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But you probably won't hear about that on the MSM - they want everyone to continue to think Biden is The King.
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Fake news.

No confirmation in any part of the story.

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"7 buses filled with world-renowned orchestra performers — 280 girls all approved to go,” said Robert Stryk, a Washington fixer who has been coordinating private evacuation efforts in conjunction with former Navy SEAL and US Congressman Scott Taylor (R-Va.)."

“Our hearts are broken, he added. “These young girls spent 17 hours on a hot bus with no food or water and were 393 feet from freedom but were denied entry into the airport because the United States government gave [the Taliban] the power to override the US Army’s 82nd Airborne."


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Thank you for providing a confirmation. This is devastating and heartbreaking.
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I have searched and searched, all references to this go back to the original tweet.

One single source.

And it has been hours, there should have been another source by now.
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lets not forget boko haram "allegedly" did the same thing, and who paid their bills? come on, its clown world now
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Remember Bush's reaction when he got the message the "plane" hit the 1st tower?

Nothing being done and concentrating on a kids storybook

Same thing over again

This military apathy is beyond insane
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lol

That was hilarious!
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and the book was upsidedown, to make it even more obvious
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I have searched and searched, all references to this go back to the original tweet.

One single source.

And it has been hours, there should have been another source by now.
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CIRCLE BACK JEN

in today's presser said there are only like 300 or 150 AMERIKANS left

you can trust her
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Feminist, where ya at?
If you live video games, check out my twitch ^_^. I recently started streaming games on there

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Taliban= American and European alphabet agents and their lackeys.

It is our own intel agents who are doing this.

They know exactly what is going on.
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TALIBAN hopefully realized their treasure they acquired
hopefully with their musical instruments they can hear the communication OF GOD THRU THE NOTE

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NY Post says AFGHAN Girls, not Americans, nothing to see here.
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Of course these young ladies deserve to be saved, but so do ours and our allies. Its sickening that this story is not getting anymore attention.
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Your inaccurate and highly deceptive thread title has been up for 5 hours now, OP. Are you going to change it to reflect reality, or leave it as-is in an effort to rile people up?

According to the NY Post article, these were Afghan girls, NOT AMERICANS. We do not need any more goddamn agitprop, thank you.

OP, there’s an old saying in the military, that if you’re going to stir shit you have to lick the spoon. Hope you like the taste.
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I have no intentions of deceiving anyone. I repeated the story as it was initially coming out. Of course, now that more info is available, I will gladly change the title of the thread.

That said, this story is no less infuriating than had it been American women on those busses. What is taking place in Afghanistan is nothing less that vile. Those young women were innocent people caught up in this mess.
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Brilliant... it's a trojan horse.

All of the women were from New Jersey.

We're about to win this war and nobody even realizes it.


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Feminist, where ya at?
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Remember all those white feminists who decided to join Islam and started wearing hijabs?
Yes, we literally do live in hell/clown world/ whatever you want to call it.
It's real.
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Of course these young ladies deserve to be saved, but so do ours and our allies. Its sickening that this story is not getting anymore attention.
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Your inaccurate and highly deceptive thread title has been up for 5 hours now, OP. Are you going to change it to reflect reality, or leave it as-is in an effort to rile people up?

According to the NY Post article, these were Afghan girls, NOT AMERICANS. We do not need any more goddamn agitprop, thank you.

OP, there’s an old saying in the military, that if you’re going to stir shit you have to lick the spoon. Hope you like the taste.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53679540


I have no intentions of deceiving anyone. I repeated the story as it was initially coming out. Of course, now that more info is available, I will gladly change the title of the thread.

That said, this story is no less infuriating than had it been American women on those busses. What is taking place in Afghanistan is nothing less that vile. Those young women were innocent people caught up in this mess.
 Quoting: Rabbit In The Hat


These young women are in their own country where they belong. The US had no right to put them in danger by luring them to the airport with empty promises. Now they’ve probably been captured by the Talibans to become wives, servants or worse, whereas if they’d stayed in their villages with their families they could still be leading normal brown people lives.
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The women are likely dead.
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More than likely they are now betrothed to Taliban fighters.

That way the Taliban can make Anchor babies, with US citizenship.
Easy way to sneak future terrorists or Suicide bombers into the US.
Always think in terms of a long game, as your enemies if they are smart are doing so.
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One thing is certain, these women are in danger if they aren’t already dead. This whole situation is nothing but a huge shit show. It’s sad that our fellow citizens have been abandoned.
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They're likely raped, but not yet dead. Why the twitterer seems to assume they'd be dead a mere ten minutes after being taken, is not explained and seems ludicrous. The best looking ones are likely being taken as wives. Either way, how on Earth our military folks didn't allow them through is unreal to me. You'd think a commander on the ground would do what is right regardless of orders, where American lives are at stake.
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NO, the fucking point is that you are pushing a story that is a LIE ["the women are likely dead."] and furthering a false narrative that will only march us back into the same pointless war all over again.
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... just curious ... you know the taliban to be honorable? ...
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... how so? ... you have interaction with them? ....
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 Quoting: wisconsin


Precious, where exactly did I state that? By all means live your life drawing conclusions based upon your assumptions!

BUT CHEW ON THESE FACTS:

If you want to talk about honor, shall we examine the strings of trophy necklaces G.I.s brought home from Vietnam? The ones strung with the ears and fingers of the VietCong?

And in the same war we also had Lt. William Calley, who was convicted of war crimes after he ordered the brutal slaughter of between 304-547 [and those are official US Army estimates] civilian men, women and children as young as 12, 22 of whom Calley personally killed. BTW: those women were first gang-raped before their bodies were mutilated. And as for Calley? He eventually got off with a court martial and life sentence... followed by a Presidential pardon wher ehe only served THREE YEARS OF HOUSE ARREST. Today Calley is walking around free in Florida.

Or, how about those pics taken at Abu Ghraib in 2004? Where FEMALE soldiers proudly posed mocking tortured captives?

And, in 2011 in Khandahar, we had U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Robert Bales who after night of binge-drinking Jack Daniels [and watching a Denzel Washington movie glorifying wanton revenge] he strolled out and -using his firearms and a knife- personally killed 16 Afghani civilians: NINE CHILDREN as young as 2 years old, four women and three men. He's currently serving a life sentence in Leavenworth for those war crimes. FYI: Last December and just before he left office President Trump flatly refused to overturn that sentence... but that too was scrubbed from the MSM and the public consciousness.

People like yourself seem to have conveniently forgotten about those atrocities because they shatter the quaint notion that American soldiers don't engage in barbarism.

But the fact is, we are no more morally superior than anyone else on this planet because there are dozens of similar documented instances going all the way back to the Civil War.

But you go right ahead and keep pointing that accusing finger; just remember that when you do so there are three more pointing right back at you.
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So, those things from the past make it perfectly acceptable for the Taliban to take these young women and subject them to fates nightmares are made of?

There are no fingers pointing at me, or most of us, as we never committed any atrocities. These abducted women never committed atrocities.

The examples you present were countered with punishment. Will the Taliban be punished???

Oh, and the whole Abu Ghraib thing -- you consider being naked and having women's bloomers over your head torture?? You clearly have no idea what the Taliban met out as torture. The shit they do makes the Viet Cong look like boy scouts in comparison.

I think you are drunk, and need a break.
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As a matter of fact, I don't drink nor require it to assuage a guilty conscience. But I AM smart enough to recognize propaganda when I see it and there's plenty flying around the internet and MSM as I write this. Now then, let's do a little critical thinking here...

1. We don't even know if those buses were actually seized by the Taliban. It could just as easily have been ISIS or ISIS-K or any number of other splinter groups operating in that area. And to state emphatically that it was Taliban is as ridiculous as claiming that all Trump supporters are White supremacists or all black people support BLM.

2. Likewise we don't know what's going on with that detained orchestra. And until we do everything else is mere speculation. What we DO know is that they weren't American citizens as this thread accuses... something my own NY POST link verified on page ONE of this thread. Meanwhile Emily Miller's tweet is being accepted as gospel by God-fearing Americans everywhere... and that's my biggest beef with this whole topic.

3. Further, it's perfectly fair to reference our own American historical wartime atrocities, particularly when talking to those who believe we can do no wrong because, after all: we represent the one-and-only-true-God-Mom-Apple pie-and-all-that-is-wholesome-and-moral; the trouble is history proves that we DON't live up to those lofty standards. With every new invasion we just change the rules to make it seem so.

4. As for PUNISHMENT? Calley personally killed 22 civilians and lost a command he never should've been given in the first place, but still only got a slap on the wrist for brutally raping, slaughtering and then mutilating those civilians. Some justice, there! That's like saying OJ was innocent because "if it don't fit, you must aquit."

5. Now then: let's take a good look at Abu Ghraib where the torture went far beyond the nudity and "bloomers" as you deride. Does the term "waterboarding" mean anything to you? Or how about battery cables clamped on the prisoner's genitals? And if that doesn't convince you, then how about good old-fashioned homicide? Because that was the conclusion of the US Army autopsy performed on Manadel al-Jemadi. A murder -BTW- where NOBODY was ever charged with that crime. And to add a little more immorality, his body was further desecrated when those American guards posed it in the background as they leered before the cameras grinning from ear-to-ear.

As for the Abu Ghraib commander Brigadier General Janis Karpinski? She was merely demoted to a Colonel and allowed to continue serving until her retirement... after which she wrote a book claiming to be a scapegoat. She wasn't even accused of mistreating those prisoners, instead among the formal charges was one for shoplifting!

But that was an America-the-not-so-beautiful that quickly faded once the lurid, damning pictures made the rounds. Because -after all- it was OUR boys and girls who did it and they had every right because those were TERRORISTS who deserved everything they got!

And I suspect that's exactly what the Taliban, ISIS and ISIS-K are all saying right this very second about us.

FYI: before you point another accusing finger in my direction, I happen to be a grass-roots supporter [from June of 2015] of President Trump who sat 30' away from the man and listened along with only 300 others when he spoke at my state's caucus in the spring of 2016. LONG before the massive crowds that later attended his rallies.

DRUNK? I wish I was!

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"7 buses filled with world-renowned orchestra performers — 280 girls all approved to go,” said Robert Stryk, a Washington fixer who has been coordinating private evacuation efforts in conjunction with former Navy SEAL and US Congressman Scott Taylor (R-Va.)."

“Our hearts are broken, he added. “These young girls spent 17 hours on a hot bus with no food or water and were 393 feet from freedom but were denied entry into the airport because the United States government gave [the Taliban] the power to override the US Army’s 82nd Airborne."


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 Quoting: Rusticbrew


The original post bu the OANN reporter stated that there were 270 AMERICAN women and one US congressman on the buses. It's not that I do not have absolute sympathy with the Afghan women; I believe they should have been allowed to get on one of the last flights out of the country. The Taliban hate women and music, so this isn't going to end well for the women. That said, the initial reporting was sensationalist and false. She did a huge disservice to the Afghan women by claiming they were Americans, as everyone knew there were not 270 American women trying to leave the country.

The Commander should have said fuck you to the Taliban and he didn't. He should be held responsible if anything happens to these women, especially since he allowed untold number of Taliban terrorists on those flights.

I do not understand why the Taliban continue to exist. It seems more civilians were killed in that war than actual terrorists. I pray that these girls are okay. I pray that God intervenes somehow. I hate the cowardice of the CG. I hate fucking Biden who as Commander in Chief should have intervened on these girls behalf. How is it that the CG couldn't get in touch with anyone higher up if he didn't have the balls to tell the Taliban to fuck off?
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Of course these young ladies deserve to be saved, but so do ours and our allies. Its sickening that this story is not getting anymore attention.
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Your inaccurate and highly deceptive thread title has been up for 5 hours now, OP. Are you going to change it to reflect reality, or leave it as-is in an effort to rile people up?

According to the NY Post article, these were Afghan girls, NOT AMERICANS. We do not need any more goddamn agitprop, thank you.

OP, there’s an old saying in the military, that if you’re going to stir shit you have to lick the spoon. Hope you like the taste.
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THANK YOU for changing the title!! You have my respect, sir.
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Precious, where exactly did I state that? By all means live your life drawing conclusions based upon your assumptions!

BUT CHEW ON THESE FACTS:

If you want to talk about honor, shall we examine the strings of trophy necklaces G.I.s brought home from Vietnam? The ones strung with the ears and fingers of the VietCong?

And in the same war we also had Lt. William Calley, who was convicted of war crimes after he ordered the brutal slaughter of between 304-547 [and those are official US Army estimates] civilian men, women and children as young as 12, 22 of whom Calley personally killed. BTW: those women were first gang-raped before their bodies were mutilated. And as for Calley? He eventually got off with a court martial and life sentence... followed by a Presidential pardon wher ehe only served THREE YEARS OF HOUSE ARREST. Today Calley is walking around free in Florida.

Or, how about those pics taken at Abu Ghraib in 2004? Where FEMALE soldiers proudly posed mocking tortured captives?

And, in 2011 in Khandahar, we had U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Robert Bales who after night of binge-drinking Jack Daniels [and watching a Denzel Washington movie glorifying wanton revenge] he strolled out and -using his firearms and a knife- personally killed 16 Afghani civilians: NINE CHILDREN as young as 2 years old, four women and three men. He's currently serving a life sentence in Leavenworth for those war crimes. FYI: Last December and just before he left office President Trump flatly refused to overturn that sentence... but that too was scrubbed from the MSM and the public consciousness.

People like yourself seem to have conveniently forgotten about those atrocities because they shatter the quaint notion that American soldiers don't engage in barbarism.

But the fact is, we are no more morally superior than anyone else on this planet because there are dozens of similar documented instances going all the way back to the Civil War.

But you go right ahead and keep pointing that accusing finger; just remember that when you do so there are three more pointing right back at you.
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So, those things from the past make it perfectly acceptable for the Taliban to take these young women and subject them to fates nightmares are made of?

There are no fingers pointing at me, or most of us, as we never committed any atrocities. These abducted women never committed atrocities.

The examples you present were countered with punishment. Will the Taliban be punished???

Oh, and the whole Abu Ghraib thing -- you consider being naked and having women's bloomers over your head torture?? You clearly have no idea what the Taliban met out as torture. The shit they do makes the Viet Cong look like boy scouts in comparison.

I think you are drunk, and need a break.
 Quoting: Ladye Jayne Smith


As a matter of fact, I don't drink nor require it to assuage a guilty conscience. But I AM smart enough to recognize propaganda when I see it and there's plenty flying around the internet and MSM as I write this. Now then, let's do a little critical thinking here...

1. We don't even know if those buses were actually seized by the Taliban. It could just as easily have been ISIS or ISIS-K or any number of other splinter groups operating in that area. And to state emphatically that it was Taliban is as ridiculous as claiming that all Trump supporters are White supremacists or all black people support BLM.

2. Likewise we don't know what's going on with that detained orchestra. And until we do everything else is mere speculation. What we DO know is that they weren't American citizens as this thread accuses... something my own NY POST link verified on page ONE of this thread. Meanwhile Emily Miller's tweet is being accepted as gospel by God-fearing Americans everywhere... and that's my biggest beef with this whole topic.

3. Further, it's perfectly fair to reference our own American historical wartime atrocities, particularly when talking to those who believe we can do no wrong because, after all: we represent the one-and-only-true-God-Mom-Apple pie-and-all-that-is-wholesome-and-moral; the trouble is history proves that we DON't live up to those lofty standards. With every new invasion we just change the rules to make it seem so.

4. As for PUNISHMENT? Calley personally killed 22 civilians and lost a command he never should've been given in the first place, but still only got a slap on the wrist for brutally raping, slaughtering and then mutilating those civilians. Some justice, there! That's like saying OJ was innocent because "if it don't fit, you must aquit."

5. Now then: let's take a good look at Abu Ghraib where the torture went far beyond the nudity and "bloomers" as you deride. Does the term "waterboarding" mean anything to you? Or how about battery cables clamped on the prisoner's genitals? And if that doesn't convince you, then how about good old-fashioned homicide? Because that was the conclusion of the US Army autopsy performed on Manadel al-Jemadi. A murder -BTW- where NOBODY was ever charged with that crime. And to add a little more immorality, his body was further desecrated when those American guards posed it in the background as they leered before the cameras grinning from ear-to-ear.

As for the Abu Ghraib commander Brigadier General Janis Karpinski? She was merely demoted to a Colonel and allowed to continue serving until her retirement... after which she wrote a book claiming to be a scapegoat. She wasn't even accused of mistreating those prisoners, instead among the formal charges was one for shoplifting!

But that was an America-the-not-so-beautiful that quickly faded once the lurid, damning pictures made the rounds. Because -after all- it was OUR boys and girls who did it and they had every right because those were TERRORISTS who deserved everything they got!

And I suspect that's exactly what the Taliban, ISIS and ISI-K are all saying right this very second about us.

FYI: before you point another accusing finger in my direction, I happen to be a grass-roots supporter [from June of 2015] of President Trump who sat 30' away from the man and listened along with only 300 others when he spoke at my state's caucus in the spring of 2016. LONG before the massive crowds that later attended his rallies.

DRUNK? I wish I was!
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Once again, you think this makes the abduction of the girls okay.

When I get home, I may give you some time to consider your ill put logic.
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Precious, where exactly did I state that? By all means live your life drawing conclusions based upon your assumptions!

BUT CHEW ON THESE FACTS:

If you want to talk about honor, shall we examine the strings of trophy necklaces G.I.s brought home from Vietnam? The ones strung with the ears and fingers of the VietCong?

And in the same war we also had Lt. William Calley, who was convicted of war crimes after he ordered the brutal slaughter of between 304-547 [and those are official US Army estimates] civilian men, women and children as young as 12, 22 of whom Calley personally killed. BTW: those women were first gang-raped before their bodies were mutilated. And as for Calley? He eventually got off with a court martial and life sentence... followed by a Presidential pardon wher ehe only served THREE YEARS OF HOUSE ARREST. Today Calley is walking around free in Florida.

Or, how about those pics taken at Abu Ghraib in 2004? Where FEMALE soldiers proudly posed mocking tortured captives?

And, in 2011 in Khandahar, we had U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Robert Bales who after night of binge-drinking Jack Daniels [and watching a Denzel Washington movie glorifying wanton revenge] he strolled out and -using his firearms and a knife- personally killed 16 Afghani civilians: NINE CHILDREN as young as 2 years old, four women and three men. He's currently serving a life sentence in Leavenworth for those war crimes. FYI: Last December and just before he left office President Trump flatly refused to overturn that sentence... but that too was scrubbed from the MSM and the public consciousness.

People like yourself seem to have conveniently forgotten about those atrocities because they shatter the quaint notion that American soldiers don't engage in barbarism.

But the fact is, we are no more morally superior than anyone else on this planet because there are dozens of similar documented instances going all the way back to the Civil War.

But you go right ahead and keep pointing that accusing finger; just remember that when you do so there are three more pointing right back at you.
 Quoting: GSB/LTD


So, those things from the past make it perfectly acceptable for the Taliban to take these young women and subject them to fates nightmares are made of?

There are no fingers pointing at me, or most of us, as we never committed any atrocities. These abducted women never committed atrocities.

The examples you present were countered with punishment. Will the Taliban be punished???

Oh, and the whole Abu Ghraib thing -- you consider being naked and having women's bloomers over your head torture?? You clearly have no idea what the Taliban met out as torture. The shit they do makes the Viet Cong look like boy scouts in comparison.

I think you are drunk, and need a break.
 Quoting: Ladye Jayne Smith


As a matter of fact, I don't drink nor require it to assuage a guilty conscience. But I AM smart enough to recognize propaganda when I see it and there's plenty flying around the internet and MSM as I write this. Now then, let's do a little critical thinking here...

1. We don't even know if those buses were actually seized by the Taliban. It could just as easily have been ISIS or ISIS-K or any number of other splinter groups operating in that area. And to state emphatically that it was Taliban is as ridiculous as claiming that all Trump supporters are White supremacists or all black people support BLM.

2. Likewise we don't know what's going on with that detained orchestra. And until we do everything else is mere speculation. What we DO know is that they weren't American citizens as this thread accuses... something my own NY POST link verified on page ONE of this thread. Meanwhile Emily Miller's tweet is being accepted as gospel by God-fearing Americans everywhere... and that's my biggest beef with this whole topic.

3. Further, it's perfectly fair to reference our own American historical wartime atrocities, particularly when talking to those who believe we can do no wrong because, after all: we represent the one-and-only-true-God-Mom-Apple pie-and-all-that-is-wholesome-and-moral; the trouble is history proves that we DON't live up to those lofty standards. With every new invasion we just change the rules to make it seem so.

4. As for PUNISHMENT? Calley personally killed 22 civilians and lost a command he never should've been given in the first place, but still only got a slap on the wrist for brutally raping, slaughtering and then mutilating those civilians. Some justice, there! That's like saying OJ was innocent because "if it don't fit, you must aquit."

5. Now then: let's take a good look at Abu Ghraib where the torture went far beyond the nudity and "bloomers" as you deride. Does the term "waterboarding" mean anything to you? Or how about battery cables clamped on the prisoner's genitals? And if that doesn't convince you, then how about good old-fashioned homicide? Because that was the conclusion of the US Army autopsy performed on Manadel al-Jemadi. A murder -BTW- where NOBODY was ever charged with that crime. And to add a little more immorality, his body was further desecrated when those American guards posed it in the background as they leered before the cameras grinning from ear-to-ear.

As for the Abu Ghraib commander Brigadier General Janis Karpinski? She was merely demoted to a Colonel and allowed to continue serving until her retirement... after which she wrote a book claiming to be a scapegoat. She wasn't even accused of mistreating those prisoners, instead among the formal charges was one for shoplifting!

But that was an America-the-not-so-beautiful that quickly faded once the lurid, damning pictures made the rounds. Because -after all- it was OUR boys and girls who did it and they had every right because those were TERRORISTS who deserved everything they got!

And I suspect that's exactly what the Taliban, ISIS and ISI-K are all saying right this very second about us.

FYI: before you point another accusing finger in my direction, I happen to be a grass-roots supporter [from June of 2015] of President Trump who sat 30' away from the man and listened along with only 300 others when he spoke at my state's caucus in the spring of 2016. LONG before the massive crowds that later attended his rallies.

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Once again, you think this makes the abduction of the girls okay.

When I get home, I may give you some time to consider your ill put logic.
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Of course these young ladies deserve to be saved, but so do ours and our allies. Its sickening that this story is not getting anymore attention.
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Your inaccurate and highly deceptive thread title has been up for 5 hours now, OP. Are you going to change it to reflect reality, or leave it as-is in an effort to rile people up?

According to the NY Post article, these were Afghan girls, NOT AMERICANS. We do not need any more goddamn agitprop, thank you.

OP, there’s an old saying in the military, that if you’re going to stir shit you have to lick the spoon. Hope you like the taste.
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I have no intentions of deceiving anyone. I repeated the story as it was initially coming out. Of course, now that more info is available, I will gladly change the title of the thread.

That said, this story is no less infuriating than had it been American women on those busses. What is taking place in Afghanistan is nothing less that vile. Those young women were innocent people caught up in this mess.
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These young women are in their own country where they belong. The US had no right to put them in danger by luring them to the airport with empty promises. Now they’ve probably been captured by the Talibans to become wives, servants or worse, whereas if they’d stayed in their villages with their families they could still be leading normal brown people lives.
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What's done is done, but this while situation should have been better handled all the way around. The Biden administration owes everyone for the mess they've created through mishandling the situation. Most of all, they owe those left to suffer in Afghanistan and the Americans he has turned his back on.
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Of course these young ladies deserve to be saved, but so do ours and our allies. Its sickening that this story is not getting anymore attention.
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Your inaccurate and highly deceptive thread title has been up for 5 hours now, OP. Are you going to change it to reflect reality, or leave it as-is in an effort to rile people up?

According to the NY Post article, these were Afghan girls, NOT AMERICANS. We do not need any more goddamn agitprop, thank you.

OP, there’s an old saying in the military, that if you’re going to stir shit you have to lick the spoon. Hope you like the taste.
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THANK YOU for changing the title!! You have my respect, sir.
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The women are likely dead.

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"7 buses filled with world-renowned orchestra performers — 280 girls all approved to go,” said Robert Stryk, a Washington fixer who has been coordinating private evacuation efforts in conjunction with former Navy SEAL and US Congressman Scott Taylor (R-Va.)."

“Our hearts are broken, he added. “These young girls spent 17 hours on a hot bus with no food or water and were 393 feet from freedom but were denied entry into the airport because the United States government gave [the Taliban] the power to override the US Army’s 82nd Airborne."

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So is this disinformation? Who is telling the truth?
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The girls are all muslim,,, who cares, they chose that fake ass religion.
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The girls are all muslim,,, who cares, they chose that fake ass religion.
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Surprise, SURPRISE!

Emily Miller, who started this entire hand-wringer has now walked back her earlier headline-grabbing claim and not only admitted she was wrong about the buses full of American women, but has now stated they are ALL SAFE. She says that new info came directly from Special Ops and quoted him as saying "the State Department was involved." A terse comment if there ever was one.

Miller's tweet that provides this update was clocked at 5:03pm today.

She also doesn't explore whether Special Ops or even State Department personnel were driving those buses to begin with! Wouldn't it be interesting to find out they WERE and that the Taliban wasn't involved at all?

If Emily Miller can speculate... so can I! But what if I'm correct? If, if...IF!

Regardless, Does anyone think that Miller will apologize for all the teeth-gnashing her "report" caused? The report that got her name plastered for a day and half all over social media and beyond?

And with all the invective -and threats- that were tossed around on this thread I'd say more than one apology was in order.

But, I wouldn't count on it, Folks!

So now the revisionists can start their own speculations: "But, but, but... what IF it had turned out to be true?"

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