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also you focus too much on the possible difference (which might not be in fact)

i'll look later into your paralel structures idea.

but till the think about it in this way.

let's say parallel structures is the way to gom and is the best idea.

question is who do you bring it about, how do you get humanity onboard to make that system as the new way.

you'll still need a form of what i'm speaking about to legitimize and bring about that new system
 Quoting: VenusRose


Parallel structures is not my idea, it was coined as far as I know by Vaclav Havel but I first came across it reading Hello Stupid by A.L. Kitselman. In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962. He suggested, much better than I ever could, that anywhere a vote might currently be taken, such as a business, social club, etc could be where the idea is implemented.

Personally I see the idea also in the Ubuntu movement which is not so much focused on the governing aspect. However, a governing form of parallel structure such as suggested by Kitselman and Havel may be very synergistic or complimentary of the Ubuntu movement.

The person who introduced the Ubuntu movement to me here on GLP is mia, I have been hoping to talk to him more about Ubuntu, does he know Michael Tellinger personally? Where is the movement now, how is it working, etc. Would it be wise to reach out to them about Havel and Kitselman's parallel structures? Alas, like I said he is mia so pursuing that is in limbo for me.

Is it the solution? I dont know, I sure think it deserves to be discussed in depth considering what we are facing and up against. I do not see it as an immediate fix, however if coupled with a spiritual movement, which could be more effective in the immediate future considering the potential in prayer and mind over matter or field sciences, I think there is real potential.

I also am not saying you idea does not have merit, it does. I am just expressing how difficult it has been discussing a way to give people back their own power much less doing so on a global level.
 Quoting: Questioning369


"In it he suggested a government of the wise run on computers, written in 1962"

is the same with what i was saying lol.

we just need to get those wise across the globe together so they put their brains together and work it out
 Quoting: VenusRose


Its an interesting concept. In his book he sort of takes a shot at the one vote for one man principal we currently have. He points out that with this method, we only ever would get slightly better than average leadership. Which of course really isnt addressing the fact that we really dont know for how long elections such as we have here in the states have been fraudulent.

His suggestion was to answer the question, what is wise in everything? From there, I can only surmise we would be doing this to identify those who are the wisest among us and somehow create a voting system that gives a little more voting power to these individuals. I cant help consider tribal politics, how the shaman and elders would have been spiritual and probably policy leaders while the chief would be the enforcer.

Except with this idea, everyone could have a say directly in any and every issue PLUS there would be a format to follow as to how to attain the full vote, thus potentially creating something that more resembles a true democracy than what we have now while honoring wisdom. I almost see it as a Akashic record sort of thing that would continually evolve. It would require extreme transparency I imagine, which might be a good thing right about now.
 Quoting: Questioning369


yup.

you can fine tune it even more.

because you actually don't want people to know how much they are weighted, cause then you ll have the risk of people buying out or trying to influence those with bigger weight.

so you can actually have the weighting algo inside a black box so you actually have no clue how much weight your vote will have, but in the black box the wise will weight more.

and blockchain will safe guard that black box inside it making sure no one can manipulate the algo
 
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