

-make up their own covenant and expect the Lord to adhere to it.


If only getting to "heaven" were as simple as verbalizing a commitment to the Lord.
Instead- it is very much exactly as we are all warned in Rev 3:21

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne

Which most seem to ignore or miss. Jesus didn't "overcome" divorce or drug addiction. He also didn't overcome a simple repentance. He overcame hardcore pain, suffering, persection and death.

You will too if you expect to be among the few.

You best repent, get saved and THEN remove yourself from living in Satan's system (the modern world) and live as sin free as possible 24/7 without going back...THEN avoid the MotB...and prove your true faith by accepting persecution and execution over that mark.

We are told this in Matthew 7:12-13

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Understand? No shortcuts or half efforts will cut it for the final generation.

And referencing any Bible but the KJV when it comes to English interpretation is a bad idea.
If it isn't in The Bible then it is just conspiracy theory.
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Its a matter of where the comma goes.. Today, I say to you.. as in he today he is telling him.
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Paradise is not Heaven...

it is another place...before Heaven..


Remember after Jesus resurrected he tole Mary Magdelena

"touch me not, for I have not acended to my Father in Heaven yet"
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Paradise is not Heaven...

it is another place...before Heaven..


Remember after Jesus resurrected he tole Mary Magdelena

"touch me not, for I have not acended to my Father in Heaven yet"
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Paradise is not heaven. Paradise is inside the Earth . Abrahams blossom.

Study the story of lazorus and tge rich man.

Earth is flat with 2 inner chambers.


Before Jesus was crucified the souls of tge dead were stored inside the Earth. Thats why the bible says Jesus spent 3 days in the earth, setting tge captives free.


All tge scriptures are there. Study it out.
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Text in question: Luke 23:43

“Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.’ ”

Proof texts: John 20:17; John 19:31–33

The repentance of the thief on the cross is a powerful story indeed. It shows us that conversions can happen at the end of one’s life; that even the vilest criminals will be accepted by God if they come to Him; that no more than a request for salvation made in faith is required by God.

However, it also gives many the impression that paradise in heaven awaits them immediately upon death. The story of the thief on the cross is one of the most widely cited texts to support this idea of life after death. The text does appear to say that both Jesus and the thief will be in paradise after death on that day, the day of their deaths. It’s easy to understand why many people are confused about this text.

In order for the text to be true, as written, then both Jesus and the thief would have to end the day in heaven. Otherwise, Jesus would be lying! Does the rest of the Bible support such a scenario?

Let’s look at John chapter 20, a story that occurs on resurrection Sunday, when Mary Magdalene finds Christ’s empty tomb. She talks with Christ, thinking He is the gardener. When she realizes that He is the risen Lord, she moves to hug him. His response in verse 17 tells us something important about death and the afterlife. The verse reads:

“Jesus said to her, ‘Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, “I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.”’”

Did you catch that? According to the words of Christ Himself, He had not gone to heaven on Friday, the day He died. He still had not been there as of Sunday morning! Jesus could not have been telling the thief that they would be in heaven together that very day. He would have been speaking a lie.

How, then, can we understand the text in Luke 23?

The problem actually lies with the placement of the comma. As it reads, the text says both men would be in heaven on Friday. We’ve seen from the Bible that this cannot be true. But if you move the comma one word to the right, it becomes:

“Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.’ ”

Indeed, Jesus did tell the thief on that day that paradise awaited him. God commonly uses phrases like “I tell you this day…” in the Bible. See Deuteronomy 7:11, 8:1, 9:3, 10:13, 13:18, and 15:5 for some examples.

Is it wrong to “change” the Bible in this way? In fact, the original Greek manuscript contained no punctuation at all! If we were to read the passage in Luke according to the manner in which it was originally written, it would look like this:

ANDJESUSSAIDTOHIMASSUREDLYISAYTOYOUTODAYYOUWILLBEWITHMEINPARA​DISE

The commas, periods, quotation marks, and even the spaces between the words were added to the Bible by the various translators over time. In light of the other biblical evidence, it becomes clear that the comma, which was not part of the inspired original writing, was misplaced by a translator and copied by everyone else subsequently.

Christ did not go to heaven at His death because He spent the Sabbath day resting in the grave. The repentant thief also went to the sleep of death and is awaiting the return of Jesus Christ with the rest of the sleeping saints.

*All scripture quotations, unless otherwise indicated, are taken from the New King James Version®. Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc. Used by permission. All rights reserved.

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Jesus told him that day, that he would be with Jesus in paradise.
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Assuming paradise refers to heaven, since the only 2 other places in the Bible that use the word paradise refers to heaven, that would mean that the thief was raptured to heaven before Jesus who, as was pointed out, didn't go up to heaven yet. Assuming still that the thief was raptured up with everyone else worthy in Abraham's Bosom, which would imply they were judged which doesn't occur until the last day, Revelation which was written decades later speaks of a first and second resurrection. If the first happened on the day Jesus died, then the wording should have been, Blessed is he who hath taken part in the first resurrection, past tense, since it already occured.

Paradise in that verse therefore does not refer to heaven but Abraham's Bosom.
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Time doesn’t exist
At this moments at this time
The resurrection happened here on this time.
The thief saw Jesus in a twinkle of an eye
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Assuming paradise refers to heaven, since the only 2 other places in the Bible that use the word paradise refers to heaven, that would mean that the thief was raptured to heaven before Jesus who, as was pointed out, didn't go up to heaven yet. Assuming still that the thief was raptured up with everyone else worthy in Abraham's Bosom, which would imply they were judged which doesn't occur until the last day, Revelation which was written decades later speaks of a first and second resurrection. If the first happened on the day Jesus died, then the wording should have been, Blessed is he who hath taken part in the first resurrection, past tense, since it already occured.

Paradise in that verse therefore does not refer to heaven but Abraham's Bosom.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is God Almighty


Time doesn’t exist
At this moments at this time
The resurrection happened here on this time.
The thief saw Jesus in a twinkle of an eye
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makes sense
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Note, in case anyone has already mentioned this ….sorry. I haven’t read anything past the first page of posts before I am posting this…..



So you also have to stop and think…….God’s time perception is extremely different than man’s time perception . Like 1 day equaling 1000 years as an example.

I think that it’s more than likely that as far as “man’s perception” of time , the dead stay dead and in the ground untill Judgement Day, when The Lord commands everyone to rise for judgement.


But as far as how God himself and ALL of “the dead” may see time…….: I think it may be INSTANT …. Meaning , as soon as you die , time is no longer a construct you are bound by. I think that as soon as you die you are instantly materialized into The Judgement and your fate decided.


Hence when Jesus told the other man hanged about them both going to paradise. when they both I had passed they would see one another almost instantaneous to them as far as their sense of time having passed……. Just my own thoughts and theory on how time perception and it’s passing, relate to Judgement Day and end times

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I see you bumped the thread.

Most of the answers are very close to being correct.

Yes, Paradise is the same as Abraham's Bosom.

No, Abraham's Bosom was not 'emptied out'. It still exists.

The saved are there resting as can be seen in this verse...

Revelation 6:11
"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."


BTW...

The Throne Room and Abraham's Bosom are one and the same.

It is also called the Third Heaven.
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Never mind, read your post further and you got it...

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Re: THE DEAD SLEEP UNTIL THE RESURRECTION - Didn’t Jesus tell the thief on the cross that they would be in heaven that day?
Your assuming Time exists...

If it doesn't..it all happens at once and is instantaneous...

These are concepts, that Romans, and such, wouldn't understand.

While its nice to try and decipher the bible as a text..

There is no accounting for science, spirit, and other phenomenons, you, or those in the text, dont understand...

For the thief...it might very well be TODAY. Who are you to say otherwise?

Heaven obviously exists outside of time, or is timeless...its ALWAYS present..So Jesus didn't lie to him.
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Your assuming Time exists...

If it doesn't..it all happens at once and is instantaneous...

These are concepts, that Romans, and such, wouldn't understand.

While its nice to try and decipher the bible as a text..

There is no accounting for science, spirit, and other phenomenons, you, or those in the text, dont understand...

For the thief...it might very well be TODAY. Who are you to say otherwise?

Heaven obviously exists outside of time, or is timeless...its ALWAYS present..So Jesus didn't lie to him.
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yes the more I think about it the more I think its happening instantaneously to the dead which seems like a lot of time to us here.
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I see you bumped the thread.

Most of the answers are very close to being correct.

Yes, Paradise is the same as Abraham's Bosom.

No, Abraham's Bosom was not 'emptied out'. It still exists.

The saved are there resting as can be seen in this verse...

Revelation 6:11
"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."


BTW...

The Throne Room and Abraham's Bosom are one and the same.

It is also called the Third Heaven.
 Quoting: Base12


yeah it got me thinking again when my dad passed yesterday morning.





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