To worship God causes only separation from Him

John 4

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe
me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither
in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we
know what we worship: for salvation is of the Je-ws.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the
Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship
him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Micah 6:8 which states: “He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?”

The Creator desires a life exemplified by justice, kindness, and humility as we walk along our spiritual path learning from the Creator. Instead of letting people direct our path by telling us what to believe and what to do, we should study the Creator's word and humbly seek the Creator’s direction. Try to implement justice by always doing what is right tempered with loving kindness.

It requires a spiritual journey from selfishness to selflessness. A goal that is worth striving to implement because doing so allows the Creator’s divine light to shine through our love and actions. The biblical word for love is Ahava. It is a verb and not a noun. May you learn how to transform your love from a noun to a verb! Doing so will please the Creator and bring It's light into our reality.

True worship is going within to connect our spirits with the Creator's in order to worship the Creator in spirit and truth. It involves bringing the Creator's love and purpose into the physical reality.

Jesus is God.

It's amazing how very much this bothers you.

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Of course God can come to us as a Man among us.

Of course God can.

God can.

This bothers you...

You object...

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Do u feel better?

It doesn't 'bother me' in the least.

Yet it's ironic that many of those who 'scream' that phrase are also the one's who 'scream' that the Bible is the Word of God.

IF that is truly the case, then a person needs to look at ALL the evidence given - AND the LACK of evidence.

As I stated, Jesus never says the phrase 'I am God', and no Apostles writes the phrase 'Jesus IS God'?

Why is that?

The ONLY scriptural reason is that He is the SON of God, as the Father said 'I am God' in 10 different verses in the Old Testament.

Thread: Jesus and the Apostles - 400 Verses That Reference Either The Father or His SON - Son of God

You don't understand God.

Would He actually leave Heaven and become a MAN - walking around with SINFUL beings?

NOPE. That's why He SENT His SON.

God didn't leave Heaven. He spoke FROM Heaven at the Baptism and the Transfiguration.

God cannot die. Yet Jesus did.

Anyone who thinks God would let Himself be abused and killed by those of His OWN creation is a damn fool.

Nobody understands the Creator. It is beyond our understanding and outside of our reality. Our perceptions are extremely limited with the rules in the current reality. To think we can speak for the Creator is ego and arrogance. Only the Creator can interpret the clues coming from It. The best that we can do is go within and search for truth by connecting to the Creator. As we do, we grow and learn and serve the Creator. The process is eternal.

Instead of arguing scripture and beliefs, put your energy into your path of learning. Share your perspective in case it helps someone else on their path.

However, arguing with another is ego trying to say that each other has the the truth and is right. None have the truth. We all see through a glass darkly.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given
by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 01/24/2022 11:29 PM

It is commendable that you search the scriptures and study to show your self approved.

However, there is God's word and then there is man's interpretation of God's word. It takes inward searching to discover truth and even then man's interpretation of the scriptures changes and evolves over time as he/she deepens their relationship with the Creator of all. Only the Creator can reveal the truth to each of us.

The Creator wants us to love each other and get along. To do that we can express opinions and discuss things without arguing. Picking scripture out of context to prove a point is not a good use of time.

As you study you should ask yourself what are the scriptures?

The scriptures are referenced throughout the Christian New Testament and Christians are encouraged to study the scriptures and test things according to the scriptures. What scriptures were the writers of the New Testament referring to? It could not have been their own letters and writings as they had not yet been compiled and canonized to be added to the Bible to form what we have today as the Christian Bible. The letters were circulated among the Christian churches to provide guidance on doctrine and principles of faith.

If you carefully read the writings of the New Testament, it is clear that the scriptures being referred to were the old testament or Tanach.

The New Testament writers also quoted or alluded to other books that they may have considered as scripture. According to Wikipedia, these other books quoted or alluded to include the following:

1. Book of Enoch (Jude 4,6,13,14-15, 2 Peter 2:4;3:13)

2. Life of Adam and Eve (2 Corinthians 11:14 "Satan as an angel of light", 12:2 "Third Heaven")

3. Assumption of Moses (Jude 9 "Michael… body of Moses")

4. Martyrdom of Isaiah (Hebrews 11:37 "they were sawn in two")

Of these 4 books referenced, the Book of Enoch was the one most likely considered scripture by the early church as it has been found among the Dead Sea Scrolls and was quoted multiple times in both Jude and 2 Peter. It wasn’t canonized by the church and may or may not be scripture. However, the Book of Enoch has a lot of writing related to the messiah as well as information on the angelic realm and is well worth reading for those that have never read it.

The only scripture that qualifies as words from the Creator would be the books of Moses (First five books of the old testament) as they were given directly by the Creator to Moses from Mount Sinai. The rest of the biblical books are considered written by men who were inspired by the Creator.

I love your eloquent manner of speaking.

I'm afraid my own passion causes me to be somewhat dramatic. I'm working on that!

I understand your point, but emphatically disagree with your conclusion here.

Truth can be found everywhere and in everything. The point was to go within and connect with Source Energy on your quest for truth instead of quoting scriptures and arguing. My views have changed and evolved over time as I am still learning. None of us agree on everything as we have different individual perspectives.

It's good to share ideas and views in peace and a spirit of understanding. Thanks!

I would be interested to hear your viewpoint on this and learn in what ways we disagree? It is a complex subject that I may have not articulated my views adequately.

i kinda hate god and not afraid to admit it

Probably needs to have its own thread, because I will be crucified by xtrians but not left til dead, but taken down to be finished in flames at the stake

Fair enough. My conclusion was just for the biblical perspective. The bible identifies the scripture given to Moses by the creator directly as opposed to other scriptures that were written by Creator inspired men.

That is my background and perspective. My knowledge on texts other than the bible is very limited, but the Creator seems to permeate divine messages everywhere which is why we need to go within as we test things and search for truth.

The bottom line is to be open to finding truth in the most unexpected places and people. Even careful observation of nature reveals the Creator's design and truths.

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