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VenusRose  (OP)

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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?
 Quoting: VenusRose


It must go further. We could try it with abandoning all leaders and the leadership itself, like it is in a brain.

All neurons in a brain are equal, there are no leader-neurons in a brain, the brain works great without leaders.

How can we achive this?

Nobody should try to be a leader, and nobody should accept someone who tries to be a leader.

We can solve problems like the neurons do:
With communication, with discussion.
 Quoting: OneOfFive


yup you went to the essence of it :)

i even registered a domain for this concept you talk here

TERRA BRAIN seemed to me an appropriate name for it :)

great to see someone resonated in that direction even if it wasn't hinted in the op
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


careful there, op.

Toni Lane Casserly had pretty much the same idea, now she's dead.
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Wow, never heard of her. Just watched her ted talk, why on earth would 'they' kill her. She ended her talk with 'The future is border-less and governed digitally.' I mean that sorta sounds like what is about to be forced upon us, does it not?

Which I suppose is not too far off from what I have been saying, at least the governing aspect being done on computers or digitally. Cant say I have ever given consideration to a border-less world, I suppose that could be a organic potential outcome much like I see the possibility for a less materialistic society. One where perhaps the currency is perceived spirituality or wisdom.

Ultimately I can not say a digital government or border-less world in and of themselves are bad things. It really comes down to how it is implemented (forced?), who controls the system (the few or the many) and how corruptible it may be.

Will have to look into her a bit more and this bitgov, thanks for the name drop.

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VenusRose  (OP)

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Absolutely not! These people are not to be trusted. We are headed to a really bad future if it’s not stopped immediately
 Quoting: continuity


what people bro?

when u wanna make a business you still have to register it as legal entity.

the true way is always within the bounds of law, even if actual laws are flawed.

why do you think the elites needed hundreds of years to reach current point?
cause they can't just do it, they need to find a way to work their way through many laws that outlaw their true intentions and find a way to pervert it.

all they built is just a sand castle,
provided enough of the real humans actually link together and make their stand inside the legal framework of the world.

thus a referendum is still the way since it's the most basic tool acknowledged in all civilized world as the tool to express the will of the people.

u.n. is just a corrupt organizations as catholic church and all other organizations like them are.

the way to get rid of them is to create a different kind of structure, with the same global scope meant to express the will of the people, not of the elites
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?
 Quoting: VenusRose


It must go further. We could try it with abandoning all leaders and the leadership itself, like it is in a brain.

All neurons in a brain are equal, there are no leader-neurons in a brain, the brain works great without leaders.

How can we achive this?

Nobody should try to be a leader, and nobody should accept someone who tries to be a leader.

We can solve problems like the neurons do:
With communication, with discussion.
 Quoting: OneOfFive


yup you went to the essence of it :)

i even registered a domain for this concept you talk here

TERRA BRAIN seemed to me an appropriate name for it :)

great to see someone resonated in that direction even if it wasn't hinted in the op
 Quoting: VenusRose


I have some more thoughts about this I want to share.

There are two modes a neural network can have:
signal-additive and signal-subtractive

Signal-additive means those neurons who are firing together the brightest get the attention. That's the physical source of idealism.
The idea of a person/neuron which looks best from all presented ideas get the most attention. The convinced neurons/persons are firing together.

Signal-subtractive means the neuron who can silence all other neurons get the attention. That's the physical source of rationalism.
It's like the Sherlock Holmes method:
If you remove anything unimportant, this what is remaining must be the truth.

In the end this would mean idealism and rationalism are physical effects.
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?
 Quoting: VenusRose


It must go further. We could try it with abandoning all leaders and the leadership itself, like it is in a brain.

All neurons in a brain are equal, there are no leader-neurons in a brain, the brain works great without leaders.

How can we achive this?

Nobody should try to be a leader, and nobody should accept someone who tries to be a leader.

We can solve problems like the neurons do:
With communication, with discussion.
 Quoting: OneOfFive


yup you went to the essence of it :)

i even registered a domain for this concept you talk here

TERRA BRAIN seemed to me an appropriate name for it :)

great to see someone resonated in that direction even if it wasn't hinted in the op
 Quoting: VenusRose


I have some more thoughts about this I want to share.

There are two modes a neural network can have:
signal-additive and signal-subtractive

Signal-additive means those neurons who are firing together the brightest get the attention. That's the physical source of idealism.
The idea of a person/neuron which looks best from all presented ideas get the most attention. The convinced neurons/persons are firing together.

Signal-subtractive means the neuron who can silence all other neurons get the attention. That's the physical source of rationalism.
It's like the Sherlock Holmes method:
If you remove anything unimportant, this what is remaining must be the truth.

In the end this would mean idealism and rationalism are physical effects.
 Quoting: OneOfFive


that s awesome.
btw are u interested to connect more directly and maybe work more on this idea together?
Questioning369

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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?
 Quoting: VenusRose


It must go further. We could try it with abandoning all leaders and the leadership itself, like it is in a brain.

All neurons in a brain are equal, there are no leader-neurons in a brain, the brain works great without leaders.

How can we achive this?

Nobody should try to be a leader, and nobody should accept someone who tries to be a leader.

We can solve problems like the neurons do:
With communication, with discussion.
 Quoting: OneOfFive


yup you went to the essence of it :)

i even registered a domain for this concept you talk here

TERRA BRAIN seemed to me an appropriate name for it :)

great to see someone resonated in that direction even if it wasn't hinted in the op
 Quoting: VenusRose


I have some more thoughts about this I want to share.

There are two modes a neural network can have:
signal-additive and signal-subtractive

Signal-additive means those neurons who are firing together the brightest get the attention. That's the physical source of idealism.
The idea of a person/neuron which looks best from all presented ideas get the most attention. The convinced neurons/persons are firing together.

Signal-subtractive means the neuron who can silence all other neurons get the attention. That's the physical source of rationalism.
It's like the Sherlock Holmes method:
If you remove anything unimportant, this what is remaining must be the truth.

In the end this would mean idealism and rationalism are physical effects.

 Quoting: OneOfFive


Wouldnt it more so be an indicator that all spirituality has the potential to manifest physically? Idealism and rationalism, much like thought and emotion are in and of themselves not physical in nature to our limited senses. Then they must be spiritual in nature, which I consider to be anything that does not have physical form but can be described.

So I would say idealism and rationalism can manifest as physical effects, not that they are. It would be a pretty major difference because if you simply leave out the spiritual aspect of your equation, you may not end up with the results you seek.

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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


careful there, op.

Toni Lane Casserly had pretty much the same idea, now she's dead.
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Wow, never heard of her. Just watched her ted talk, why on earth would 'they' kill her. She ended her talk with 'The future is border-less and governed digitally.' I mean that sorta sounds like what is about to be forced upon us, does it not?

Which I suppose is not too far off from what I have been saying, at least the governing aspect being done on computers or digitally. Cant say I have ever given consideration to a border-less world, I suppose that could be a organic potential outcome much like I see the possibility for a less materialistic society. One where perhaps the currency is perceived spirituality or wisdom.

Ultimately I can not say a digital government or border-less world in and of themselves are bad things. It really comes down to how it is implemented (forced?), who controls the system (the few or the many) and how corruptible it may be.

Will have to look into her a bit more and this bitgov, thanks for the name drop.
 Quoting: Questioning369


I think they probably saw her as a threat because she had ideas about how to use technology to decentralize the governments.

To put the fate of communities in the hands of the people of those communities.

To make all transactions transparent and traceable aka honest while at the same time protecting people from surveillance.

I don't understand everything she said, but i get the overall gist.

It'd be cool to pick up where she left off and then not get murdered.

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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


careful there, op.

Toni Lane Casserly had pretty much the same idea, now she's dead.
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Wow, never heard of her. Just watched her ted talk, why on earth would 'they' kill her. She ended her talk with 'The future is border-less and governed digitally.' I mean that sorta sounds like what is about to be forced upon us, does it not?

Which I suppose is not too far off from what I have been saying, at least the governing aspect being done on computers or digitally. Cant say I have ever given consideration to a border-less world, I suppose that could be a organic potential outcome much like I see the possibility for a less materialistic society. One where perhaps the currency is perceived spirituality or wisdom.

Ultimately I can not say a digital government or border-less world in and of themselves are bad things. It really comes down to how it is implemented (forced?), who controls the system (the few or the many) and how corruptible it may be.

Will have to look into her a bit more and this bitgov, thanks for the name drop.
 Quoting: Questioning369


I think they probably saw her as a threat because she had ideas about how to use technology to decentralize the governments.

To put the fate of communities in the hands of the people of those communities.

To make all transactions transparent and traceable aka honest while at the same time protecting people from surveillance.

I don't understand everything she said, but i get the overall gist.

It'd be cool to pick up where she left off and then not get murdered.


 Quoting: SallyValentine


It kinda reminds me of the book of Esther.

"They" were planning to use the gallows (technology) to destroy us, she saw a way to use it to destroy them.
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careful there, op.

Toni Lane Casserly had pretty much the same idea, now she's dead.
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Wow, never heard of her. Just watched her ted talk, why on earth would 'they' kill her. She ended her talk with 'The future is border-less and governed digitally.' I mean that sorta sounds like what is about to be forced upon us, does it not?

Which I suppose is not too far off from what I have been saying, at least the governing aspect being done on computers or digitally. Cant say I have ever given consideration to a border-less world, I suppose that could be a organic potential outcome much like I see the possibility for a less materialistic society. One where perhaps the currency is perceived spirituality or wisdom.

Ultimately I can not say a digital government or border-less world in and of themselves are bad things. It really comes down to how it is implemented (forced?), who controls the system (the few or the many) and how corruptible it may be.

Will have to look into her a bit more and this bitgov, thanks for the name drop.
 Quoting: Questioning369


I think they probably saw her as a threat because she had ideas about how to use technology to decentralize the governments.

To put the fate of communities in the hands of the people of those communities.

To make all transactions transparent and traceable aka honest while at the same time protecting people from surveillance.

I don't understand everything she said, but i get the overall gist.

It'd be cool to pick up where she left off and then not get murdered.


 Quoting: SallyValentine


It kinda reminds me of the book of Esther.

"They" were planning to use the gallows (technology) to destroy us, she saw a way to use it to destroy them.
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Thx for the references. Much appreciated :)
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If your enemy is killing themselfs let them keep doing a good job.
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Re: what if the way to go forward is...
to tackle tptb and globalist at global level?

to crowdsource a world constitution for the 3rd millennium by the people of the earth?

make the entire process transparent and immutable on blockchain

make a world wide petition and gather like 100 mln or more signatures worldwide and ask u.n. and states for world-wide referendum to vote for the new Constitution?

and of course, the Constitution would be in the spirit of the American Constitution just for the World we live in now. It would have everything clear to guarantee our freedoms and much more

thoughts?
 Quoting: VenusRose


careful there, op.

Toni Lane Casserly had pretty much the same idea, now she's dead.
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Wow, never heard of her. Just watched her ted talk, why on earth would 'they' kill her. She ended her talk with 'The future is border-less and governed digitally.' I mean that sorta sounds like what is about to be forced upon us, does it not?

Which I suppose is not too far off from what I have been saying, at least the governing aspect being done on computers or digitally. Cant say I have ever given consideration to a border-less world, I suppose that could be a organic potential outcome much like I see the possibility for a less materialistic society. One where perhaps the currency is perceived spirituality or wisdom.

Ultimately I can not say a digital government or border-less world in and of themselves are bad things. It really comes down to how it is implemented (forced?), who controls the system (the few or the many) and how corruptible it may be.

Will have to look into her a bit more and this bitgov, thanks for the name drop.
 Quoting: Questioning369


I think they probably saw her as a threat because she had ideas about how to use technology to decentralize the governments.

To put the fate of communities in the hands of the people of those communities.

To make all transactions transparent and traceable aka honest while at the same time protecting people from surveillance.

I don't understand everything she said, but i get the overall gist.

It'd be cool to pick up where she left off and then not get murdered.


 Quoting: SallyValentine


Mind blown. That young lady was soooo tuned in. Trying to keep up with her thought processes and how quickly and clearly she was able to convey them is nuts. The fellow interviewing her just could not keep up, which i can certainly relate to, lol. Lots to digest, she covered so much to what I have given thought to over the years, like how would you be able to identify individuals on a digital platform for governing - and then she went off the rails covering how you might consider even linking it to anonymous identities that you might also need to utilize, crazy.

I mean this young lady is a rabbit hole in and of herself. Amazing, thank you for bringing her into my awareness. I agree, it would be quite the trick to continue her work and not get snuffed. Think I need to decompress here, lol.
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They called her the Joan of Arc of bitcoin.

She may be the most important crusader of our time, silenced and erased.

This tribute someone wrote gives me the goosebumps...

[link to barabeke.net (secure)]
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They called her the Joan of Arc of bitcoin.

She may be the most important crusader of our time, silenced and erased.

This tribute someone wrote gives me the goosebumps...

[link to barabeke.net (secure)]
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Yes, I read that last night. I was never sold on bitcoin, I always saw it as being attached to the system since it had perceived value and was being traded. Still totally ignorant on block chain and even how the two are related. I have tried to live myself outside of the system as much as possible, no bank acct, no debt, no cell, etc., without totally going off the rails. Digital currency is a complete put off, much like materialism or consumerism is.

Do you have much knowledge in these tech and being familiar w/ Casserly, have you ever given consideration as to how or if this was feasible or even truly un-corruptible? I am interested in the web trust tech as mentioned before but like you said, it appears the info is scrubbed. I really would have loved to have had the opportunity to dig into her ideas and tech as well as get a real education into block chain to see if it is all possible. I cant help but ask, who controls block chain code? Is this open sourced too? If not, shouldnt it be? If it isnt, I would tend to think this isnt the solution. Whoever controls the source code and algorithms is the true or ultimate power.

With the way the adversary works, all of this could simply end up being a trojan horse if the people do not control the code.

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Absolutely not! These people are not to be trusted. We are headed to a really bad future if it’s not stopped immediately
 Quoting: continuity


what people bro?

when u wanna make a business you still have to register it as legal entity.

the true way is always within the bounds of law, even if actual laws are flawed.

why do you think the elites needed hundreds of years to reach current point?
cause they can't just do it, they need to find a way to work their way through many laws that outlaw their true intentions and find a way to pervert it.

all they built is just a sand castle,
provided enough of the real humans actually link together and make their stand inside the legal framework of the world.

thus a referendum is still the way since it's the most basic tool acknowledged in all civilized world as the tool to express the will of the people.

u.n. is just a corrupt organizations as catholic church and all other organizations like them are.

the way to get rid of them is to create a different kind of structure, with the same global scope meant to express the will of the people, not of the elites
 Quoting: VenusRose


You citing law makes almost as much sense as saying we need to pass more laws pretending like we can vote our way out of this

bert-facepalm
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They called her the Joan of Arc of bitcoin.

She may be the most important crusader of our time, silenced and erased.

This tribute someone wrote gives me the goosebumps...

[link to barabeke.net (secure)]
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Yes, I read that last night. I was never sold on bitcoin, I always saw it as being attached to the system since it had perceived value and was being traded. Still totally ignorant on block chain and even how the two are related. I have tried to live myself outside of the system as much as possible, no bank acct, no debt, no cell, etc., without totally going off the rails. Digital currency is a complete put off, much like materialism or consumerism is.

Do you have much knowledge in these tech and being familiar w/ Casserly, have you ever given consideration as to how or if this was feasible or even truly un-corruptible? I am interested in the web trust tech as mentioned before but like you said, it appears the info is scrubbed. I really would have loved to have had the opportunity to dig into her ideas and tech as well as get a real education into block chain to see if it is all possible. I cant help but ask, who controls block chain code? Is this open sourced too? If not, shouldnt it be? If it isnt, I would tend to think this isnt the solution. Whoever controls the source code and algorithms is the true or ultimate power.

With the way the adversary works, all of this could simply end up being a trojan horse if the people do not control the code.
 Quoting: Questioning369


Hi, sorry...I was trying to respond to you and got banned for a few days. for what, I don't know!
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They called her the Joan of Arc of bitcoin.

She may be the most important crusader of our time, silenced and erased.

This tribute someone wrote gives me the goosebumps...

[link to barabeke.net (secure)]
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Yes, I read that last night. I was never sold on bitcoin, I always saw it as being attached to the system since it had perceived value and was being traded. Still totally ignorant on block chain and even how the two are related. I have tried to live myself outside of the system as much as possible, no bank acct, no debt, no cell, etc., without totally going off the rails. Digital currency is a complete put off, much like materialism or consumerism is.

Do you have much knowledge in these tech and being familiar w/ Casserly, have you ever given consideration as to how or if this was feasible or even truly un-corruptible? I am interested in the web trust tech as mentioned before but like you said, it appears the info is scrubbed. I really would have loved to have had the opportunity to dig into her ideas and tech as well as get a real education into block chain to see if it is all possible. I cant help but ask, who controls block chain code? Is this open sourced too? If not, shouldnt it be? If it isnt, I would tend to think this isnt the solution. Whoever controls the source code and algorithms is the true or ultimate power.

With the way the adversary works, all of this could simply end up being a trojan horse if the people do not control the code.
 Quoting: Questioning369


Hi, sorry...I was trying to respond to you and got banned for a few days. for what, I don't know!
 Quoting: SallyValentine


No worries, would love to hear what you have to say.
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