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Norm Macdonald's Bob Dylan Allegory: What does it mean?

 
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I don't believe that this meeting actually took place. Norm was smart man, and believed in GOD.

What is Norm trying to tell us with this story? There is a lot of symbolism in this "meeting" with Dylan. Let's see who else sees it as well.

In 2015, Norm put forth the following 23 tweets;


Next to Billy Joe Shaver, I consider Bob Dylan to be the greatest songwriter ever. I spent two days with him, once, and here's the story how

Word ha come to me early in my career that he liked my standup, but it seemed impossible to believe.

I was asked if I wanted to have lunch with Bob Dylan at his home. Asked if I ate meat. Thought I should say no but said yes.

When people say "surreal" they mean "real", it's just most of your life is not very real, just repetition and routine.

I went to his house and I met him.

Only musician I'd eve met was one of my best friends, Billy Joe Shaver, and I told Dylan and he laughed and said he loved Billy Joe.

Then he left and came back with an old vinyl of "Honky Tonk Heroes" and put it on and we listened to it, all the way through, and didn't talk

Then he talked to me at length. At length.

When Bob Dylan speaks, his words seem chosen long ago, his sentences are spare, and he looks right at you, and his countenance is stone.

He spoke to me for many hours over two days. There was no alcohol or drugs consumed. He was interested only in writing.

I remember wishing I had secretly recorded him, and I remember trying as hard as I could to remember every word he said.

I remember he talked over and over about verbs and about "verbifying", how anything could be "verbified".

He asked me my favorite book of the Bible and I said Job, and he said his favorite was Ecclesiastes.

He then told me that the book of Job I was familiar with was not the original, and then he told me the original.

I began to notice his speech was naturally rich with imagery, and that listening to him had a mesmerizing effect.

I noticed when looking at his face while listening to his words that it was like looking at an impressionistic painting.

I cannot repeat any of what I heard that evening, but he invited me to stay the night and we ate dinner in silence.

A girl cooked a beef stew and there were three other men, who I later learned were musicians.

When Bob Dylan retired for the evening, I spoke freely with the three men.

They took me to a recording studio in a guest house and I listened to them play. I asked them for their favorite Dylan stories.

They told me, and the night happened and i didn't sleep.

i was very unknown at the time and asked why Bob Dylan had summoned me for this visit. One of the men told me.

The next morning, when Dylan reappeared, the big house seemed full again. He told me he wanted me to meet someone.

He took me to the guard shack and I met the guard and Dylan told the old man to tell me "the story". He did and it was very funny.

While the old man was telling his funny story, Bob Dylan kept looking right at me and he was laughing hard and I was too. it was very funny.

We went back to the house and Dylan poured two cups of black coffee and we each drank coffee.

And that is when Bob Dylan began speaking about being a writer. He said most "writers" were what he called "stenographers".

He would put a record on his player and have me listen to it. He would have me silently read a passage from a classic book.

Then Bob Dylan would explain why this was not writing, why it was stenography. One piece of fiction he had me read was one of my favorites.

I saw that I had been wrong about one of my favorite pieces of fiction. Bob Dylan showed me how I had been deceived.

I told him that I understood, but I did not, and I lied to Bob Dylan.A week later, I understood, and phoned him and explained and he laughed

I don't want to say what Bob Dylan said to me but one thing that he gave me permission to tell my friends was, "Don't be fooled by typists."
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GREAT STORY, NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY MORAL TO IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

I THINK THE POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WE ARE JUST CHANNELING GOD'S VOICE?
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I don't whether or not Bob Dylan was into any dark stuff, but he was definitely the greatest musical poet ever. His lyrics really are amazing. He writes and speaks in riddles.

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GREAT STORY, NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY MORAL TO IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

I THINK THE POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WE ARE JUST CHANNELING GOD'S VOICE?
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Writers are, typists are not?
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Was Satan the author of Job?
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Is Satan a writer or a typist?

Who wrote the original?
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Could be: Dont believe something simply because it is in a book.
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GREAT STORY, NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY MORAL TO IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

I THINK THE POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WE ARE JUST CHANNELING GOD'S VOICE?
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Writers are, typists are not?
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I DON'T SPEAK DYLAN, ASK HIM.
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GREAT STORY, NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY MORAL TO IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

I THINK THE POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WE ARE JUST CHANNELING GOD'S VOICE?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67858314


Writers are, typists are not?
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Writers write their own story, typers do not.

I wonder what Norm's favorite book of fiction was...
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Dylan made a "deal" for fame and fortune but in 1978 he got saved. His "christian" period lasted a few years and while he refused to play anything from his "deal" years during this time, he was booed by the audience. When he began to play his old music again his fame and fortune returned to him just like Samson's strength came back.

He should have renounced his "deal", turned his back on fame and fortune, and never looked back. He knows this and regrets it to this day. His favorite book is Ecclesiastes because it is a book about the regrets of Solomon who took a similar path.



In the time of my confession, in the hour of my deepest need
When the pool of tears beneath my feet floods every newborn seed
There's a dying voice within me reaching out somewhere
Toiling in the danger and the morals of despair

Don't have the inclination to look back on any mistake
Like Cain, I now behold this chain of events that I must break
In the fury of the moment I can see the master's hand
In every leaf that trembles, in every grain of sand

Oh, the flowers of indulgence and the weeds of yesteryear
Like criminals, they have choked the breath of conscience and good cheer
The sun beams down upon the steps of time to light the way
To ease the pain of idleness and the memory of decay

I gaze into the doorway of temptation's angry flame
And every time I pass that way I'll always hear my name
Then onward in my journey I come to understand
That every hair is numbered like every grain of sand

I have gone from rags to riches in the sorrow of the night
In the violence of a summer's dream, in the chill of a wintry light
In the bitter dance of loneliness fading into space
In the broken mirror of innocence on each forgotten face

I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
Sometimes I turn, there's someone there, other times it's only me
I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand



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So stenographers because one is "channeling" the material from another source? In Bob's case Satan I guess.
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It means they were channeling satan.
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the pieces of shit who get famous are just saying what their master told them to say

doiing what it told them to do

like forum owners

just conduits/condoms that the dna flows through
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GREAT STORY, NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY MORAL TO IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

I THINK THE POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WE ARE JUST CHANNELING GOD'S VOICE?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67858314


Writers are, typists are not?
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Writers write their own story, typers do not.

I wonder what Norm's favorite book of fiction was...
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His favorite book of the bible is Job according to this.
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but it wasn't the original story

so Satan told him the real version
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His favorite Bible story is Job.

I don’t see how anyone can read that and not have huge questions about the Bible. I mean in a story that featured the Devil, God was even more evil.

At the very least one can argue that God has no business judging anyone who was manipulated by the Devil given how easy it was for him to be manipulated.
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His favorite Bible story is Job.

I don’t see how anyone can read that and not have huge questions about the Bible. I mean in a story that featured the Devil, God was even more evil.

At the very least one can argue that God has no business judging anyone who was manipulated by the Devil given how easy it was for him to be manipulated.
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That's not the real version, it was composed by typists.
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In the real version of the story

Job is in fact God. Supper symmetry is a cake walk for God.

So ultimately, it was Satan being tested all long.
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Could be: Dont believe something simply because it is in a book.
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I know rrrriiiiiiggggtttt.




This is the biggest load of shit I've ever read....



Oh yea, Norm and Bob....they're so so deep.
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His favorite Bible story is Job.

I don’t see how anyone can read that and not have huge questions about the Bible. I mean in a story that featured the Devil, God was even more evil.

At the very least one can argue that God has no business judging anyone who was manipulated by the Devil given how easy it was for him to be manipulated.
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That's not the real version, it was composed by typists.
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That is the version they taught at the Christian university I attended in which religious courses are required as part of the curriculum.

I’m not religious but I imagine they would have a better understanding of the story of Job than a drug addict musician.
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His favorite Bible story is Job.

I don’t see how anyone can read that and not have huge questions about the Bible. I mean in a story that featured the Devil, God was even more evil.

At the very least one can argue that God has no business judging anyone who was manipulated by the Devil given how easy it was for him to be manipulated.
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That's not the real version, it was composed by typists.
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That is the version they taught at the Christian university I attended in which religious courses are required as part of the curriculum.

I’m not religious but I imagine they would have a better understanding of the story of Job than a drug addict musician.
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I doubt that.
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What about the "three men" Norm spoke to?

What was the story the Security man told?
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What about the "three men" Norm spoke to?

What was the story the Security man told?
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The Medicis have been depicted as the three wise men and their patron saint is Saint Nicholas.

Saint Nicholas church stands in front of the former world trade centres.


Reminds me of that tragedy.
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His favorite Bible story is Job.

I don’t see how anyone can read that and not have huge questions about the Bible. I mean in a story that featured the Devil, God was even more evil.

At the very least one can argue that God has no business judging anyone who was manipulated by the Devil given how easy it was for him to be manipulated.
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Strange because that is not what the Job is about. God didn't do anything because he knew Job's heart, on the other side it Satan who said he could make Job turn against God. God let him try, who really was that a lesson for? The tempter of mankind, do you remember that Jesus also was tempted? Who by, Satan, who finally told him do not tempt the Lord God. Satan is a created being. Job came out from his temptation whole, we all go through this, some fail the test.
Sorry I got a headache

These are the times that tries men's and
women's souls!

May we come though it victorious!
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What about the "three men" Norm spoke to?

What was the story the Security man told?
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Initiates are sometimes refered to as "three men".
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What about the "three men" Norm spoke to?

What was the story the Security man told?
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Initiates are sometimes refered to as "three men".
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At the 33 degree the initiates are referred to as three marys

it's a reference to Orion's belt

and the three marys of the bible
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