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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
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What's the point~? When they'll only lie and cheat when they don't get their way..


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Totally.

However that would require a level of unity that doesn't exist within the species. Yet.

Humans are not ready for this at this stage, unfortunately. Most still need to be led.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73171985


Yup there are plenty of people that have transcended tribalism, nationalism, religionism, ideologyism and could usefully exist within a globalised .......... I hesitate to say government, but a globalised superstructure of some kind.


..........................but there are BILLIONS more who absolutely have not and never will transcend these things - if we were ever to treat them as equals they would eat us alive.
 Quoting: Johnny Be Good


yes not 'government' but to have the basic freedoms for everyone you DO need that universal super structure of some kind which ultimately is a set of rules

those who didn t transcend you think are the billions getting the vax? or not taking it? :)
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No. That is thinking inside their box.

We have to stop thinking in terms of their definition of the world - that's where the brainwashing began and herded us into the confines we are at now.

I like the way this guy thinks:


 Quoting: ElleMira


i'm not sure why u think it's thinking in their box.

and it's not their definition of the world, c'mon.

that is like saying christ used their definition of the 'world'
 Quoting: VenusRose


The video is less than 11 minutes - keep an open mind and check it out. It explains the corporate fascism/globalist totalitarianism they are imposing on us, if we allow it. There is simply no negotiating with these psychopaths - they want us to know our place, obey, end of.
 Quoting: ElleMira


it's obvious what they want to do.

i am talking about how to stop that.

what s your solution? you think a few american patriots will save the world with guns in their hands?

or jesus will come down from the sky to save the day? :)
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Whatever it turns out to be, I cant help but imagine it to be a multi modality, bottom up approach. I linked a thread I started not too long ago, that did not gain traction. I am also of the notion that we should be working on the spiritual level as well, considering how marginalized it is beginning with the separation of church and state. Not that I am religious, I am simply pointing out that this was a method to reduce our potential understanding and use of spirituality in both offense and defense methods.

When I really think about it, we need to flip the script and work towards gaining the dominant field (consciousness). Our thoughts affecting or creating reality must be our biggest asset considering how many there are of us.
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At least the op is a civilized idea, not fomenting sedition and insurrection.

I applaud you.
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One you know will never work. That's why you support it. I'm for slaughtering the whole motherfucking bunch of them wholesale. That's a plan that will work and could be completed in a weekend if we wanted to do it. But then you might actually see some real change. And that scares you. Likely due to the fact you're one of the ones I'm going to pull the trigger on.
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No. That is thinking inside their box.

We have to stop thinking in terms of their definition of the world - that's where the brainwashing began and herded us into the confines we are at now.

I like the way this guy thinks:


 Quoting: ElleMira


i'm not sure why u think it's thinking in their box.

and it's not their definition of the world, c'mon.

that is like saying christ used their definition of the 'world'
 Quoting: VenusRose


The video is less than 11 minutes - keep an open mind and check it out. It explains the corporate fascism/globalist totalitarianism they are imposing on us, if we allow it. There is simply no negotiating with these psychopaths - they want us to know our place, obey, end of.
 Quoting: ElleMira


it's obvious what they want to do.

i am talking about how to stop that.

what s your solution? you think a few american patriots will save the world with guns in their hands?

or jesus will come down from the sky to save the day? :)
 Quoting: VenusRose


It's going to have to take a massive amount of people all over the world to wake up and see the truth. When that truly happens - when people finally wake up and see how evil these people are & how they have been leading us like dumb sheep to slaughter, that's when people will unite. And when I say "unite", I mean that in spirit of truth.

I'm assuming you are from Romania, according to your user ID. Then you know the horrors of communism and you know how your people had to wake up, open their eyes and that was the moment that Nicolae & Elena Ceausescu were brought to justice - only when we shine a light on corruption, can we begin the process of reformation.

Georgia is another example where they've constantly been subjected to foreign invasions, their national and religious identity nearly stripped away entirely:



Know your history - know that the same evil that resided in the likes of Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin and many other evil dictators lives today - but on a massive, global scale. On a scale that will change and enslave humanity in ways we have never witnessed before. In biophysical ways where there is no going back - transhumanism. The Great Reset, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, the UN SDGs - this is not conspiracy theory, this is really happening right now and we are witnessing it unfold before our very eyes. This is biblical.

Thread: Globalists Just Revealed That The ‘Great Economic Reset’ Is Scheduled For 2021

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We need something along these lines but blockchain is unnecessary, IMO.

As others said, we don't need word gov. A fragmentation is better.

On a legal level, try affidavits.
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the technical concept would be detailed when those minds meet. i'm not interesting about those details yet.

the question is how you bring about that change. and there are not many logical options.

what i m speaking is one of those ways. to bring the change by materializing 'the will of the people' at a world scale
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edit(After I ranted I realized I wasn't addressing your exact idea, but had extrapolated to "world govt" which you didn't say. I'm leaving it though because it is related and relevant. Response to your actual post is at the end.)

Humans were never meant to and never will be able to have enough common ground to agree on world government.

No matter how much they deny race differences, sex differences, culture differences, geography differences, and everything else... those differences exist nonetheless, and for good reasons.

You can't take hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and replace it with words on paper (or hard drive).

If they can't properly manage a single city, state, or country, how can anyone properly manage a planet?

It is all going to crash before we can go any further, because too many workarounds have been used instead of fixing the underlying problems.

The duct tape will not hold any more, and the frame is bent.


We are at our best when we live modularly and naturally and interactions occur only when both sides wish it and agree to the terms. Leaders/Representatives acting on behalf of a group are only effective when they actually represent the realistic expectations of their constituents. I say realistic expectations to distinguish from majority vote and mob rule, which can often want something that is unattainable and ill advised, due to their lack of education or ethics.

None of the above is even possible unless the constituents possess true knowledge of their environment and abilities and a sense of self responsibility and socially positive ethics. This was historically provided via Religion. It may not have been 100% accurate knowledge, but it was consistent and widely accepted and at least had a system of ethics that were generally positive socially. (exceptions being ones that subvert groups based on race/sex/etc) but for sake of example lets use the 10 commandents, which gave the basic no murder, rape, theft guidelines that are keystones of society.

But today --- Religion is only recognized for non Christians, and most of those are racist and sexist and socially negative in practice. Where Christianity is accepted or pretended to be a guide, it has been bastardized and bent to serve the purposes of the few, not the many.
Even Science, "knowledge" itself, has been coopted by political operatives and corporate demons who obscure real truth and substitute narrative fueling garbage.

So, no. No global governance of any kind will work.

Everyone must start and finish locally, then connect with adjacent regions to form a new social network of modular stable independent "states" that share ideas and resources as desired but never impose expectations.

That was the original idea of the States. To be separate but equal labs for experimentation, so that the successes could be shared as examples and the failures as warnings to other states contemplating similar actions.

If you try to homogenize the planet, there is no control group.


Now all that said---

If you stick to the concept of a new Constitution that exists solely to identify those things which no govt may dictate and that remain the sole responsibility and right of every human individual. (like no forced vaccines, free speech, etc) I am on board with that and think it is a good idea.
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Big Tech will fuck up any crowdsourcing

Depending on which country you live in, organizers will be arrested and jailed for whatever terrorist fantasy reason
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


I've heard a lot worse, so kudos.

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i'm not sure why u think it's thinking in their box.

and it's not their definition of the world, c'mon.

that is like saying christ used their definition of the 'world'
 Quoting: VenusRose


The video is less than 11 minutes - keep an open mind and check it out. It explains the corporate fascism/globalist totalitarianism they are imposing on us, if we allow it. There is simply no negotiating with these psychopaths - they want us to know our place, obey, end of.
 Quoting: ElleMira


it's obvious what they want to do.

i am talking about how to stop that.

what s your solution? you think a few american patriots will save the world with guns in their hands?

or jesus will come down from the sky to save the day? :)
 Quoting: VenusRose


It's going to have to take a massive amount of people all over the world to wake up and see the truth. When that truly happens - when people finally wake up and see how evil these people are & how they have been leading us like dumb sheep to slaughter, that's when people will unite. And when I say "unite", I mean that in spirit of truth.

I'm assuming you are from Romania, according to your user ID. Then you know the horrors of communism and you know how your people had to wake up, open their eyes and that was the moment that Nicolae & Elena Ceausescu were brought to justice - only when we shine a light on corruption, can we begin the process of reformation.

The Republic of Georgia is another example where they've constantly been subjected to foreign invasions, their national and religious identity nearly stripped away entirely:



Know your history - know that the same evil that resided in the likes of Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin and many other evil dictators lives today - but on a massive, global scale. On a scale that will change and enslave humanity in ways we have never witnessed before. In biophysical ways where there is no going back - transhumanism. The Great Reset, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, the UN SDGs - this is not conspiracy theory, this is really happening right now and we are witnessing it unfold before our very eyes. This is biblical.

Thread: Globalists Just Revealed That The ‘Great Economic Reset’ Is Scheduled For 2021
 Quoting: ElleMira


yes but how do you know enough people aren t already awake?

that's the point. how will you connect with the awake one from africa and from india and form south america?

you need to get all those together to manifest their combined power of being awakened.

so you can disregard the rest, but you still need to think how that can possibly happen.

what i'm saying is that it might be possible to happen now through technology to connect all the awakened
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
We need something along these lines but blockchain is unnecessary, IMO.

As others said, we don't need word gov. A fragmentation is better.

On a legal level, try affidavits.
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the technical concept would be detailed when those minds meet. i'm not interesting about those details yet.

the question is how you bring about that change. and there are not many logical options.


 Quoting: VenusRose


There's only 1:
1. Pick a traitor/globalist demon.
2. Kill it.
3 Repeat steps 1 and 2 until they're all dead.
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If you stick to the concept of a new Constitution that exists solely to identify those things which no govt may dictate and that remain the sole responsibility and right of every human individual. (like no forced vaccines, free speech, etc) I am on board with that and think it is a good idea.
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yup thx for getting to the idea :)

think about it as an enlarged version of the amendments.

like 100 super clear rules that identify precisely those things which no gvnment can't dictate.

it might be a utopia, but imagine how the world would look if by world referendum there would be agreed such a Constitution
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No. That is thinking inside their box.

We have to stop thinking in terms of their definition of the world - that's where the brainwashing began and herded us into the confines we are at now.

I like the way this guy thinks:


 Quoting: ElleMira


He is not wrong that is for sure. The answer certainly is not a top down solution, sorry OP. I have been banging the parallel structure idea because I am not sure what other solution we have then to create a better and more attractive alternative. Unfortunately the idea gets very little traction, even in a forum like this. Trying to discuss the idea in the Q thread, thinking these appear to be people who care, maybe they might discuss it because the idea is not antithetical to Q, gets me completely attacked. It is absolutely mind blowing to me. I am unsure how we over come the apathy and normalcy bias that is present here much less in normie land, it is rather a depressing thought.

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dude how on earth did you read what i proposed as top-down solution? :)

it's bottom up all the way
 Quoting: VenusRose


what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?
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You are asking should we be solving a global crisis with a global solution by having 100's of millions come together to agree on a world wide constitution. That seems pretty top-down to me.

Personally I have had a hard time proposing a bottom up like solution, I cant imagine how you would be able to go about fixing a global problem via a global solution. Who exactly will you be petitioning anyways? When did even our petitions in the US ever make a difference?

I appreciate your thought processes and wanting to make change for the better, I am unsure of the theory. I wish you luck none the less.
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I don't care if there's one looney with a stupid moustache. He's not a threat if the people do not believe in "authority".”

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if there was such constitution today in which it was written

no imposed vaccinations then we would not have all this shitshow by tptb
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No. That is thinking inside their box.

We have to stop thinking in terms of their definition of the world - that's where the brainwashing began and herded us into the confines we are at now.

I like the way this guy thinks:


 Quoting: ElleMira


He is not wrong that is for sure. The answer certainly is not a top down solution, sorry OP. I have been banging the parallel structure idea because I am not sure what other solution we have then to create a better and more attractive alternative. Unfortunately the idea gets very little traction, even in a forum like this. Trying to discuss the idea in the Q thread, thinking these appear to be people who care, maybe they might discuss it because the idea is not antithetical to Q, gets me completely attacked. It is absolutely mind blowing to me. I am unsure how we over come the apathy and normalcy bias that is present here much less in normie land, it is rather a depressing thought.

Thread: Parallel Structures
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dude how on earth did you read what i proposed as top-down solution? :)

it's bottom up all the way
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what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?
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You are asking should we be solving a global crisis with a global solution by having 100's of millions come together to agree on a world wide constitution. That seems pretty top-down to me.

Personally I have had a hard time proposing a bottom up like solution, I cant imagine how you would be able to go about fixing a global problem via a global solution. Who exactly will you be petitioning anyways? When did even our petitions in the US ever make a difference?

I appreciate your thought processes and wanting to make change for the better, I am unsure of the theory. I wish you luck none the less.
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it's not top down because it's direct democracy which is bottom-up (decisions emerge from indiividuals)
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“Politics: the art of using euphemisms, lies, emotionalism and fear-mongering to dupe average people into accepting--or even demanding--their own enslavement.”

Larken Rose


To be blunt, the belief in "authority" serves as a mental crutch for people seeking to escape the responsibility involved with being a thinking human being. It is an attempt to pass off the responsibility for decision-making to someone else: those claiming to have "authority. - Author: Larken Rose
“I'm not scared of the Maos and the Stalins and the Hitlers.
I'm scared of the thousands of millions of people that hallucinate them to be "authority", and so do their bidding, and pay for their empires, and carry out their orders.
I don't care if there's one looney with a stupid moustache. He's not a threat if the people do not believe in "authority".”

Larken Rose
 Quoting: Loup Garou


Well said. How do we get from here to there? Can we simply skip to anarchy or should that be a gradual goal? Lots of programming to over come.
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No. That is thinking inside their box.

We have to stop thinking in terms of their definition of the world - that's where the brainwashing began and herded us into the confines we are at now.

I like the way this guy thinks:


 Quoting: ElleMira


He is not wrong that is for sure. The answer certainly is not a top down solution, sorry OP. I have been banging the parallel structure idea because I am not sure what other solution we have then to create a better and more attractive alternative. Unfortunately the idea gets very little traction, even in a forum like this. Trying to discuss the idea in the Q thread, thinking these appear to be people who care, maybe they might discuss it because the idea is not antithetical to Q, gets me completely attacked. It is absolutely mind blowing to me. I am unsure how we over come the apathy and normalcy bias that is present here much less in normie land, it is rather a depressing thought.

Thread: Parallel Structures
 Quoting: Questioning369


dude how on earth did you read what i proposed as top-down solution? :)

it's bottom up all the way
 Quoting: VenusRose


what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?
 Quoting:


You are asking should we be solving a global crisis with a global solution by having 100's of millions come together to agree on a world wide constitution. That seems pretty top-down to me.

Personally I have had a hard time proposing a bottom up like solution, I cant imagine how you would be able to go about fixing a global problem via a global solution. Who exactly will you be petitioning anyways? When did even our petitions in the US ever make a difference?

I appreciate your thought processes and wanting to make change for the better, I am unsure of the theory. I wish you luck none the less.
 Quoting: Questioning369


also you focus too much on the possible difference (which might not be in fact)

i'll look later into your paralel structures idea.

but till the think about it in this way.

let's say parallel structures is the way to gom and is the best idea.

question is who do you bring it about, how do you get humanity onboard to make that system as the new way.

you'll still need a form of what i'm speaking about to legitimize and bring about that new system
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edit(After I ranted I realized I wasn't addressing your exact idea, but had extrapolated to "world govt" which you didn't say. I'm leaving it though because it is related and relevant. Response to your actual post is at the end.)

Humans were never meant to and never will be able to have enough common ground to agree on world government.

No matter how much they deny race differences, sex differences, culture differences, geography differences, and everything else... those differences exist nonetheless, and for good reasons.

You can't take hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and replace it with words on paper (or hard drive).

If they can't properly manage a single city, state, or country, how can anyone properly manage a planet?

It is all going to crash before we can go any further, because too many workarounds have been used instead of fixing the underlying problems.

The duct tape will not hold any more, and the frame is bent.


We are at our best when we live modularly and naturally and interactions occur only when both sides wish it and agree to the terms. Leaders/Representatives acting on behalf of a group are only effective when they actually represent the realistic expectations of their constituents. I say realistic expectations to distinguish from majority vote and mob rule, which can often want something that is unattainable and ill advised, due to their lack of education or ethics.

None of the above is even possible unless the constituents possess true knowledge of their environment and abilities and a sense of self responsibility and socially positive ethics. This was historically provided via Religion. It may not have been 100% accurate knowledge, but it was consistent and widely accepted and at least had a system of ethics that were generally positive socially. (exceptions being ones that subvert groups based on race/sex/etc) but for sake of example lets use the 10 commandents, which gave the basic no murder, rape, theft guidelines that are keystones of society.

But today --- Religion is only recognized for non Christians, and most of those are racist and sexist and socially negative in practice. Where Christianity is accepted or pretended to be a guide, it has been bastardized and bent to serve the purposes of the few, not the many.
Even Science, "knowledge" itself, has been coopted by political operatives and corporate demons who obscure real truth and substitute narrative fueling garbage.

So, no. No global governance of any kind will work.

Everyone must start and finish locally, then connect with adjacent regions to form a new social network of modular stable independent "states" that share ideas and resources as desired but never impose expectations.

That was the original idea of the States. To be separate but equal labs for experimentation, so that the successes could be shared as examples and the failures as warnings to other states contemplating similar actions.

If you try to homogenize the planet, there is no control group.


Now all that said---

If you stick to the concept of a new Constitution that exists solely to identify those things which no govt may dictate and that remain the sole responsibility and right of every human individual. (like no forced vaccines, free speech, etc) I am on board with that and think it is a good idea.
 Quoting: The Rickest Rick Sanchez



Yes - well said. People evolve and create culture, languages, philosophies, and symbiotic relations within their lands organically - it is a natural process. To force that as the only way to live in this entire world - socially engineer a one world order human existence - is unnatural, a disaster.

Within the United States, we've had success because of FREEDOM - freedom of religion, freedom to live how choose to live. In Pennsylvania, you had your Quakers and your Amish. In Utah, you have your Mormons. In South Carolina, you have your Huguenots. In Montana you have your Hutterites. In San Francisco, you have your gay communities (who now want to push it on everyone in the United States) and your atheists in Austin.

There are different dialects and cultures throughout the United States who have lived freely for hundreds of years. You got your Creole and Cajun in Louisiana. Your Gullah in the low country of South Carolina and Georgia. Your German/Russian Mennonites up through Kansas to Nebraska. Your Finnish communities in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. And I could go on and on ad nauseum - but the reason why we in America were successful for so long is because we had freedoms and liberties to live the way we wanted, without other ideologies pushed down our throats.

Now the one world, NWO, wants to erase all of our cultural identities, all of our religious identities, all of our values and adopt ideas that many believe are inherently evil. Tolerance is not about accepting everything thrown your way - tolerance is knowing you don't always like what's out there, but you allow people their beliefs and they allow you your beliefs without trespassing and infringing upon one another. That's what being neighborly is about.
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“Politics: the art of using euphemisms, lies, emotionalism and fear-mongering to dupe average people into accepting--or even demanding--their own enslavement.”

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To be blunt, the belief in "authority" serves as a mental crutch for people seeking to escape the responsibility involved with being a thinking human being. It is an attempt to pass off the responsibility for decision-making to someone else: those claiming to have "authority. - Author: Larken Rose
“I'm not scared of the Maos and the Stalins and the Hitlers.
I'm scared of the thousands of millions of people that hallucinate them to be "authority", and so do their bidding, and pay for their empires, and carry out their orders.
I don't care if there's one looney with a stupid moustache. He's not a threat if the people do not believe in "authority".”

Larken Rose
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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?



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edit(After I ranted I realized I wasn't addressing your exact idea, but had extrapolated to "world govt" which you didn't say. I'm leaving it though because it is related and relevant. Response to your actual post is at the end.)

Humans were never meant to and never will be able to have enough common ground to agree on world government.

No matter how much they deny race differences, sex differences, culture differences, geography differences, and everything else... those differences exist nonetheless, and for good reasons.

You can't take hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and replace it with words on paper (or hard drive).

If they can't properly manage a single city, state, or country, how can anyone properly manage a planet?

It is all going to crash before we can go any further, because too many workarounds have been used instead of fixing the underlying problems.

The duct tape will not hold any more, and the frame is bent.


We are at our best when we live modularly and naturally and interactions occur only when both sides wish it and agree to the terms. Leaders/Representatives acting on behalf of a group are only effective when they actually represent the realistic expectations of their constituents. I say realistic expectations to distinguish from majority vote and mob rule, which can often want something that is unattainable and ill advised, due to their lack of education or ethics.

None of the above is even possible unless the constituents possess true knowledge of their environment and abilities and a sense of self responsibility and socially positive ethics. This was historically provided via Religion. It may not have been 100% accurate knowledge, but it was consistent and widely accepted and at least had a system of ethics that were generally positive socially. (exceptions being ones that subvert groups based on race/sex/etc) but for sake of example lets use the 10 commandents, which gave the basic no murder, rape, theft guidelines that are keystones of society.

But today --- Religion is only recognized for non Christians, and most of those are racist and sexist and socially negative in practice. Where Christianity is accepted or pretended to be a guide, it has been bastardized and bent to serve the purposes of the few, not the many.
Even Science, "knowledge" itself, has been coopted by political operatives and corporate demons who obscure real truth and substitute narrative fueling garbage.

So, no. No global governance of any kind will work.

Everyone must start and finish locally, then connect with adjacent regions to form a new social network of modular stable independent "states" that share ideas and resources as desired but never impose expectations.

That was the original idea of the States. To be separate but equal labs for experimentation, so that the successes could be shared as examples and the failures as warnings to other states contemplating similar actions.

If you try to homogenize the planet, there is no control group.


Now all that said---

If you stick to the concept of a new Constitution that exists solely to identify those things which no govt may dictate and that remain the sole responsibility and right of every human individual. (like no forced vaccines, free speech, etc) I am on board with that and think it is a good idea.
 Quoting: The Rickest Rick Sanchez



Yes - well said. People evolve and create culture, languages, philosophies, and symbiotic relations within their lands organically - it is a natural process. To force that as the only way to live in this entire world - socially engineer a one world order human existence - is unnatural, a disaster.

Within the United States, we've had success because of FREEDOM - freedom of religion, freedom to live how choose to live. In Pennsylvania, you had your Quakers and your Amish. In Utah, you have your Mormons. In South Carolina, you have your Huguenots. In Montana you have your Hutterites. In San Francisco, you have your gay communities (who now want to push it on everyone in the United States) and your atheists in Austin.

There are different dialects and cultures throughout the United States who have lived freely for hundreds of years. You got your Creole and Cajun in Louisiana. Your Gullah in the low country of South Carolina and Georgia. Your German/Russian Mennonites up through Kansas to Nebraska. Your Finnish communities in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. And I could go on and on ad nauseum - but the reason why we in America were successful for so long is because we had freedoms and liberties to live the way we wanted, without other ideologies pushed down our throats.

Now the one world, NWO, wants to erase all of our cultural identities, all of our religious identities, all of our values and adopt ideas that many believe are inherently evil. Tolerance is not about accepting everything thrown your way - tolerance is knowing you don't always like what's out there, but you allow people their beliefs and they allow you your beliefs without trespassing and infringing upon one another. That's what being neighborly is about.
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again, you can't have that without a clear set of rules that forbids interference into those freedoms. that's what i was hinting at with the american constitution.

we are already global in many ways. my point is that to avoid the BAD way of global which is what you are describing, is not to try to go back in town 300 years ago, but to stop that possibility at the highest level of societal rules.

so i'm not disagreeing with your content about what is the BAD way
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How about everyone just leave me the fuck alone and no one has to get hurt.

Will that work OP? cause if not fuck em and feed em fish heads
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How about everyone just leave me the fuck alone and no one has to get hurt.

Will that work OP? cause if not fuck em and feed em fish heads
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yea that would be in a nutshell :)
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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


I like the way you think. Yes, the blockchain is the answer for all...immutable. hf
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im de-pressed
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He is not wrong that is for sure. The answer certainly is not a top down solution, sorry OP. I have been banging the parallel structure idea because I am not sure what other solution we have then to create a better and more attractive alternative. Unfortunately the idea gets very little traction, even in a forum like this. Trying to discuss the idea in the Q thread, thinking these appear to be people who care, maybe they might discuss it because the idea is not antithetical to Q, gets me completely attacked. It is absolutely mind blowing to me. I am unsure how we over come the apathy and normalcy bias that is present here much less in normie land, it is rather a depressing thought.

Thread: Parallel Structures
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dude how on earth did you read what i proposed as top-down solution? :)

it's bottom up all the way
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what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?
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You are asking should we be solving a global crisis with a global solution by having 100's of millions come together to agree on a world wide constitution. That seems pretty top-down to me.

Personally I have had a hard time proposing a bottom up like solution, I cant imagine how you would be able to go about fixing a global problem via a global solution. Who exactly will you be petitioning anyways? When did even our petitions in the US ever make a difference?

I appreciate your thought processes and wanting to make change for the better, I am unsure of the theory. I wish you luck none the less.
 Quoting: Questioning369


also you focus too much on the possible difference (which might not be in fact)

i'll look later into your paralel structures idea.

but till the think about it in this way.

let's say parallel structures is the way to gom and is the best idea.

question is who do you bring it about, how do you get humanity onboard to make that system as the new way.

you'll still need a form of what i'm speaking about to legitimize and bring about that new system
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Parallel structures is not my idea, it was coined as far as I know by Vaclav Havel but I first came across it reading Hello Stupid by A.L. Kitselman. In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962. He suggested, much better than I ever could, that anywhere a vote might currently be taken, such as a business, social club, etc could be where the idea is implemented.

Personally I see the idea also in the Ubuntu movement which is not so much focused on the governing aspect. However, a governing form of parallel structure such as suggested by Kitselman and Havel may be very synergistic or complimentary of the Ubuntu movement.

The person who introduced the Ubuntu movement to me here on GLP is mia, I have been hoping to talk to him more about Ubuntu, does he know Michael Tellinger personally? Where is the movement now, how is it working, etc. Would it be wise to reach out to them about Havel and Kitselman's parallel structures? Alas, like I said he is mia so pursuing that is in limbo for me.

Is it the solution? I dont know, I sure think it deserves to be discussed in depth considering what we are facing and up against. I do not see it as an immediate fix, however if coupled with a spiritual movement, which could be more effective in the immediate future considering the potential in prayer and mind over matter or field sciences, I think there is real hope.

I also am not saying you idea does not have merit, it does. I am just expressing how difficult it has been discussing a way to give people back their own power much less doing so on a global level.

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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
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I like the way you think. Yes, the blockchain is the answer for all...immutable. hf
 Quoting: Noodles888


i see blockchain in this context as democracy at tech level.

no state-run agencies controlling the info,

but ownership of info at individual level, and validation of data by myriads of parties.

no stolen elections, no fake data produced by all kinds of state agencies that no one can check and much more along these lines
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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


I like the way you think. Yes, the blockchain is the answer for all...immutable. hf
 Quoting: Noodles888


i see blockchain in this context as democracy at tech level.

no state-run agencies controlling the info,

but ownership of info at individual level, and validation of data by myriads of parties.

no stolen elections, no fake data produced by all kinds of state agencies that no one can check and much more along these lines
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This is an interesting concept, one I have considered in regards to parallel structures. In a sense, block chain tech itself is a parallel information structure with the possibility of being so much more.

Is it the platform we use to actually participate in government from? Would we need a representative is we were able to vote on laws directly instead of simply representatives, which of course is not truly democracy.

This is a important discussion to be having and kudos to you OP for starting it and in getting it pinned for exposure.
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dude how on earth did you read what i proposed as top-down solution? :)

it's bottom up all the way
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what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?
 Quoting:


You are asking should we be solving a global crisis with a global solution by having 100's of millions come together to agree on a world wide constitution. That seems pretty top-down to me.

Personally I have had a hard time proposing a bottom up like solution, I cant imagine how you would be able to go about fixing a global problem via a global solution. Who exactly will you be petitioning anyways? When did even our petitions in the US ever make a difference?

I appreciate your thought processes and wanting to make change for the better, I am unsure of the theory. I wish you luck none the less.
 Quoting: Questioning369


also you focus too much on the possible difference (which might not be in fact)

i'll look later into your paralel structures idea.

but till the think about it in this way.

let's say parallel structures is the way to gom and is the best idea.

question is who do you bring it about, how do you get humanity onboard to make that system as the new way.

you'll still need a form of what i'm speaking about to legitimize and bring about that new system
 Quoting: VenusRose


Parallel structures is not my idea, it was coined as far as I know by Vaclav Havel but I first came across it reading Hello Stupid by A.L. Kitselman. In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962. He suggested, much better than I ever could, that anywhere a vote might currently be taken, such as a business, social club, etc could be where the idea is implemented.

Personally I see the idea also in the Ubuntu movement which is not so much focused on the governing aspect. However, a governing form of parallel structure such as suggested by Kitselman and Havel may be very synergistic or complimentary of the Ubuntu movement.

The person who introduced the Ubuntu movement to me here on GLP is mia, I have been hoping to talk to him more about Ubuntu, does he know Michael Tellinger personally? Where is the movement now, how is it working, etc. Would it be wise to reach out to them about Havel and Kitselman's parallel structures? Alas, like I said he is mia so pursuing that is in limbo for me.

Is it the solution? I dont know, I sure think it deserves to be discussed in depth considering what we are facing and up against. I do not see it as an immediate fix, however if coupled with a spiritual movement, which could be more effective in the immediate future considering the potential in prayer and mind over matter or field sciences, I think there is real potential.

I also am not saying you idea does not have merit, it does. I am just expressing how difficult it has been discussing a way to give people back their own power much less doing so on a global level.
 Quoting: Questioning369


"In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962"

is the same with what i was saying lol.

we just need to get those wise across the globe together so they put their brains together and work it out





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