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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, tobacco is a plant and hence one would expect there to be several vitamins in the leaf. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi Very little pops up on a search, but it would seem that tobacco contains the 6 forms of Vitamin B6. "six different vitamin B6 (VB6) forms, pyridoxal (PL), pyridoxamine (PM), pyridoxine (PN), pyridoxal 5′-phosphate (PLP), pyridoxamine 5′-phosphate (PMP), and pyridoxine 5′-phosphate (PNP), of which PLP is the active form." [link to www.sciencedirect.com (secure)] Also of course Tobacco is loaded with Vitamin B-3, or Niacin, aka Nicotinic Acid AKA Nicotine. You can read one of Dr. Abram Hoffer's books to see the benefits of Niacin. (Eliminates the Roulette effect of red blood cells sticking together. Helps manage cholesterol, and he claims he cured his mother's ALZ with it. It also cures Raynaud's syndrome (super cold fingers due to capillaries clamping down). And the delivery route to the body is different than eating the leaf (which is poisonous) and having your stomach acid destroy the organic chemicals. By smoking it, the heat from the flame at first gently warms the tobacco, no doubt evolving off the organic chemicals as a vapor before destroying them in the flame itself. Then, they enter the moist lung tissue which is designed to transfer molecules across its barrier. So it goes right into the bloodstream without digestive destruction. There might be other stuff in tobacco as well, but as was said above, the literature seems to have been sanitized for our protection. :) THanks |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81028774 United States 10/22/2021 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why else would the government want you off them. It’s not like the government loves you Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80359482 Something to do with blood or do cigarettes protect you in some way Here is my argument, see if it makes sense to you. They drill into our kids heads that smoking is extremely dangerous, and we know statistically that smokers die an average of 2 years sooner than non smokers. On average. Many smokers live to be over 100. HOWEVER, though they teach them it is alright to be "gay", they DO NOT teach the children the specific dangerous of that activity, or that 1 in 5 homosexuals carry a deadly virus they can catch, or that the incidence of STD's and hepatitis is extremely high in this group. If they cared about them they would certainly warn them. We warned our kids about f*gs even before there was AIDs. ALSO, when they decided to try to vax the kids, the kids who are unaffected by the virus, it became obvious to me that their intent was to harm them. So what does smoking do that they hate? Ever see a smoker that likes or trusts the government? "Follows the rules"? Me either. By their basic nature they do not. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wonder how many people who smoke are fire signs? Quoting: Jroy I’m a Leo and have smoked since my teens. I consider the smoke as sending my prayers to Heaven. I also think it makes us taste bad to the “feeders” or vampires. It helps me to focus and I use it as an excuse to get away from people to “take a smoke break.” And why are the longest lived people smokers? I saw an article about an indigenous person who died at 109 years who was a lifelong smoker. Something is fishy here… Yep. THank you. I'm a leo-virgo cusp . Great post! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why else would the government want you off them. It’s not like the government loves you Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80359482 Something to do with blood or do cigarettes protect you in some way Here is my argument, see if it makes sense to you. They drill into our kids heads that smoking is extremely dangerous, and we know statistically that smokers die an average of 2 years sooner than non smokers. On average. Many smokers live to be over 100. HOWEVER, though they teach them it is alright to be "gay", they DO NOT teach the children the specific dangerous of that activity, or that 1 in 5 homosexuals carry a deadly virus they can catch, or that the incidence of STD's and hepatitis is extremely high in this group. If they cared about them they would certainly warn them. We warned our kids about f*gs even before there was AIDs. ALSO, when they decided to try to vax the kids, the kids who are unaffected by the virus, it became obvious to me that their intent was to harm them. So what does smoking do that they hate? Ever see a smoker that likes or trusts the government? "Follows the rules"? Me either. By their basic nature they do not. It's true what you say. I remember the children in high school that hung out at the smoking area...My friend Mike was a great artist along with my friend Chris |
Nagabonar666
User ID: 81025515 Indonesia 10/22/2021 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: CoViD-19 Appears to Affect Smokers Less |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81028774 United States 10/22/2021 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TOBACCO has several Alkaloids which may have a strong ability to suppress pro-inflammatory Cytokyine overproduction and also reduces neurological inflammation, among them: Nicotine, Harmala, Anatabine, Cotinene Quoting: Nagabonar666 Thread: CoViD-19 Appears to Affect Smokers Less Tobacco also temporarily raises the IQ substantially. It opens up "rebellious" thought processes that are not present in non smokers. It "gets you high" but not in a way that makes you duller or less conscious. |
Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States 10/22/2021 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then there is so called "Indian Tobacco" which is helpful for control of Asthma. Made from some weed. Google says Lobelia, but I think I remember a different name. I tried to grow it once, but the seeds never sprouted. Yellow flower on big central stalks surrounded by very broad leaves. Not lobelia. Edit: Found it! Mullein [link to www.rxlist.com (secure)] [link to ogden_images.s3.amazonaws.com (secure)] [link to herbalteatherapy.com (secure)] https://twitter.com/_/status/1003039807516229632 Last Edited by JustmeTX on 10/22/2021 11:47 AM Justme |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81028774 United States 10/22/2021 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why else would the government want you off them. It’s not like the government loves you Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80359482 Something to do with blood or do cigarettes protect you in some way Here is my argument, see if it makes sense to you. They drill into our kids heads that smoking is extremely dangerous, and we know statistically that smokers die an average of 2 years sooner than non smokers. On average. Many smokers live to be over 100. HOWEVER, though they teach them it is alright to be "gay", they DO NOT teach the children the specific dangerous of that activity, or that 1 in 5 homosexuals carry a deadly virus they can catch, or that the incidence of STD's and hepatitis is extremely high in this group. If they cared about them they would certainly warn them. We warned our kids about f*gs even before there was AIDs. ALSO, when they decided to try to vax the kids, the kids who are unaffected by the virus, it became obvious to me that their intent was to harm them. So what does smoking do that they hate? Ever see a smoker that likes or trusts the government? "Follows the rules"? Me either. By their basic nature they do not. It's true what you say. I remember the children in high school that hung out at the smoking area...My friend Mike was a great artist along with my friend Chris Smokers and "authority" dont mix well. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TOBACCO has several Alkaloids which may have a strong ability to suppress pro-inflammatory Cytokyine overproduction and also reduces neurological inflammation, among them: Nicotine, Harmala, Anatabine, Cotinene Quoting: Nagabonar666 Thread: CoViD-19 Appears to Affect Smokers Less |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TOBACCO has several Alkaloids which may have a strong ability to suppress pro-inflammatory Cytokyine overproduction and also reduces neurological inflammation, among them: Nicotine, Harmala, Anatabine, Cotinene Quoting: Nagabonar666 Thread: CoViD-19 Appears to Affect Smokers Less Tobacco also temporarily raises the IQ substantially. It opens up "rebellious" thought processes that are not present in non smokers. It "gets you high" but not in a way that makes you duller or less conscious. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81028774 United States 10/22/2021 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then there is so called "Indian Tobacco" which is helpful for control of Asthma. Made from some weed. Google says Lobelia, but I think I remember a different name. I tried to grow it once, but the seeds never sprouted. Yellow flower on a big central stalk surrounded by very broad leaves. Not lobelia. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi https://twitter.com/_/status/1003039807516229632 ANY cigarette helps with asthma. Doctors used to prescribe it for it. My brother had asthma all through childhood and when he started to smoke it just went away. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then there is so called "Indian Tobacco" which is helpful for control of Asthma. Made from some weed. Google says Lobelia, but I think I remember a different name. I tried to grow it once, but the seeds never sprouted. Yellow flower on a big central stalk surrounded by very broad leaves. Not lobelia. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi https://twitter.com/_/status/1003039807516229632 THanks |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why else would the government want you off them. It’s not like the government loves you Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80359482 Something to do with blood or do cigarettes protect you in some way Here is my argument, see if it makes sense to you. They drill into our kids heads that smoking is extremely dangerous, and we know statistically that smokers die an average of 2 years sooner than non smokers. On average. Many smokers live to be over 100. HOWEVER, though they teach them it is alright to be "gay", they DO NOT teach the children the specific dangerous of that activity, or that 1 in 5 homosexuals carry a deadly virus they can catch, or that the incidence of STD's and hepatitis is extremely high in this group. If they cared about them they would certainly warn them. We warned our kids about f*gs even before there was AIDs. ALSO, when they decided to try to vax the kids, the kids who are unaffected by the virus, it became obvious to me that their intent was to harm them. So what does smoking do that they hate? Ever see a smoker that likes or trusts the government? "Follows the rules"? Me either. By their basic nature they do not. It's true what you say. I remember the children in high school that hung out at the smoking area...My friend Mike was a great artist along with my friend Chris Smokers and "authority" dont mix well. You got that right! |
TheEmptyChild
User ID: 78968230 United States 10/22/2021 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the bigger lies, in my opinion, is that cigarettes cause cancer. EVERYONE used to smoke and most of those people made it well into their 80's. Cigarettes became the scapegoats when all the other cancer causing chemicals made their way into our lives. We have been lied to about EVERYTHING and those who still think that the cigarettes are what cause cancer are gullible and don't use logical thinking. How many children and non-smokers have to die before people wake up? Covid is the new cigarette...heart attack?...nope, died of covid. Car accident?...nope, died of covid. It's pretty obvious. If you are going to be truly awake you have to shed ALL of their lies and not just pick and choose. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81019268 Australia 10/22/2021 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We now only really have a couple of hundred strains of tobacco globally (there are still many seeds in old collections). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81019268 There were thousands in the past. Tragically, it seems we have lost all the known potent strains. Pretty much all the hallucinogenic strains have been lost, other than a couple of the milder ones. It was apparently known that different strains gave different hallucinations... all here-say now unfortunately. Many were also known to have different medicinal effects. All the most admired historical strains have been lost, or had the more psychotropic effects bred out of them across the decades. It almost seems purposeful... Keep your good posts coming Cheers! That's probably a good summary of most of the juicy bits that I've come across over the years, off the top of my head. I used to have links to some of it... but wouldn't you know?... They're all broken... I have a couple hundred seeds on ice that I'd like to try growing (super highly illegal... penalties worse than growing pot!... is that odd?... The gov gives a smallish fine, then turns you over to the tobacco companies for IP infringements and the tax office for fraud... good times!)... but they're big plants, and pretty unique looking. If I think of anything else, I'll add it. |
Accidental Stoner
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the bigger lies, in my opinion, is that cigarettes cause cancer. EVERYONE used to smoke and most of those people made it well into their 80's. Cigarettes became the scapegoats when all the other cancer causing chemicals made their way into our lives. Quoting: TheEmptyChild We have been lied to about EVERYTHING and those who still think that the cigarettes are what cause cancer are gullible and don't use logical thinking. How many children and non-smokers have to die before people wake up? Covid is the new cigarette...heart attack?...nope, died of covid. Car accident?...nope, died of covid. It's pretty obvious. If you are going to be truly awake you have to shed ALL of their lies and not just pick and choose. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81028774 United States 10/22/2021 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the real reason they want to keep smokers away from kids is because they dont want them talking to them. I laugh, but I'm serious too. They want children to think we are dangerous fools who endanger their lives, not to be trusted. My four year old cousin cried when he saw me light up a butt, he was sure I would be dead before the day was out. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We now only really have a couple of hundred strains of tobacco globally (there are still many seeds in old collections). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81019268 There were thousands in the past. Tragically, it seems we have lost all the known potent strains. Pretty much all the hallucinogenic strains have been lost, other than a couple of the milder ones. It was apparently known that different strains gave different hallucinations... all here-say now unfortunately. Many were also known to have different medicinal effects. All the most admired historical strains have been lost, or had the more psychotropic effects bred out of them across the decades. It almost seems purposeful... Keep your good posts coming Cheers! That's probably a good summary of most of the juicy bits that I've come across over the years, off the top of my head. I used to have links to some of it... but wouldn't you know?... They're all broken... I have a couple hundred seeds on ice that I'd like to try growing (super highly illegal... penalties worse than growing pot!... is that odd?... The gov gives a smallish fine, then turns you over to the tobacco companies for IP infringements and the tax office for fraud... good times!)... but they're big plants, and pretty unique looking. If I think of anything else, I'll add it. Thanks Mate! Typical that glp doesn't PIN this thread. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81028774 United States 10/22/2021 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the bigger lies, in my opinion, is that cigarettes cause cancer. EVERYONE used to smoke and most of those people made it well into their 80's. Cigarettes became the scapegoats when all the other cancer causing chemicals made their way into our lives. Quoting: TheEmptyChild We have been lied to about EVERYTHING and those who still think that the cigarettes are what cause cancer are gullible and don't use logical thinking. How many children and non-smokers have to die before people wake up? Covid is the new cigarette...heart attack?...nope, died of covid. Car accident?...nope, died of covid. It's pretty obvious. If you are going to be truly awake you have to shed ALL of their lies and not just pick and choose. The huge spike in smokers lung cancer in the USA was caused by the open air nuclear testing of the 50's and 60's. REALLY. |
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VerB
User ID: 80623611 United States 10/22/2021 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will testify that I had full blown Ulcerative Pan Colitis. Extremely bad bleeding. After my first colonoscopy doctor called my wife to make sure everything was in order because I would soon die. Didn't know how long. Only thing that kept me alive was codeine and high steroids. Total misery. Well guess what it all started after I stopped smoking. After some time got tired of the battle and went back to smoking. Guess what full blown remission. Went on with my life raised a daughter and put her thru college debt free. That started in 1990 and still smoking and going strong. Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then. If the more I know, the more I know I don’t know, then do I truly know what I know because I know I don’t? You cannot reach a correct conclusion if you begin with an incorrect assumption |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the real reason they want to keep smokers away from kids is because they dont want them talking to them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81028774 I laugh, but I'm serious too. They want children to think we are dangerous fools who endanger their lives, not to be trusted. My four year old cousin cried when he saw me light up a butt, he was sure I would be dead before the day was out. |
Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States 10/22/2021 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I asked an avid smoker who was in Utah smoking cigarrettes that smelled like cigars why cigarettes and cigars and pipes smelled so different. He said cigarettes were made from tobacco which had been laced with tar to make them more addictive. So he smoked what he was smoking which smelled very good, and had no tar added. Pipe and cigar tobacco may be healthier than cigarettes for this reason. seems like tar is the stuff that really does a number on lung tissue. Justme |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80359482 United States 10/22/2021 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the bigger lies, in my opinion, is that cigarettes cause cancer. EVERYONE used to smoke and most of those people made it well into their 80's. Cigarettes became the scapegoats when all the other cancer causing chemicals made their way into our lives. Quoting: TheEmptyChild We have been lied to about EVERYTHING and those who still think that the cigarettes are what cause cancer are gullible and don't use logical thinking. How many children and non-smokers have to die before people wake up? Covid is the new cigarette...heart attack?...nope, died of covid. Car accident?...nope, died of covid. It's pretty obvious. If you are going to be truly awake you have to shed ALL of their lies and not just pick and choose. The huge spike in smokers lung cancer in the USA was caused by the open air nuclear testing of the 50's and 60's. REALLY. I'd believe that |
Accidental Stoner
User ID: 80037081 Finland 10/22/2021 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think about it...the personal ability to strike instant flame...authorized gov personnel only... Finland a good example...supposed to be a "smoke free" nation by 2040...ant-wood stove and ant-candle etc propaganda going on already, since B.C. times... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81028774 United States 10/22/2021 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You want to see what caused the lung cancer in smokers in the USA? Ope up google, search for "area 51", then look 15 miles south west. See all them craters? They were made by nuclear bombs. That's what they really built area 51 for, to test bombs. All of that dust went into the air, was brought east on the jet stream and weather systems, and was deposited on the tobacco fields of the east coast |