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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


I like the way you think. Yes, the blockchain is the answer for all...immutable. hf
 Quoting: Noodles888


i see blockchain in this context as democracy at tech level.

no state-run agencies controlling the info,

but ownership of info at individual level, and validation of data by myriads of parties.

no stolen elections, no fake data produced by all kinds of state agencies that no one can check and much more along these lines
 Quoting: VenusRose


Agree, complete transparency and autonomy. The greatest invention of our time...lets see if they let it prevail.
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edit(After I ranted I realized I wasn't addressing your exact idea, but had extrapolated to "world govt" which you didn't say. I'm leaving it though because it is related and relevant. Response to your actual post is at the end.)

Humans were never meant to and never will be able to have enough common ground to agree on world government.

No matter how much they deny race differences, sex differences, culture differences, geography differences, and everything else... those differences exist nonetheless, and for good reasons.

You can't take hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and replace it with words on paper (or hard drive).

If they can't properly manage a single city, state, or country, how can anyone properly manage a planet?

It is all going to crash before we can go any further, because too many workarounds have been used instead of fixing the underlying problems.

The duct tape will not hold any more, and the frame is bent.


We are at our best when we live modularly and naturally and interactions occur only when both sides wish it and agree to the terms. Leaders/Representatives acting on behalf of a group are only effective when they actually represent the realistic expectations of their constituents. I say realistic expectations to distinguish from majority vote and mob rule, which can often want something that is unattainable and ill advised, due to their lack of education or ethics.

None of the above is even possible unless the constituents possess true knowledge of their environment and abilities and a sense of self responsibility and socially positive ethics. This was historically provided via Religion. It may not have been 100% accurate knowledge, but it was consistent and widely accepted and at least had a system of ethics that were generally positive socially. (exceptions being ones that subvert groups based on race/sex/etc) but for sake of example lets use the 10 commandents, which gave the basic no murder, rape, theft guidelines that are keystones of society.

But today --- Religion is only recognized for non Christians, and most of those are racist and sexist and socially negative in practice. Where Christianity is accepted or pretended to be a guide, it has been bastardized and bent to serve the purposes of the few, not the many.
Even Science, "knowledge" itself, has been coopted by political operatives and corporate demons who obscure real truth and substitute narrative fueling garbage.

So, no. No global governance of any kind will work.

Everyone must start and finish locally, then connect with adjacent regions to form a new social network of modular stable independent "states" that share ideas and resources as desired but never impose expectations.

That was the original idea of the States. To be separate but equal labs for experimentation, so that the successes could be shared as examples and the failures as warnings to other states contemplating similar actions.

If you try to homogenize the planet, there is no control group.


Now all that said---

If you stick to the concept of a new Constitution that exists solely to identify those things which no govt may dictate and that remain the sole responsibility and right of every human individual. (like no forced vaccines, free speech, etc) I am on board with that and think it is a good idea.
 Quoting: The Rickest Rick Sanchez



Yes - well said. People evolve and create culture, languages, philosophies, and symbiotic relations within their lands organically - it is a natural process. To force that as the only way to live in this entire world - socially engineer a one world order human existence - is unnatural, a disaster.

Within the United States, we've had success because of FREEDOM - freedom of religion, freedom to live how choose to live. In Pennsylvania, you had your Quakers and your Amish. In Utah, you have your Mormons. In South Carolina, you have your Huguenots. In Montana you have your Hutterites. In San Francisco, you have your gay communities (who now want to push it on everyone in the United States) and your atheists in Austin.

There are different dialects and cultures throughout the United States who have lived freely for hundreds of years. You got your Creole and Cajun in Louisiana. Your Gullah in the low country of South Carolina and Georgia. Your German/Russian Mennonites up through Kansas to Nebraska. Your Finnish communities in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. And I could go on and on ad nauseum - but the reason why we in America were successful for so long is because we had freedoms and liberties to live the way we wanted, without other ideologies pushed down our throats.

Now the one world, NWO, wants to erase all of our cultural identities, all of our religious identities, all of our values and adopt ideas that many believe are inherently evil. Tolerance is not about accepting everything thrown your way - tolerance is knowing you don't always like what's out there, but you allow people their beliefs and they allow you your beliefs without trespassing and infringing upon one another. That's what being neighborly is about.
 Quoting: ElleMira


again, you can't have that without a clear set of rules that forbids interference into those freedoms. that's what i was hinting at with the american constitution.

we are already global in many ways. my point is that to avoid the BAD way of global which is what you are describing, is not to try to go back in town 300 years ago, but to stop that possibility at the highest level of societal rules.

so i'm not disagreeing with your content about what is the BAD way
 Quoting: VenusRose


We had that before the globalists interfered and sought to dissolve national identities, national sovereignty.

I'm not trying to be argumentative but I don't think you understand that ideas of national/cultural/religious identities is in stark contrast to what the globalists want. National sovereignty and the freedoms/liberties that facilitate such will not be tolerated by the globalists. This is why the IMF, WTO, World Bank set into place economic controls - to take away nations' rights to their own economies. It is now trickling down to individual, economic freedoms - where we all must serve a one world order economic beast that serves their corruption.
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


I like the way you think. Yes, the blockchain is the answer for all...immutable. hf
 Quoting: Noodles888


i see blockchain in this context as democracy at tech level.

no state-run agencies controlling the info,

but ownership of info at individual level, and validation of data by myriads of parties.

no stolen elections, no fake data produced by all kinds of state agencies that no one can check and much more along these lines
 Quoting: VenusRose


This is an interesting concept, one I have considered in regards to parallel structures. In a sense, block chain tech itself is a parallel information structure with the possibility of being so much more.

Is it the platform we use to actually participate in government from? Would we need a representative is we were able to vote on laws directly instead of simply representatives, which of course is not truly democracy.

This is a important discussion to be having and kudos to you OP for starting it and in getting it pinned for exposure.
 Quoting: Questioning369


representatives as they are now are obsolete.

sure you can delegate to whomever you might want (liquid democracy is called) but it would still be a form of direct democracy
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


Make a token for it and earn enough wealth to buy them out
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edit(After I ranted I realized I wasn't addressing your exact idea, but had extrapolated to "world govt" which you didn't say. I'm leaving it though because it is related and relevant. Response to your actual post is at the end.)

Humans were never meant to and never will be able to have enough common ground to agree on world government.

No matter how much they deny race differences, sex differences, culture differences, geography differences, and everything else... those differences exist nonetheless, and for good reasons.

You can't take hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and replace it with words on paper (or hard drive).

If they can't properly manage a single city, state, or country, how can anyone properly manage a planet?

It is all going to crash before we can go any further, because too many workarounds have been used instead of fixing the underlying problems.

The duct tape will not hold any more, and the frame is bent.


We are at our best when we live modularly and naturally and interactions occur only when both sides wish it and agree to the terms. Leaders/Representatives acting on behalf of a group are only effective when they actually represent the realistic expectations of their constituents. I say realistic expectations to distinguish from majority vote and mob rule, which can often want something that is unattainable and ill advised, due to their lack of education or ethics.

None of the above is even possible unless the constituents possess true knowledge of their environment and abilities and a sense of self responsibility and socially positive ethics. This was historically provided via Religion. It may not have been 100% accurate knowledge, but it was consistent and widely accepted and at least had a system of ethics that were generally positive socially. (exceptions being ones that subvert groups based on race/sex/etc) but for sake of example lets use the 10 commandents, which gave the basic no murder, rape, theft guidelines that are keystones of society.

But today --- Religion is only recognized for non Christians, and most of those are racist and sexist and socially negative in practice. Where Christianity is accepted or pretended to be a guide, it has been bastardized and bent to serve the purposes of the few, not the many.
Even Science, "knowledge" itself, has been coopted by political operatives and corporate demons who obscure real truth and substitute narrative fueling garbage.

So, no. No global governance of any kind will work.

Everyone must start and finish locally, then connect with adjacent regions to form a new social network of modular stable independent "states" that share ideas and resources as desired but never impose expectations.

That was the original idea of the States. To be separate but equal labs for experimentation, so that the successes could be shared as examples and the failures as warnings to other states contemplating similar actions.

If you try to homogenize the planet, there is no control group.


Now all that said---

If you stick to the concept of a new Constitution that exists solely to identify those things which no govt may dictate and that remain the sole responsibility and right of every human individual. (like no forced vaccines, free speech, etc) I am on board with that and think it is a good idea.
 Quoting: The Rickest Rick Sanchez



Yes - well said. People evolve and create culture, languages, philosophies, and symbiotic relations within their lands organically - it is a natural process. To force that as the only way to live in this entire world - socially engineer a one world order human existence - is unnatural, a disaster.

Within the United States, we've had success because of FREEDOM - freedom of religion, freedom to live how choose to live. In Pennsylvania, you had your Quakers and your Amish. In Utah, you have your Mormons. In South Carolina, you have your Huguenots. In Montana you have your Hutterites. In San Francisco, you have your gay communities (who now want to push it on everyone in the United States) and your atheists in Austin.

There are different dialects and cultures throughout the United States who have lived freely for hundreds of years. You got your Creole and Cajun in Louisiana. Your Gullah in the low country of South Carolina and Georgia. Your German/Russian Mennonites up through Kansas to Nebraska. Your Finnish communities in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. And I could go on and on ad nauseum - but the reason why we in America were successful for so long is because we had freedoms and liberties to live the way we wanted, without other ideologies pushed down our throats.

Now the one world, NWO, wants to erase all of our cultural identities, all of our religious identities, all of our values and adopt ideas that many believe are inherently evil. Tolerance is not about accepting everything thrown your way - tolerance is knowing you don't always like what's out there, but you allow people their beliefs and they allow you your beliefs without trespassing and infringing upon one another. That's what being neighborly is about.
 Quoting: ElleMira


again, you can't have that without a clear set of rules that forbids interference into those freedoms. that's what i was hinting at with the american constitution.

we are already global in many ways. my point is that to avoid the BAD way of global which is what you are describing, is not to try to go back in town 300 years ago, but to stop that possibility at the highest level of societal rules.

so i'm not disagreeing with your content about what is the BAD way
 Quoting: VenusRose


We had that before the globalists interfered and sought to dissolve national identities, national sovereignty.

I'm not trying to be argumentative but I don't think you understand that ideas of national/cultural/religious identities is in stark contrast to what the globalists want. National sovereignty and the freedoms/liberties that facilitate such will not be tolerated by the globalists. This is why the IMF, WTO, World Bank set into place economic controls - to take away nations' rights to their own economies. It is now trickling down to individual, economic freedoms - where we all must serve a one world order economic beast that serves their corruption.
 Quoting: ElleMira


i m both against nations and globalists you speak of.

i'm all for bottom-up communities.

if scotland wants to secede fine, if a village wants to make their own rules fine.

i don't know what you find so good in nations lol. it's still a supra-structure that treats individuals like pawns.

the power you hate in globalists is the same power that till now was expressed at national level.

you know very well all the totalitarian regimes were created at and upon the national state structure.

cultures that s a different thing. but not nations.
the good world is one in which if i want to identify as alien from sirius i will have that as my main culture in id

not whereever i ended up being born physically on this earth.

what the globalists that you hate want to do is just a super-state with the same top-down enforcements and elites like we have now in nations.

isn t it obvious EU is doing that, US at fed level is trying to do that to the states and so on?
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


Make a token for it and earn enough wealth to buy them out
 Quoting: Johnny Balls


haha yea well put well put :)
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You are asking should we be solving a global crisis with a global solution by having 100's of millions come together to agree on a world wide constitution. That seems pretty top-down to me.

Personally I have had a hard time proposing a bottom up like solution, I cant imagine how you would be able to go about fixing a global problem via a global solution. Who exactly will you be petitioning anyways? When did even our petitions in the US ever make a difference?

I appreciate your thought processes and wanting to make change for the better, I am unsure of the theory. I wish you luck none the less.
 Quoting: Questioning369


also you focus too much on the possible difference (which might not be in fact)

i'll look later into your paralel structures idea.

but till the think about it in this way.

let's say parallel structures is the way to gom and is the best idea.

question is who do you bring it about, how do you get humanity onboard to make that system as the new way.

you'll still need a form of what i'm speaking about to legitimize and bring about that new system
 Quoting: VenusRose


Parallel structures is not my idea, it was coined as far as I know by Vaclav Havel but I first came across it reading Hello Stupid by A.L. Kitselman. In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962. He suggested, much better than I ever could, that anywhere a vote might currently be taken, such as a business, social club, etc could be where the idea is implemented.

Personally I see the idea also in the Ubuntu movement which is not so much focused on the governing aspect. However, a governing form of parallel structure such as suggested by Kitselman and Havel may be very synergistic or complimentary of the Ubuntu movement.

The person who introduced the Ubuntu movement to me here on GLP is mia, I have been hoping to talk to him more about Ubuntu, does he know Michael Tellinger personally? Where is the movement now, how is it working, etc. Would it be wise to reach out to them about Havel and Kitselman's parallel structures? Alas, like I said he is mia so pursuing that is in limbo for me.

Is it the solution? I dont know, I sure think it deserves to be discussed in depth considering what we are facing and up against. I do not see it as an immediate fix, however if coupled with a spiritual movement, which could be more effective in the immediate future considering the potential in prayer and mind over matter or field sciences, I think there is real potential.

I also am not saying you idea does not have merit, it does. I am just expressing how difficult it has been discussing a way to give people back their own power much less doing so on a global level.
 Quoting: Questioning369


"In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962"

is the same with what i was saying lol.

we just need to get those wise across the globe together so they put their brains together and work it out
 Quoting: VenusRose


Its an interesting concept. In his book he sort of takes a shot at the one vote for one man principal we currently have. He points out that with this method, we only ever would get slightly better than average leadership. Which of course really isnt addressing the fact that we really dont know for how long elections such as we have here in the states have been fraudulent.

His suggestion was to answer the question, what is wise in everything? From there, I can only surmise we would be doing this to identify those who are the wisest among us and somehow create a voting system that gives a little more voting power to these individuals. I cant help consider tribal politics, how the shaman and elders would have been spiritual and probably policy leaders while the chief would be the enforcer.

Except with this idea, everyone could have a say directly in any and every issue PLUS there would be a format to follow as to how to attain the full vote, thus potentially creating something that more resembles a true democracy than what we have now while honoring wisdom. I almost see it as a Akashic record sort of thing that would continually evolve. It would require extreme transparency I imagine, which might be a good thing right about now.
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$3.50

Look another shill creating "what if" fairy tale scenarios to justify destroying the Constitution instead of castrating the government at every facet to scale back their power to the 10th Amendment by reverting back to common law as intended instead of OP's bullshit game plan like Trump's TRUST THE PLAN PSY-OP that he never disavowed or acknowledged by design to play right into the enemy's hands by cutting off our nose to spite our face

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also you focus too much on the possible difference (which might not be in fact)

i'll look later into your paralel structures idea.

but till the think about it in this way.

let's say parallel structures is the way to gom and is the best idea.

question is who do you bring it about, how do you get humanity onboard to make that system as the new way.

you'll still need a form of what i'm speaking about to legitimize and bring about that new system
 Quoting: VenusRose


Parallel structures is not my idea, it was coined as far as I know by Vaclav Havel but I first came across it reading Hello Stupid by A.L. Kitselman. In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962. He suggested, much better than I ever could, that anywhere a vote might currently be taken, such as a business, social club, etc could be where the idea is implemented.

Personally I see the idea also in the Ubuntu movement which is not so much focused on the governing aspect. However, a governing form of parallel structure such as suggested by Kitselman and Havel may be very synergistic or complimentary of the Ubuntu movement.

The person who introduced the Ubuntu movement to me here on GLP is mia, I have been hoping to talk to him more about Ubuntu, does he know Michael Tellinger personally? Where is the movement now, how is it working, etc. Would it be wise to reach out to them about Havel and Kitselman's parallel structures? Alas, like I said he is mia so pursuing that is in limbo for me.

Is it the solution? I dont know, I sure think it deserves to be discussed in depth considering what we are facing and up against. I do not see it as an immediate fix, however if coupled with a spiritual movement, which could be more effective in the immediate future considering the potential in prayer and mind over matter or field sciences, I think there is real potential.

I also am not saying you idea does not have merit, it does. I am just expressing how difficult it has been discussing a way to give people back their own power much less doing so on a global level.
 Quoting: Questioning369


"In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962"

is the same with what i was saying lol.

we just need to get those wise across the globe together so they put their brains together and work it out
 Quoting: VenusRose


Its an interesting concept. In his book he sort of takes a shot at the one vote for one man principal we currently have. He points out that with this method, we only ever would get slightly better than average leadership. Which of course really isnt addressing the fact that we really dont know for how long elections such as we have here in the states have been fraudulent.

His suggestion was to answer the question, what is wise in everything? From there, I can only surmise we would be doing this to identify those who are the wisest among us and somehow create a voting system that gives a little more voting power to these individuals. I cant help consider tribal politics, how the shaman and elders would have been spiritual and probably policy leaders while the chief would be the enforcer.

Except with this idea, everyone could have a say directly in any and every issue PLUS there would be a format to follow as to how to attain the full vote, thus potentially creating something that more resembles a true democracy than what we have now while honoring wisdom. I almost see it as a Akashic record sort of thing that would continually evolve. It would require extreme transparency I imagine, which might be a good thing right about now.
 Quoting: Questioning369


yup.

you can fine tune it even more.

because you actually don't want people to know how much they are weighted, cause then you ll have the risk of people buying out or trying to influence those with bigger weight.

so you can actually have the weighting algo inside a black box so you actually have no clue how much weight your vote will have, but in the black box the wise will weight more.

and blockchain will safe guard that black box inside it making sure no one can manipulate the algo
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Look another shill creating "what if" fairy tale scenarios to justify destroying the Constitution instead of castrating the government at every facet to scale back their power to the 10th Amendment by reverting back to common law as intended instead of OP's bullshit game plan like Trump's TRUST THE PLAN PSY-OP that he never disavowed or acknowledged by design to play right into the enemy's hands by cutting off our nose to spite our face

trump-wng1
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you re not reading. i m all for making that 10th amendment work at world-wide scale and any other imaginable checks that would limit the power of governments, corporations and other such fictions over real human beings
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That’s a great idea after we get rid of them.
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yes whatever works, we just need to get rid of them :)
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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


I think the way forward is not the past.

You are right a new one will be required and will become more obvious soon enough.

They are brainwashing the planet to hate america like nazi germany

A new system is all there is
 Quoting: HempWillSaveTheWorld


the only way there will ever be a free society is if the rules guaranteeing freedom of individuals will be set in stone.

there is simply no other way. and if you want those to be truly legitimate you need them to be enacted by the will of the people, not by these useless elites.

will of the people is always expressed by their true Elects, who are of them and for them.

and these are currently spread out across the world. if you don t get these people together there s no chance against current system
 Quoting: VenusRose



Have you read and studied the articles of confederation, the declaration, common law, the constitution, the bill of rights, the federalist papers, and other writings of the founders of America? Benjamin Franklin studied with the Iroquois people and used their foundation as part of our founding of our Nation.

We do not need anything new. The people need to educate themselves about their God given rights and then demand they be upheld, as our public servants were supposed to do.

If the people will not and can not take responsibility and uphold the law now, adding more or doing "something new" is going to be ineffective, and we will end up worse than we were.

God's Law is already set in stone, but humans are fallen for the most part, and follow the father of lies, so buy into legalese and limitations, struggle, violence, fear, control and punishment.

The people, as our founders foretold, traded their personal responsibility for victim hood and blame.

The U N is another illegitimate organization, and our Constitutional Republic has no lawful connections to it. The American republic was taken over by criminals, and is run by criminals as a corporation. The masses of people, who are and will remain peasants, are responsible for this.

The idea of a republic, which was a confederation of states, was to avoid central power, due to the inherent corruption. The federal government is very limited in their power, but they have ignored the law, and have bought everyone off at this point. Government was not supposed to be an employer or a nanny or a police thug.

This has all been planned for over a hundred years. Step by step, the people have caved to thug rule. Why? Because this is what they are taught to do. It is called modern parenting, or punitive parenting, and it is the model used by tyrants everywhere. Public school was created to create stupid, useful idiots who will obey their government god and punish anyone who disobeys.

Until a larger majority chooses to stop acting like stupid peasants, things will not change. Tyrants need victims in order to exist.

Most important to understand is this;
The people continue to give their consent to these atrocities. The government is not doing anything it has not always done. Only when more people realize it is up to them to decide, and they can stop giving their consent, and change their behavior, then this can end. There is not more push back, because the people gave their consent to tyranny, and enforce and promote the ten planks of the communist manifesto every day.

So what is the point to making more laws if the masses of people are happy under tyranny? OP, I appreciate your point, but until we actually are honest enough to get to the root of the problem, nothing will change.
H L Mencken: "The fact is that the average man’s love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men.
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Parallel structures is not my idea, it was coined as far as I know by Vaclav Havel but I first came across it reading Hello Stupid by A.L. Kitselman. In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962. He suggested, much better than I ever could, that anywhere a vote might currently be taken, such as a business, social club, etc could be where the idea is implemented.

Personally I see the idea also in the Ubuntu movement which is not so much focused on the governing aspect. However, a governing form of parallel structure such as suggested by Kitselman and Havel may be very synergistic or complimentary of the Ubuntu movement.

The person who introduced the Ubuntu movement to me here on GLP is mia, I have been hoping to talk to him more about Ubuntu, does he know Michael Tellinger personally? Where is the movement now, how is it working, etc. Would it be wise to reach out to them about Havel and Kitselman's parallel structures? Alas, like I said he is mia so pursuing that is in limbo for me.

Is it the solution? I dont know, I sure think it deserves to be discussed in depth considering what we are facing and up against. I do not see it as an immediate fix, however if coupled with a spiritual movement, which could be more effective in the immediate future considering the potential in prayer and mind over matter or field sciences, I think there is real potential.

I also am not saying you idea does not have merit, it does. I am just expressing how difficult it has been discussing a way to give people back their own power much less doing so on a global level.
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"In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962"

is the same with what i was saying lol.

we just need to get those wise across the globe together so they put their brains together and work it out
 Quoting: VenusRose


Its an interesting concept. In his book he sort of takes a shot at the one vote for one man principal we currently have. He points out that with this method, we only ever would get slightly better than average leadership. Which of course really isnt addressing the fact that we really dont know for how long elections such as we have here in the states have been fraudulent.

His suggestion was to answer the question, what is wise in everything? From there, I can only surmise we would be doing this to identify those who are the wisest among us and somehow create a voting system that gives a little more voting power to these individuals. I cant help consider tribal politics, how the shaman and elders would have been spiritual and probably policy leaders while the chief would be the enforcer.

Except with this idea, everyone could have a say directly in any and every issue PLUS there would be a format to follow as to how to attain the full vote, thus potentially creating something that more resembles a true democracy than what we have now while honoring wisdom. I almost see it as a Akashic record sort of thing that would continually evolve. It would require extreme transparency I imagine, which might be a good thing right about now.
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yup.

you can fine tune it even more.

because you actually don't want people to know how much they are weighted, cause then you ll have the risk of people buying out or trying to influence those with bigger weight.

so you can actually have the weighting algo inside a black box so you actually have no clue how much weight your vote will have, but in the black box the wise will weight more.

and blockchain will safe guard that black box inside it making sure no one can manipulate the algo
 Quoting: VenusRose


Interesting, I always considered compassion and service to others two be two additions to Kitselman's idea that I would make. In essence, I would be looking to flip the script of what we currently have of a service to self and materialistic focused societies.

I am not sure how I feel about the weighting being hidden. I mean, that sort of seems like part of our current problem to me. Right now, we hide out votes right? Its proven that they can simply come in behind and do whatever they want to them with no redress. Who would be in control of the algorithm in a hidden, weighted system? I always thought whatever system something like this might be run on should be open sourced and taught to all so that we would all have the ability to police it as well as track who was tampering with it. Not sure if this is the best idea or even possible, it is just where my imagination leads to.
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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


I think the way forward is not the past.

You are right a new one will be required and will become more obvious soon enough.

They are brainwashing the planet to hate america like nazi germany

A new system is all there is
 Quoting: HempWillSaveTheWorld


the only way there will ever be a free society is if the rules guaranteeing freedom of individuals will be set in stone.

there is simply no other way. and if you want those to be truly legitimate you need them to be enacted by the will of the people, not by these useless elites.

will of the people is always expressed by their true Elects, who are of them and for them.

and these are currently spread out across the world. if you don t get these people together there s no chance against current system
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Have you read and studied the articles of confederation, the declaration, common law, the constitution, the bill of rights, the federalist papers, and other writings of the founders of America? Benjamin Franklin studied with the Iroquois people and used their foundation as part of our founding of our Nation.

We do not need anything new. The people need to educate themselves about their God given rights and then demand they be upheld, as our public servants were supposed to do.

If the people will not and can not take responsibility and uphold the law now, adding more or doing "something new" is going to be ineffective, and we will end up worse than we were.

God's Law is already set in stone, but humans are fallen for the most part, and follow the father of lies, so buy into legalese and limitations, struggle, violence, fear, control and punishment.

The people, as our founders foretold, traded their personal responsibility for victim hood and blame.

The U N is another illegitimate organization, and our Constitutional Republic has no lawful connections to it. The American republic was taken over by criminals, and is run by criminals as a corporation. The masses of people, who are and will remain peasants, are responsible for this.

The idea of a republic, which was a confederation of states, was to avoid central power, due to the inherent corruption. The federal government is very limited in their power, but they have ignored the law, and have bought everyone off at this point. Government was not supposed to be an employer or a nanny or a police thug.

This has all been planned for over a hundred years. Step by step, the people have caved to thug rule. Why? Because this is what they are taught to do. It is called modern parenting, or punitive parenting, and it is the model used by tyrants everywhere. Public school was created to create stupid, useful idiots who will obey their government god and punish anyone who disobeys.

Until a larger majority chooses to stop acting like stupid peasants, things will not change. Tyrants need victims in order to exist.

Most important to understand is this;
The people continue to give their consent to these atrocities. The government is not doing anything it has not always done. Only when more people realize it is up to them to decide, and they can stop giving their consent, and change their behavior, then this can end. There is not more push back, because the people gave their consent to tyranny, and enforce and promote the ten planks of the communist manifesto every day.

So what is the point to making more laws if the masses of people are happy under tyranny? OP, I appreciate your point, but until we actually are honest enough to get to the root of the problem, nothing will change.
 Quoting: Aravinda


There can be no doubt that some of the foundation of the US is grounded in wisdom, it has good bones. Unfortunately the structure chosen to build upon those good bones is obviously corruptible, consider what you have written. Consider that any form of power (representative) will always attract the worst of us, even if we are able to revert back to out true constitutional republic. It would only be a matter of time, representative democracy has proven to be a failure since it was able to be taken over from within. All you will need is a few generations and the cycle will repeat...
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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


I think the way forward is not the past.

You are right a new one will be required and will become more obvious soon enough.

They are brainwashing the planet to hate america like nazi germany

A new system is all there is
 Quoting: HempWillSaveTheWorld


the only way there will ever be a free society is if the rules guaranteeing freedom of individuals will be set in stone.

there is simply no other way. and if you want those to be truly legitimate you need them to be enacted by the will of the people, not by these useless elites.

will of the people is always expressed by their true Elects, who are of them and for them.

and these are currently spread out across the world. if you don t get these people together there s no chance against current system
 Quoting: VenusRose



Have you read and studied the articles of confederation, the declaration, common law, the constitution, the bill of rights, the federalist papers, and other writings of the founders of America? Benjamin Franklin studied with the Iroquois people and used their foundation as part of our founding of our Nation.

We do not need anything new. The people need to educate themselves about their God given rights and then demand they be upheld, as our public servants were supposed to do.

If the people will not and can not take responsibility and uphold the law now, adding more or doing "something new" is going to be ineffective, and we will end up worse than we were.

God's Law is already set in stone, but humans are fallen for the most part, and follow the father of lies, so buy into legalese and limitations, struggle, violence, fear, control and punishment.

The people, as our founders foretold, traded their personal responsibility for victim hood and blame.

The U N is another illegitimate organization, and our Constitutional Republic has no lawful connections to it. The American republic was taken over by criminals, and is run by criminals as a corporation. The masses of people, who are and will remain peasants, are responsible for this.

The idea of a republic, which was a confederation of states, was to avoid central power, due to the inherent corruption. The federal government is very limited in their power, but they have ignored the law, and have bought everyone off at this point. Government was not supposed to be an employer or a nanny or a police thug.

This has all been planned for over a hundred years. Step by step, the people have caved to thug rule. Why? Because this is what they are taught to do. It is called modern parenting, or punitive parenting, and it is the model used by tyrants everywhere. Public school was created to create stupid, useful idiots who will obey their government god and punish anyone who disobeys.

Until a larger majority chooses to stop acting like stupid peasants, things will not change. Tyrants need victims in order to exist.

Most important to understand is this;
The people continue to give their consent to these atrocities. The government is not doing anything it has not always done. Only when more people realize it is up to them to decide, and they can stop giving their consent, and change their behavior, then this can end. There is not more push back, because the people gave their consent to tyranny, and enforce and promote the ten planks of the communist manifesto every day.

So what is the point to making more laws if the masses of people are happy under tyranny? OP, I appreciate your point, but until we actually are honest enough to get to the root of the problem, nothing will change.
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i wasn t saying to make more laws.

i was talking about what you do to, just not only at american level.

or to put it simple along the lines you wrote.

how do you stop globalist tptb? what i'm saying is u can stop them by world-wide referndum made by the people and for the people in which they get back the power from those organizations like UN or whatever.

or if you wanna keep it at american level only. How do you get rid of the elites who hijacked the Republic?

trump was always part of the elite and he is also part of that hijacking.

but on paper if you would have 60% of americans settings things straight through a national referendum it could work.

sure your elites would falsify the results with current voting system lol, that s why u need blockchain.

also i'm afraid it's harder to directly express the will of the people in america than it would be at a global level right now.
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"In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962"

is the same with what i was saying lol.

we just need to get those wise across the globe together so they put their brains together and work it out
 Quoting: VenusRose


Its an interesting concept. In his book he sort of takes a shot at the one vote for one man principal we currently have. He points out that with this method, we only ever would get slightly better than average leadership. Which of course really isnt addressing the fact that we really dont know for how long elections such as we have here in the states have been fraudulent.

His suggestion was to answer the question, what is wise in everything? From there, I can only surmise we would be doing this to identify those who are the wisest among us and somehow create a voting system that gives a little more voting power to these individuals. I cant help consider tribal politics, how the shaman and elders would have been spiritual and probably policy leaders while the chief would be the enforcer.

Except with this idea, everyone could have a say directly in any and every issue PLUS there would be a format to follow as to how to attain the full vote, thus potentially creating something that more resembles a true democracy than what we have now while honoring wisdom. I almost see it as a Akashic record sort of thing that would continually evolve. It would require extreme transparency I imagine, which might be a good thing right about now.
 Quoting: Questioning369


yup.

you can fine tune it even more.

because you actually don't want people to know how much they are weighted, cause then you ll have the risk of people buying out or trying to influence those with bigger weight.

so you can actually have the weighting algo inside a black box so you actually have no clue how much weight your vote will have, but in the black box the wise will weight more.

and blockchain will safe guard that black box inside it making sure no one can manipulate the algo
 Quoting: VenusRose


Interesting, I always considered compassion and service to others two be two additions to Kitselman's idea that I would make. In essence, I would be looking to flip the script of what we currently have of a service to self and materialistic focused societies.

I am not sure how I feel about the weighting being hidden. I mean, that sort of seems like part of our current problem to me. Right now, we hide out votes right? Its proven that they can simply come in behind and do whatever they want to them with no redress. Who would be in control of the algorithm in a hidden, weighted system? I always thought whatever system something like this might be run on should be open sourced and taught to all so that we would all have the ability to police it as well as track who was tampering with it. Not sure if this is the best idea or even possible, it is just where my imagination leads to.
 Quoting: Questioning369


yes you would have it open source and safe guarded through blockchain.

think of the weighting algo as a neural net algo.

all the inputs go in and the output is processed by the neural net and in the process it adjusts and will weight the inputs.

but you don't need to know the weights, you just need to know that no one can tamper with them.

you can check zero knowledge proof

it s a way to prove you have an info without disclosing that info.

like you can prove to the policeman you have a valid driving license without any need for you to give him any info beside that. no need to give your name or address or anything.

the system would just send him the proof you do have a valid license.

this way in blockchain you can own all your data and only offer proofs for specific things to autorithies. and there would be no state agency holding any of your data whatsoever on their servers
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The way forward. Think gardening.

step 1. pull all of current crop from the ground, shake dirt off roots and put discarded plant on burn pile.

step 2. till the soil, turn it over and ready it for a new crop


step 3. plant the seeds of the desired crop

step 4. tend this garden daily, guard it from pests, insects, wildlife and any threats, water as necessary and pull any wild and unwanted grass or weeds from the soil, shake off the dirt and put discarded plant on burn pile

step 5. in time your crop will bear fruit, it will feed your family, your livestock and within itself are the seeds for a future crop.


Blood, sweat and tears.


Words without works leaves a blathering man very hungry.
 Quoting: Loup Garou


Sorry, missed this post. I like your analogy, it sounds like the formation of a parallel structure to me. In your analogy a parallel structure would be the new crop so I almost think there might need to be a pre-step in your analogy such as proving the new crop will thrive in the newly tilled soil. If you do not know beforehand that the new crop will thrive, you may be doing yourself a bigger service by removing the old, you dont want to go hungry after all. Edit - which you covered with your last statement.

5* for your analogy.

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The way forward. Think gardening.

step 1. pull all of current crop from the ground, shake dirt off roots and put discarded plant on burn pile.

step 2. till the soil, turn it over and ready it for a new crop


step 3. plant the seeds of the desired crop

step 4. tend this garden daily, guard it from pests, insects, wildlife and any threats, water as necessary and pull any wild and unwanted grass or weeds from the soil, shake off the dirt and put discarded plant on burn pile

step 5. in time your crop will bear fruit, it will feed your family, your livestock and within itself are the seeds for a future crop.


Blood, sweat and tears.


Words without works leaves a blathering man very hungry.
 Quoting: Loup Garou


Sorry, missed this post. I like your analogy, it sounds like the formation of a parallel structure to me. In your analogy a parallel structure would be the new crop so I almost think there might need to be a pre-step in your analogy such as proving the new crop will thrive in the newly tilled soil. If you do not know beforehand that the new crop will thrive, you may be doing yourself a bigger service by removing the old, you dont want to go hungry after all. Edit - which you covered with your last statement.

5* for your analogy.
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yea it makes all the difference what crop you will plant.

after all tptb are also working along the same analogy :)
they just want to plant a very bad crop from the perspective of individuality
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Its an interesting concept. In his book he sort of takes a shot at the one vote for one man principal we currently have. He points out that with this method, we only ever would get slightly better than average leadership. Which of course really isnt addressing the fact that we really dont know for how long elections such as we have here in the states have been fraudulent.

His suggestion was to answer the question, what is wise in everything? From there, I can only surmise we would be doing this to identify those who are the wisest among us and somehow create a voting system that gives a little more voting power to these individuals. I cant help consider tribal politics, how the shaman and elders would have been spiritual and probably policy leaders while the chief would be the enforcer.

Except with this idea, everyone could have a say directly in any and every issue PLUS there would be a format to follow as to how to attain the full vote, thus potentially creating something that more resembles a true democracy than what we have now while honoring wisdom. I almost see it as a Akashic record sort of thing that would continually evolve. It would require extreme transparency I imagine, which might be a good thing right about now.
 Quoting: Questioning369


yup.

you can fine tune it even more.

because you actually don't want people to know how much they are weighted, cause then you ll have the risk of people buying out or trying to influence those with bigger weight.

so you can actually have the weighting algo inside a black box so you actually have no clue how much weight your vote will have, but in the black box the wise will weight more.

and blockchain will safe guard that black box inside it making sure no one can manipulate the algo
 Quoting: VenusRose


Interesting, I always considered compassion and service to others two be two additions to Kitselman's idea that I would make. In essence, I would be looking to flip the script of what we currently have of a service to self and materialistic focused societies.

I am not sure how I feel about the weighting being hidden. I mean, that sort of seems like part of our current problem to me. Right now, we hide out votes right? Its proven that they can simply come in behind and do whatever they want to them with no redress. Who would be in control of the algorithm in a hidden, weighted system? I always thought whatever system something like this might be run on should be open sourced and taught to all so that we would all have the ability to police it as well as track who was tampering with it. Not sure if this is the best idea or even possible, it is just where my imagination leads to.
 Quoting: Questioning369


yes you would have it open source and safe guarded through blockchain.

think of the weighting algo as a neural net algo.

all the inputs go in and the output is processed by the neural net and in the process it adjusts and will weight the inputs.

but you don't need to know the weights, you just need to know that no one can tamper with them.

you can check zero knowledge proof

it s a way to prove you have an info without disclosing that info.

like you can prove to the policeman you have a valid driving license without any need for you to give him any info beside that. no need to give your name or address or anything.

the system would just send him the proof you do have a valid license.

this way in blockchain you can own all your data and only offer proofs for specific things to autorithies. and there would be no state agency holding any of your data whatsoever on their servers
 Quoting: VenusRose


Interesting, I must admit to my ignorance of block chain. Has it been totally verified that it has not connection whatsoever to any form of current government entity? I always considered the weighted score to resemble a chess rating based on peer review. In a simpler thought on this, I would revert back to a scale of up to 9, with 9 being considered the wisest and a full vote.

Kitselman never fleshed the whole thing out. It was written in the Socratic format and I encourage all to buy a copy and read it. Kitselman was reported to have upwards of 180+Iq from some testing methods. He was a shaman, mathematician as well as therapist. He was the running buddy of T.T. Brown of the Biefeld-Brown effect, among others. For the last twelve years I have been beating this drum as it seems evident this idea was meant for us today as we would have the computing power and technology to help manifest it.

[link to www.kitselman.com]

Speaking of manifestation, his E-therapy looks super interesting and been on my radar forever.

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You are a very gullible person, very naive.

TPTB want, and believe they need we the unwashed dead en masse.

Except for those trained monkeys who would become their Useful Idiots to sustain and run their machines. So their lives are filled with luxury and opulence.
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The world is not the solution, the world is the problem.
Democrazy is not the solution, democrazy is the problem.

There is only one solution, that is King Jesus.
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yup.

you can fine tune it even more.

because you actually don't want people to know how much they are weighted, cause then you ll have the risk of people buying out or trying to influence those with bigger weight.

so you can actually have the weighting algo inside a black box so you actually have no clue how much weight your vote will have, but in the black box the wise will weight more.

and blockchain will safe guard that black box inside it making sure no one can manipulate the algo
 Quoting: VenusRose


Interesting, I always considered compassion and service to others two be two additions to Kitselman's idea that I would make. In essence, I would be looking to flip the script of what we currently have of a service to self and materialistic focused societies.

I am not sure how I feel about the weighting being hidden. I mean, that sort of seems like part of our current problem to me. Right now, we hide out votes right? Its proven that they can simply come in behind and do whatever they want to them with no redress. Who would be in control of the algorithm in a hidden, weighted system? I always thought whatever system something like this might be run on should be open sourced and taught to all so that we would all have the ability to police it as well as track who was tampering with it. Not sure if this is the best idea or even possible, it is just where my imagination leads to.
 Quoting: Questioning369


yes you would have it open source and safe guarded through blockchain.

think of the weighting algo as a neural net algo.

all the inputs go in and the output is processed by the neural net and in the process it adjusts and will weight the inputs.

but you don't need to know the weights, you just need to know that no one can tamper with them.

you can check zero knowledge proof

it s a way to prove you have an info without disclosing that info.

like you can prove to the policeman you have a valid driving license without any need for you to give him any info beside that. no need to give your name or address or anything.

the system would just send him the proof you do have a valid license.

this way in blockchain you can own all your data and only offer proofs for specific things to autorithies. and there would be no state agency holding any of your data whatsoever on their servers
 Quoting: VenusRose


Interesting, I must admit to my ignorance of block chain. has it been totally verified that it has not connection whatsoever to any form of current government entity?

I always considered the weighted score to resemble a chess rating based on peer review.
 Quoting: Questioning369


blockchain is just a form of distributed ledger.

imagine we are a society of 100 members. and each one of us keep tracks of all our transaction in a ledger

so we have 100 ledgers each keeping the same history of transaction.

each time a transaction is made we write it in our ledgers and also the witnesses write it in theirs and then it's updated in all of them.

so if i want to forge a transaction i would need to get a hold of the majority of ledgers (actually is proven that can be done with just 1/3 rd) so i d need to convince the majority to also forge the transaction. which is much harder to do than now when the agency decides and forges the data and that s it.

also say at some point there is a transaction on which there is a big disagreement. 70 agree with it, 30 do not.

what happens in blockchain is that there is a secession. which is called a 'hard fork'

the 70 will keep one line of history, the other 30 will keep their own version and each continues along their path.


to exemplify with voting, say when i cast my vote i also record it in my ledger, so after i can always verify if the vote was recorded as i voted.

so even if someone would change it, i could cross-check and have the proof that my vote was changed
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You are a very gullible person, very naive.

TPTB want, and believe they need we the unwashed dead en masse.

Except for those trained monkeys who would become their Useful Idiots to sustain and run their machines. So their lives are filled with luxury and opulence.
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don t tell me you re a bot :)
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like u know, only way to get rid of the elites might be
a true world-wide democracy leveraging on the tech we now have to achieve this...

tech used for the good of the people this time, since it's a tool like any other
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democracy is not the answer, democracy is flawed, democracy is mob rule.

the mob are idiots and easily propagandized. the entire gov system is out date in the age of the internet when we all could vote on critical issues instead or relying on remote, greedy, self serving corrupted and lobbied representatives.
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The world is not the solution, the world is the problem.
Democrazy is not the solution, democrazy is the problem.

There is only one solution, that is King Jesus.
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and Jesus works through and for the people
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to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


Ask UN?

The commie center of the planned NWO ?

You missed some details

People need to TELL GOVERNMENTS they will not comply with a NWO one world government
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i didn't miss any detail.

i'm speaking about how to get that power over the world from the UN and hand it over through Humanity.

this is only possible through a world-wide referendum where all the 8 bln vote and thus take the power from UN since that organization will no longer be needed
 Quoting: VenusRose


You say that maybe 1 to 10 million are smart enough to think with their own brain, but the answer is a world democracy where the stupid majority get to decide for everyone? That seems like a detail you missed. Mob rule will not work.
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
$3.50

Look another shill creating "what if" fairy tale scenarios to justify destroying the Constitution instead of castrating the government at every facet to scale back their power to the 10th Amendment by reverting back to common law as intended instead of OP's bullshit game plan like Trump's TRUST THE PLAN PSY-OP that he never disavowed or acknowledged by design to play right into the enemy's hands by cutting off our nose to spite our face

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you re not reading. i m all for making that 10th amendment work at world-wide scale and any other imaginable checks that would limit the power of governments, corporations and other such fictions over real human beings
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Lady listen, I only deal in reality and we need to focus on America first before we start rescuing Europe again

I was the first one here years ago to call bullshit on Trump's DEPORTATION FORCE knowing darn well it would require a military style draft in support personnel just to augment the logistics that would be required to deport 10 million illegal aliens let alone the other 40 million the Republican Sanctuary City Mayors pretend don't exist either proving both sides of the political aisle are complicit in industrialized human trafficking on a Biblical scale to hollow out our electoral process by silencing our US through the nullification of our votes

America needs to handle her business before she starts rescuing our allies again otherwise freedom dies

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like u know, only way to get rid of the elites might be
a true world-wide democracy leveraging on the tech we now have to achieve this...

tech used for the good of the people this time, since it's a tool like any other
 Quoting: VenusRose


democracy is not the answer, democracy is flawed, democracy is mob rule.

the mob are idiots and easily propagandized. the entire gov system is out date in the age of the internet when we all could vote on critical issues instead or relying on remote, greedy, self serving corrupted and lobbied representatives.
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is funny you say democracy is flawed, then you say we could all vote with tech :)

what is called now democracy is flawed i agree.

the original concept of democracy comes from 2000 years ago in Athens Greece

but it's actually an innate thing to decent human beings.

if you and 5 friends wanna decide where to go tonight, one way or another you gonna vote for it, so that s democracy in it's essence.

not corrupt representatives and all the lobby.

and that's what was this thread was about, to get back to a working way in which the 'will of the people' is expressed which can also be upgraded to avoid 'mob rule'
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The world is not the solution, the world is the problem.
Democrazy is not the solution, democrazy is the problem.

There is only one solution, that is King Jesus.
 Quoting: Weyoun


and Jesus works through and for the people
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I always thought if we all lived more like Jesus, we would not be in this mess. That being said, I feel like we are responsible for where we are and thus the only ones who should be responsible for fixing it. Not our current or past forms of governments or religious institutions, which both are fully corrupted. To expect Jesus to fix our mess if we are unwilling to fix it ourselves has always seemed like a trap to me to lure us into doing nothing.
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