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To worship God causes only separation from Him

 
Satya Revelations  (OP)

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I don't worship God, I love Higher Mind Source that I call Mom or Dad or Both, but anything that wants worship or calls itself lord lord, and wants thrones thrones or crowns IS NOT GOODNESS BUT AN IMPOSTER.

Thats one of their main twisting the truth and controlling the main religions that the monsters mismanaging the world do.

Or course Mom/Dad, Goodness, does not want worship, is humble of heart and loves us more than we could ever love here, Parent to our Child, does not put on airs and does not want anyone to degrade themselves in anyway or stand under or take the knee. That is slavery.
 Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn


Exactly.......

In my former days, I was taught to kneel and bow before.. to FEAR God.

But now, as the Creator lives inside of me, how would I kneel before myself? How can I separate myself from that which rules my heart, my Creator?

I can't.
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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You are nothing but a few thoughts strung together and a little memory, without those two things you don't exist.
This self evident truth is disturbing to consider much less
To actually realize but a small price to pay for freedom.
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One star bandit already......

Pretty sure I know who that is..... don't be a coward, say what I posted is deserving of a one star?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


Hey I don't mind telling you that I gave you one star! I'm telling you right now that you better Worship the Lord if you want to make it to heaven and knock off all foolishness and sinning
 Quoting: bro tim


I gave one star for the lame response to my question as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81002799


I went back and read your question of asking what do I think the Lord's prayer is if not worshipping God, and I responded that I see it as a reflection of oneness withe the father, and you judged that to be a lame response. Can you explain why in your opinion my response was deserving of your one star?
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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So what do you do?

Just be your best self? How does one define that without rothers? Or other external valuations??

Just doing good every day? Be kind? Service to others?
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This needs clarity. Otherwise it's not much different than what Crowley said, "Do what though wilt". And that gets dark quick.
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Some sources say, Strive to be more than 50% Service to Others.
That’s a rating system that determines where you go in the afterlife or whether you are ready for graduation to higher planes.
You know how some are all about self, some are more about others, most are somewhere in between.
To serve one’s self is to work and strive for one’s self, to think of oneself and what will profit oneself only.
To serve others is to do good unto others, to help them, to teach them, to give them joy and comfort.
 Quoting: 936432979


I agree with that.

When one learns, understands and lives the two laws as taught by Yahshua, it's easy to do this.

When we have learned to live by the "golden rule" .... that is do onto others (this includes ALL creation) as you would have done onto you.... THEN you are able to hear the Father's voice for instruction.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


And those who are service to self will hear the voice of the Dark side helping/advising them to go even further in that direction.
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You are nothing but a few thoughts strung together and a little memory, without those two things you don't exist.
This self evident truth is disturbing to consider much less
To actually realize but a small price to pay for freedom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77529642


Can you elaborate how anything I've said goes against Yahshua's teachings
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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This needs clarity. Otherwise it's not much different than what Crowley said, "Do what though wilt". And that gets dark quick.
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Some sources say, Strive to be more than 50% Service to Others.
That’s a rating system that determines where you go in the afterlife or whether you are ready for graduation to higher planes.
You know how some are all about self, some are more about others, most are somewhere in between.
To serve one’s self is to work and strive for one’s self, to think of oneself and what will profit oneself only.
To serve others is to do good unto others, to help them, to teach them, to give them joy and comfort.
 Quoting: 936432979


I agree with that.

When one learns, understands and lives the two laws as taught by Yahshua, it's easy to do this.

When we have learned to live by the "golden rule" .... that is do onto others (this includes ALL creation) as you would have done onto you.... THEN you are able to hear the Father's voice for instruction.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


And those who are service to self will hear the voice of the Dark side helping/advising them to go even further in that direction.
 Quoting: 936432979


Yes!
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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You place a distance between you and...
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

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You place a distance between you and...
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 Quoting: XJDUB

Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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You place a distance between you and...
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bump
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 Quoting: Satya Revelations

Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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Re: To worship God causes only separation from Him
Is that what you want? to be separate from God .. . For purposes of this thread, assume that God is the Eternal One, the Creator of all... the one Source.

Who wants to be separate from God? When you worship, you are separating yourself from God, by placing "him" in a place higher than yourself. You place a distance between you and "him."

While this applies to any and all religions, I'll focus on the book I am most familiar with.... and in that book, Yahshua says do not look for the Kingdom outside of yourself, for you can find it only within.

And in that book, does Yahshua ever say to worship either the Father or Himself? No.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


God is an ideal in our heads. If you start to believe that you and god are one, that will cause problems, see the birth of tyrants in the history of democracy.

Only a truly godly person would not worship, because they are not conscious of the mundane dualities. Aside from that, even atheists do worship without even knowing it, they have to.
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Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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Man inherently wants to worship. Better that man is taught to worship the Creator rather than to worship other men, or sun, moon, or stars, or false lower level gods or man-made idols.
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You are nothing but a few thoughts strung together and a little memory, without those two things you don't exist.
This self evident truth is disturbing to consider much less
To actually realize but a small price to pay for freedom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77529642


Can you elaborate how anything I've said goes against Yahshua's teachings
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


I'm pointing to the (natural state) which is what the ego appears in and to.If this is realized freedom is possible.
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You're not supposed to worship God/Jesus Christ.

You're supposed to listen to them, fight the good fight, and pray that one day, you will be with them and your family for eternity.
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You are nothing but a few thoughts strung together and a little memory, without those two things you don't exist.
This self evident truth is disturbing to consider much less
To actually realize but a small price to pay for freedom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77529642


Can you elaborate how anything I've said goes against Yahshua's teachings
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


I'm pointing to the (natural state) which is what the ego appears in and to.If this is realized freedom is possible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81016067


That's why we are to "die to ourselves "...master the self, i.e, ego, and live through the heart
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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You're not supposed to worship God/Jesus Christ.

You're supposed to listen to them, fight the good fight, and pray that one day, you will be with them and your family for eternity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31495649


Yes, but my heart tells me we don't have to "pray" or hope...we can know through the truth of the Father
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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one star bandits are cowards.

same as those who give red based on false accusations.
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In your case, it's fully warranted.
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Re: To worship God causes only separation from Him
Is that what you want? to be separate from God .. . For purposes of this thread, assume that God is the Eternal One, the Creator of all... the one Source.

Who wants to be separate from God? When you worship, you are separating yourself from God, by placing "him" in a place higher than yourself. You place a distance between you and "him."

While this applies to any and all religions, I'll focus on the book I am most familiar with.... and in that book, Yahshua says do not look for the Kingdom outside of yourself, for you can find it only within.

And in that book, does Yahshua ever say to worship either the Father or Himself? No.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

'To worship God causes only separation from Him'?

Says WHO?

John 4

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe
me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither
in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.


22 Ye worship ye know not what: we
know what we worship: for salvation is of the Je-ws.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the
Father seeketh such to worship him.


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship
him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Re: To worship God causes only separation from Him
Is that what you want? to be separate from God .. . For purposes of this thread, assume that God is the Eternal One, the Creator of all... the one Source.

Who wants to be separate from God? When you worship, you are separating yourself from God, by placing "him" in a place higher than yourself. You place a distance between you and "him."

While this applies to any and all religions, I'll focus on the book I am most familiar with.... and in that book, Yahshua says do not look for the Kingdom outside of yourself, for you can find it only within.

And in that book, does Yahshua ever say to worship either the Father or Himself? No.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

'To worship God causes only separation from Him'?

Says WHO?

John 4

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe
me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither
in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.


22 Ye worship ye know not what: we
know what we worship: for salvation is of the Je-ws.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the
Father seeketh such to worship him.


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship
him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

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Then what do you do with Jesus' words that the Kingdom resides within us? And that his prayer for us is to be ONE with the Father, even as he is one with the Father? If you're one with the Father, do you worship yourself?

to do a study of the word worship in the aramaic and yebrew languages, one meaning is: Abad

1. `Abad means to work, serve, serve another by labor, serve as subjects, serve God, labor, do work for another (Qal)
2. To be worked, tilled (of land), to make oneself a servant (Niphal)
3. To compel to labor or work, cause to labor, cause to serve, to cause to
serve as subjects (Hiphil)
4. To be led or enticed to serve (Hophal

I understand this particular meaning to instruct us to live our lives as we were created in HIS image, and as Yahshua taught and demonstrated to us. That is to live in service to others. Expand on the Father's work through our lives of servitude.

If any part of us needs to prostrate ourselves before our Creator, it would be our ego.
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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Speak with God as your most intimate lover, -because He is.
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As an agnostic I don't support any kind of outright, unyielding belief in God absent any compelling evidence let alone full proof, but also am not outright convinced of said alleged Being's nonexistence. However, OP is spot on concerning the concept of worship, which is completely groveling, lowly slavery, total separation. The sane and intelligent alternative to worship is simply admiration, gratitude, love. Need to rise up as a species and get a grip.
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As an agnostic I don't support any kind of outright, unyielding belief in God absent any compelling evidence let alone full proof, but also am not outright convinced of said alleged Being's nonexistence. However, OP is spot on concerning the concept of worship, which is completely groveling, lowly slavery, total separation. The sane and intelligent alternative to worship is simply admiration, gratitude, love. Need to rise up as a species and get a grip.
 Quoting: Plunkenstein


out of curiosity, what would consider to be adequate proof for you?
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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As an agnostic I don't support any kind of outright, unyielding belief in God absent any compelling evidence let alone full proof, but also am not outright convinced of said alleged Being's nonexistence. However, OP is spot on concerning the concept of worship, which is completely groveling, lowly slavery, total separation. The sane and intelligent alternative to worship is simply admiration, gratitude, love. Need to rise up as a species and get a grip.
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Obviously, you have never been in the Holy Presence of ALMIGHTY GOD. In the Divine Presence you are not GOD, you are separate from GOD. You do not grovel in lowly slavery, you are bathed and enveloped in The HOLY SPIRIT of comfort and love, which yes, causes you to worship and adore GOD your Creator.
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To worship an external entity, means to bow down to it.... to basically declare it your master. There is separation.

To recognize the Kingdom within yourself, means to be one with God. To commune with him through your heart... recognizing and reflecting on the beauty of all creation.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


Thats what jesus meant when he said

“The time is coming when they will worship the Father in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH”

The spirit is YOUR HEART.

The real inner YOU

And in TRUTH means “honestly and humbly”

And worship means “to RESPECT AND LOVE”
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Speak with God as your most intimate lover, -because He is.
 Quoting: TGus


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One star bandit already......

Pretty sure I know who that is..... don't be a coward, say what I posted is deserving of a one star?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


Hey I don't mind telling you that I gave you one star! I'm telling you right now that you better Worship the Lord if you want to make it to heaven and knock off all foolishness and sinning
 Quoting: bro tim


I gave one star for the lame response to my question as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81002799


I went back and read your question of asking what do I think the Lord's prayer is if not worshipping God, and I responded that I see it as a reflection of oneness withe the father, and you judged that to be a lame response. Can you explain why in your opinion my response was deserving of your one star?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


Actually, the Our Father is a list of things to keep in mind and practice through the day, so that we stay close to God.
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To worship an external entity, means to bow down to it.... to basically declare it your master. There is separation.

To recognize the Kingdom within yourself, means to be one with God. To commune with him through your heart... recognizing and reflecting on the beauty of all creation.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


Thats what jesus meant when he said

“The time is coming when they will worship the Father in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH”

The spirit is YOUR HEART.

The real inner YOU

And in TRUTH means “honestly and humbly”

And worship means “to RESPECT AND LOVE”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81880824


Very well said !!

hf
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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As an agnostic I don't support any kind of outright, unyielding belief in God absent any compelling evidence let alone full proof, but also am not outright convinced of said alleged Being's nonexistence. However, OP is spot on concerning the concept of worship, which is completely groveling, lowly slavery, total separation. The sane and intelligent alternative to worship is simply admiration, gratitude, love. Need to rise up as a species and get a grip.
 Quoting: Plunkenstein


Obviously, you have never been in the Holy Presence of ALMIGHTY GOD. In the Divine Presence you are not GOD, you are separate from GOD. You do not grovel in lowly slavery, you are bathed and enveloped in The HOLY SPIRIT of comfort and love, which yes, causes you to worship and adore GOD your Creator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46960637


It's not an involuntary action.

Along with comfort and love: familiarity, belonging, depth of presence, wisdom and understanding, to name a few more. All of this helps construct a logical awe as well. So you still have a choice to adore and worship.

Also, worship is not just bowing or showing reverence. It's walking in the footsteps. Not being a lechter, helping and teaching others, developing and using your gifts and talents are worship as well
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