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Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position

 
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Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
F'ing HR reps I think are fishing or these jobs just plain don't exist. Do you know how many interviews Ive been to where they give a mock scenario on how "would you fix this"? After the first couple I realized they had no intent. Now I flat out tell them they need to pay for my consult time. The looks they give, yea, they know what they are doing.

Really have the feeling its coming down to they post BS openings for legal reasons, yet already know WHO they want....

Or perhaps over qualified and don't want to pay, but let ME make that decision!!!
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Kinda feel like I am in the same boat....been interviewing for months....I am totally qualified but ironically the "other candidate " was just a bit more qualified...

When asked how they were qualified I have never received a straight answer...

About to say [email protected]#k it...change the resume and just land an entry level position again and stop paying all but my car, internet, cell and house note...

Hell, if I make close to nothing I give my kid an actual chance of getting grants and $$ to go to college...
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09/14/2021 06:57 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
When are we getting the next stimulus? My unemployment just ran out.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
The worker shortage of exactly that. A shortage of workers, not managers. There is no manager shortage.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
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09/14/2021 07:09 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
I figured out this racket too. It got to the point where I would start messing with them. They weren't going to hire me anyway -why not have a little fun? (lol). Someone needs to write a book about this - it really is getting out of hand.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
I think they have some HR information system were a quota of interviews must be fulfilled, to look like they're constantly recruiting talent.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
F'ing HR reps I think are fishing or these jobs just plain don't exist. Do you know how many interviews Ive been to where they give a mock scenario on how "would you fix this"? After the first couple I realized they had no intent. Now I flat out tell them they need to pay for my consult time. The looks they give, yea, they know what they are doing.

Really have the feeling its coming down to they post BS openings for legal reasons, yet already know WHO they want....

Or perhaps over qualified and don't want to pay, but let ME make that decision!!!
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I keep saying this.



It's the real conspiracy.
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09/14/2021 07:24 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
F'ing HR reps I think are fishing or these jobs just plain don't exist. Do you know how many interviews Ive been to where they give a mock scenario on how "would you fix this"? After the first couple I realized they had no intent. Now I flat out tell them they need to pay for my consult time. The looks they give, yea, they know what they are doing.

Really have the feeling its coming down to they post BS openings for legal reasons, yet already know WHO they want....

Or perhaps over qualified and don't want to pay, but let ME make that decision!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


Wow. You could be right about that. What a little scam.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Kinda feel like I am in the same boat....been interviewing for months....I am totally qualified but ironically the "other candidate " was just a bit more qualified...

When asked how they were qualified I have never received a straight answer...

About to say [email protected]#k it...change the resume and just land an entry level position again and stop paying all but my car, internet, cell and house note...

Hell, if I make close to nothing I give my kid an actual chance of getting grants and $$ to go to college...
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Amen bro
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09/14/2021 07:39 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
I think they have some HR information system were a quota of interviews must be fulfilled, to look like they're constantly recruiting talent.
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I was told that these companies pay premiums for posting X amount of jobs per month via the online job network they are using. If they dont post something they lose the money and other things stipulated by the contracts. So yea, I think most postings are BS...
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09/14/2021 07:42 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
The worker shortage of exactly that. A shortage of workers, not managers. There is no manager shortage.
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Companies already have a manager for each and every worker. They hire managers just to get their buddies in by making up positions which need to be "managed". Meanwhile, they are never able to afford to bring in workers who actually DO REAL WORK.

Every time a regular worker quits, they solve the problem by passing more work on to others who remain, and then that requires them to hire another manager. Companies are a total joke nowadays.
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09/14/2021 07:44 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Do you realize that now you are competing against an unlimited greencard pool?
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09/14/2021 07:46 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Nothing illegal about interviewing multiple people for a job that has been filled by a preselected applicant. Just the way business is done.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Do you realize that now you are competing against an unlimited greencard pool?
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Greencard pool will not have the skills that I have. Funny though as most want you running out the gates trained, but maybe they have an incentive to train these F'rs over a citizen and govt cheese hand outs to the employer... who knows.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
The worker shortage of exactly that. A shortage of workers, not managers. There is no manager shortage.
 Quoting: Factual Error


Companies already have a manager for each and every worker. They hire managers just to get their buddies in by making up positions which need to be "managed". Meanwhile, they are never able to afford to bring in workers who actually DO REAL WORK.

Every time a regular worker quits, they solve the problem by passing more work on to others who remain, and then that requires them to hire another manager. Companies are a total joke nowadays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


So this means there is a HUGE manager bubble, and workers dont want to go back to work to do the work of ten people at slave wages.

Its easier to just become homeless and live out in the woods then it is to be an employee at most companies today. No wonder employers are having trouble finding workers, workers would rather hang themselves then go back to that shit!
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Nothing illegal about interviewing multiple people for a job that has been filled by a preselected applicant. Just the way business is done.
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Not illegal, it is however, unethical, immoral and unprofessional.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
The worker shortage of exactly that. A shortage of workers, not managers. There is no manager shortage.
 Quoting: Factual Error


Companies already have a manager for each and every worker. They hire managers just to get their buddies in by making up positions which need to be "managed". Meanwhile, they are never able to afford to bring in workers who actually DO REAL WORK.

Every time a regular worker quits, they solve the problem by passing more work on to others who remain, and then that requires them to hire another manager. Companies are a total joke nowadays.
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Yep, Ive seen this first hand at poorly run companies operating in the red. A manager that sucked ass for every employee. Talk about Indians and Chiefs.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
The worker shortage of exactly that. A shortage of workers, not managers. There is no manager shortage.
 Quoting: Factual Error


Companies already have a manager for each and every worker. They hire managers just to get their buddies in by making up positions which need to be "managed". Meanwhile, they are never able to afford to bring in workers who actually DO REAL WORK.

Every time a regular worker quits, they solve the problem by passing more work on to others who remain, and then that requires them to hire another manager. Companies are a total joke nowadays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


So this means there is a HUGE manager bubble, and workers dont want to go back to work to do the work of ten people at slave wages.

Its easier to just become homeless and live out in the woods then it is to be an employee at most companies today. No wonder employers are having trouble finding workers, workers would rather hang themselves then go back to that shit!
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Yep, and I refuse to start over at this juncture of my life... in the process of starting my own business.
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09/14/2021 07:58 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Nothing illegal about interviewing multiple people for a job that has been filled by a preselected applicant. Just the way business is done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518709


Not illegal, it is however, unethical, immoral and unprofessional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


The job has to be posted. HR forces mgt to interview at least top 3 applicants. The preselected candidate still has to interview and pass. HR is sitting in and they don’t know the fix is in so HR has a vote. I’m a hiring mgr, word of mouth is best way to hire. Applicant gets 10 points added to his cutting score for each recommendation from an employee.

His resume has to pass a computer graded skills/experience/education algorithm so we’re not hiring unqualified people. If you do well in the interview your name absolutely is kept on file as a recruitable applicant.
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09/14/2021 08:01 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Also, we absolutely cannot get enough qualified applicants. We have our own intern program to grow our own people. Of course you have to have the required FAA certifications to work at an airline
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
The worker shortage of exactly that. A shortage of workers, not managers. There is no manager shortage.
 Quoting: Factual Error


Companies already have a manager for each and every worker. They hire managers just to get their buddies in by making up positions which need to be "managed". Meanwhile, they are never able to afford to bring in workers who actually DO REAL WORK.

Every time a regular worker quits, they solve the problem by passing more work on to others who remain, and then that requires them to hire another manager. Companies are a total joke nowadays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


So this means there is a HUGE manager bubble, and workers dont want to go back to work to do the work of ten people at slave wages.

Its easier to just become homeless and live out in the woods then it is to be an employee at most companies today. No wonder employers are having trouble finding workers, workers would rather hang themselves then go back to that shit!
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Yep, and I refuse to start over at this juncture of my life... in the process of starting my own business.
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Well good for you! Excellent idea!

What type of business are you thinking of starting? I have been thinking about doing this myself.
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Companies already have a manager for each and every worker. They hire managers just to get their buddies in by making up positions which need to be "managed". Meanwhile, they are never able to afford to bring in workers who actually DO REAL WORK.

Every time a regular worker quits, they solve the problem by passing more work on to others who remain, and then that requires them to hire another manager. Companies are a total joke nowadays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


So this means there is a HUGE manager bubble, and workers dont want to go back to work to do the work of ten people at slave wages.

Its easier to just become homeless and live out in the woods then it is to be an employee at most companies today. No wonder employers are having trouble finding workers, workers would rather hang themselves then go back to that shit!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


Yep, and I refuse to start over at this juncture of my life... in the process of starting my own business.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


Well good for you! Excellent idea!

What type of business are you thinking of starting? I have been thinking about doing this myself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027



My sig other started a small cosmetic business, all natural, a while back as a hobby, so Ive been expanding and working on professional packaging, etc. People like holistic and natural products, so I think it will do well. At a minimum we get to right off shit tons of expenses... lol
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Nothing illegal about interviewing multiple people for a job that has been filled by a preselected applicant. Just the way business is done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518709


Not illegal, it is however, unethical, immoral and unprofessional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


The job has to be posted. HR forces mgt to interview at least top 3 applicants. The preselected candidate still has to interview and pass. HR is sitting in and they don’t know the fix is in so HR has a vote. I’m a hiring mgr, word of mouth is best way to hire. Applicant gets 10 points added to his cutting score for each recommendation from an employee.

His resume has to pass a computer graded skills/experience/education algorithm so we’re not hiring unqualified people. If you do well in the interview your name absolutely is kept on file as a recruitable applicant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518709


So what advice would you offer to the folks here who may be trying to win over the interviewers?
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
What I really would like to do, is work with food wholesalers directly, or farms directly and offer services to people. Shit, with food exploding in price, people will always need cheap produce. Cut the middle man out and do local, eliminating most transportation costs or drop ship directly.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Nothing illegal about interviewing multiple people for a job that has been filled by a preselected applicant. Just the way business is done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518709


Not illegal, it is however, unethical, immoral and unprofessional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


The job has to be posted. HR forces mgt to interview at least top 3 applicants. The preselected candidate still has to interview and pass. HR is sitting in and they don’t know the fix is in so HR has a vote. I’m a hiring mgr, word of mouth is best way to hire. Applicant gets 10 points added to his cutting score for each recommendation from an employee.

His resume has to pass a computer graded skills/experience/education algorithm so we’re not hiring unqualified people. If you do well in the interview your name absolutely is kept on file as a recruitable applicant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518709


So what advice would you offer to the folks here who may be trying to win over the interviewers?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


It may be kept on file, but that doesnt help the here and now... I can tell you if they called me in the future Id gouge the shit out of their budget for salary or flat out refuse. Dont waste my time.
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So this means there is a HUGE manager bubble, and workers dont want to go back to work to do the work of ten people at slave wages.

Its easier to just become homeless and live out in the woods then it is to be an employee at most companies today. No wonder employers are having trouble finding workers, workers would rather hang themselves then go back to that shit!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


Yep, and I refuse to start over at this juncture of my life... in the process of starting my own business.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


Well good for you! Excellent idea!

What type of business are you thinking of starting? I have been thinking about doing this myself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027



My sig other started a small cosmetic business, all natural, a while back as a hobby, so Ive been expanding and working on professional packaging, etc. People like holistic and natural products, so I think it will do well. At a minimum we get to right off shit tons of expenses... lol
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Great idea! Good luck with it! hf
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Try being a straight white male electrical engineer.

I just gave up after a year and started my own company. Because of their shit, when I need to expand, I'm only hiring straight white unvaxxed male talent and pretty white secretaries.

Fuck em all.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Try being a straight white male electrical engineer.

I just gave up after a year and started my own company. Because of their shit, when I need to expand, I'm only hiring straight white unvaxxed male talent and pretty white secretaries.

Fuck em all.
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I am in the same boat as a chief operations executive and have applied to over 200 jobs at all levels of management- I spent $4K on my resume and for supposedly the best agent to send bulk mailing to recruiters. The whole thing is a con. I get private equity groups calling just to pump me for information, no job, or BS investment opportunities.
When you come to behead me, be careful not to bruise the face.
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Not illegal, it is however, unethical, immoral and unprofessional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


The job has to be posted. HR forces mgt to interview at least top 3 applicants. The preselected candidate still has to interview and pass. HR is sitting in and they don’t know the fix is in so HR has a vote. I’m a hiring mgr, word of mouth is best way to hire. Applicant gets 10 points added to his cutting score for each recommendation from an employee.

His resume has to pass a computer graded skills/experience/education algorithm so we’re not hiring unqualified people. If you do well in the interview your name absolutely is kept on file as a recruitable applicant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518709


So what advice would you offer to the folks here who may be trying to win over the interviewers?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


It may be kept on file, but that doesnt help the here and now... I can tell you if they called me in the future Id gouge the shit out of their budget for salary or flat out refuse. Dont waste my time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


What is the industry for which you hire for? And do you hire blue or white collar workers?
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Try being a straight white male electrical engineer.

I just gave up after a year and started my own company. Because of their shit, when I need to expand, I'm only hiring straight white unvaxxed male talent and pretty white secretaries.

Fuck em all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73294794


+10000000000000
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