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Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.

 
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Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
The story at the link is about a crisis temporarily averted in the UK that if not resolved will cause a food shortage in the country in 14 days.

Take the time to read the story and realize just how fragile the whole system is.

And yes, the same thing can happen in the U.S.

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CF Industries decided last week to halt operations at its UK fertilizer plants because soaring natural gas prices had made them unprofitable. That announcement sparked warnings of a food supply crisis because its plants also produce about 60% of Britain's food-grade carbon dioxide…

The gas is used to stun animals for slaughter, as well as in packaging to extend the shelf life of fresh, chilled and baked goods, and in the production of carbonated drinks. The British Meat Processors Association warned Friday that the supply shock could cause food shortages within 14 days once current stocks of CO2 gas run out.

The UK government said Tuesday that it will provide "limited financial support" for CF Fertilisers' operating costs for three weeks, after which food producers will have to pay more for CO2 to reflect higher global natural gas prices...


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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
That's NOT a supply chain issue. That's too much DEMAND (inflation) chasing too few goods (production or in this case energy).

I made a RECENT post about how these are NOT supply chain issues, they are INFLATION creating DEMAND for limited resources.
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
That's NOT a supply chain issue. That's too much DEMAND (inflation) chasing too few goods (production or in this case energy).

I made a RECENT post about how these are NOT supply chain issues, they are INFLATION creating DEMAND for limited resources.
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I see it as a supply chain issue. A simple thing like a rise in natural gas prices puts this company out of business if this company goes out of business there’s no meat at the grocery store. It would cause a food shortage in the UK within 14 days of the company going under.

There’s plenty of natural gas it’s just that it’s too damn expensive right now for other reasons and that’s going to cause supply chain issues in food. So while there might be ample food the fact that it can’t get to your grocery store is going to cause shortages that people need to think about. Everyt The gas is used to stun animals for slaughter, as well as in packaging to extend the shelf life of fresh, chilled and baked goods, and in the production of carbonated drinks. The British Meat Processors Association warned Friday that the supply shock could cause food shortages within 14 days once current stocks of CO2 gas run out.

The UK government said Tuesday that it will provide "limited financial support" for CF Fertilisers' operating costs for three weeks, after which food producers will have to pay more for CO2 to reflect higher global natural gas prices. Everything is F-ed up royally. Maybe it starts as an issue due to inflation but it ends up as a real food shortage. And that’s going to impact all of us.

My point in all of this is that we need to be aware that everything is super fragile right now. Stocking up having plenty because it’s either going to get so damn expensive we’re going to be completely unavailable in the near future is wise

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CO2 IS BAD! IT MAKE A BIG TEMPERATURE GO UP AND WARM EARTH!
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
That's NOT a supply chain issue. That's too much DEMAND (inflation) chasing too few goods (production or in this case energy).

I made a RECENT post about how these are NOT supply chain issues, they are INFLATION creating DEMAND for limited resources.
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I see it as a supply chain issue. A simple thing like a rise in natural gas prices puts this company out of business if this company goes out of business there’s no meat at the grocery store. It would cause a food shortage in the UK within 14 days of the company going under.
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They'll have to raise their prices due to inflation or they'll go bankrupt.

Again, not a supply chain issue.

It's wording meant to confuse/trick/fool the public.
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Thats a corporate created emergency that will result in mandatory inoculations.

I can see it now, subsidized corporate products with health mandates attached for consumption.

One solution to this. Burn down both the corporations and the governments. Or blow them up, as long as they are destroyed.
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
Also heard there is an anchovie shortage from the mediterranian sea that will drive up the cost of beef.
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
It is a supply chain issue...but it's also an issue of INTERDEPENDENCE!

Lack of CO2 affects the meat supply/food supply.

If the GPS satellites went down, credit cards would no longer work.

There are about a million other examples how our society is so interdependent it's practically suicidal.
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
There is a planned slow collapse of the USA going on right now. My former trucking company, Knight Transportation out of Phoenix, AZ, would not hire me back. I have a clean record and years of experience. They are owned by State Street, Blackrock and Vanguard, to a large degree.

Look around and you can see it happening, as all of the systems are buckling under the pressure.
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I would definitely not want to be in GB during the end times. Sorry chaps. I hate that for you. Store as much shit now as you can afford. Soon everything will be gone and no more coming
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
There is a planned slow collapse of the USA going on right now. My former trucking company, Knight Transportation out of Phoenix, AZ, would not hire me back. I have a clean record and years of experience. They are owned by State Street, Blackrock and Vanguard, to a large degree.

Look around and you can see it happening, as all of the systems are buckling under the pressure.
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Yes the slow collapse of Western civilization.
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
It is a supply chain issue...but it's also an issue of INTERDEPENDENCE!

Lack of CO2 affects the meat supply/food supply.

If the GPS satellites went down, credit cards would no longer work.

There are about a million other examples how our society is so interdependent it's practically suicidal.
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If the meat supply goes down the satellites go down.
If the satellites go down all the GPS devices quit working.
Nobody will know how to get to their jobs, all companies will have to shutter.
No more cat food.
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
It is a supply chain issue...but it's also an issue of INTERDEPENDENCE!

Lack of CO2 affects the meat supply/food supply.

If the GPS satellites went down, credit cards would no longer work.

There are about a million other examples how our society is so interdependent it's practically suicidal.
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And we were all made like this. Most industries will be crippled in the upcoming months. There is just too much JIT controlled inventory now.
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Or is it just greed?

I can't help but notice the word "unprofitable" and reminds me of british airways a bunch of years back talking about how they had to fire people so they had their profits. They just couldn't scale back on the profits ride it out and come out better for it laters. They just canned people to chase ever growing need to make more and more money.

Don't get me wrong I know theres real S going down in the world but hmmm

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Maybe the greenies can use their big wind turbines to blow the needed excess CO2 into fertilizer, pop bottles and cows to keep things going...
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
That's NOT a supply chain issue. That's too much DEMAND (inflation) chasing too few goods (production or in this case energy).

I made a RECENT post about how these are NOT supply chain issues, they are INFLATION creating DEMAND for limited resources.
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
That's NOT a supply chain issue. That's too much DEMAND (inflation) chasing too few goods (production or in this case energy).

I made a RECENT post about how these are NOT supply chain issues, they are INFLATION creating DEMAND for limited resources.
 Quoting: NikM755


hesrightsmoking1
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Semantics imho. The end result will be a food shortage. Attribute the cause to what you will. The article actually calls it “food supply fragility. “

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Or is it just greed?

I can't help but notice the word "unprofitable" and reminds me of british airways a bunch of years back talking about how they had to fire people so they had their profits. They just couldn't scale back on the profits ride it out and come out better for it laters. They just canned people to chase ever growing need to make more and more money.

Don't get me wrong I know theres real S going down in the world but hmmm
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Any business MUST make a profit or it will go out of business.
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Or is it just greed?

I can't help but notice the word "unprofitable" and reminds me of british airways a bunch of years back talking about how they had to fire people so they had their profits. They just couldn't scale back on the profits ride it out and come out better for it laters. They just canned people to chase ever growing need to make more and more money.

Don't get me wrong I know theres real S going down in the world but hmmm
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Any business MUST make a profit or it will go out of business.
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And what’s scary about this is that the UK government can’t prop them up beyond three weeks . how many other dominoes are going to fall similarly?

THAT is what makes this story so scary. Feels like the whole things coming down.
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Or is it just greed?

I can't help but notice the word "unprofitable" and reminds me of british airways a bunch of years back talking about how they had to fire people so they had their profits. They just couldn't scale back on the profits ride it out and come out better for it laters. They just canned people to chase ever growing need to make more and more money.

Don't get me wrong I know theres real S going down in the world but hmmm
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One thing they (whoever) did was to push out most of the farmers, and then replace them with industrial farms, now they are re-introducing small scale farmers and brewing, but with their own people running it.
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
That's NOT a supply chain issue. That's too much DEMAND (inflation) chasing too few goods (production or in this case energy).

I made a RECENT post about how these are NOT supply chain issues, they are INFLATION creating DEMAND for limited resources.
 Quoting: NikM755


hesrightsmoking1
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Semantics imho. The end result will be a food shortage. Attribute the cause to what you will. The article actually calls it “food supply fragility. “
 Quoting: telling it straight


Well yes, inflation causes shortages.

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“ The gas is used to stun animals for slaughter, as well as in packaging to extend the shelf life of fresh, chilled and baked goods,”

Huh? The same stuff that stuns animals goes into our food?
Have a nice day = GFY. GFY = Go Fuck Yourself. If this offends you then have a nice day.
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“ The gas is used to stun animals for slaughter, as well as in packaging to extend the shelf life of fresh, chilled and baked goods,”

Huh? The same stuff that stuns animals goes into our food?
 Quoting: Cap’n Obvious


Anaerobic vs aerobic. Aerating water,

Cancer is said to thrive in an Anaerobic (oxygen lacking) envirmonent.

Look it up.
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FYI

The Fastest Growing Vegetables and Fruits

Sunflower shoots – 12 Days. ...
Radishes – 21 days. ...
Scallions – 21 days. ...
Lettuce – 30 days. ...
Spinach – 30 days. ...
Turnips – 30-55 days. ...
Beets – 35-60 days. ...
Zucchini – 40-95 days.
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FYI

The Fastest Growing Vegetables and Fruits

Sunflower shoots – 12 Days. ...
Radishes – 21 days. ...
Scallions – 21 days. ...
Lettuce – 30 days. ...
Spinach – 30 days. ...
Turnips – 30-55 days. ...
Beets – 35-60 days. ...
Zucchini – 40-95 days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80210350


cress too
You are the CEO of your own wellness. You need to take back your health from the disease-care system
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Re: Food Supply Chain VERY fragile. This story shows just how fragile.
“ The gas is used to stun animals for slaughter, as well as in packaging to extend the shelf life of fresh, chilled and baked goods,”

Huh? The same stuff that stuns animals goes into our food?
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Yeah pretty awful.





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